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Post by crapslinger on Feb 26, 2021 17:13:05 GMT
Shamima Begum was a child groomed by radicals. She is British. What has happened today should frighten us all. Why are we all terrorist's, not many "children" would be comfortable seeing severed head in a bin, was she a child when she was getting shagged senseless by her fellow ISIS fighters ? her comments on the Manchester terrorist attacks confirm what sort of human being she really is, heathen savage spunk bin.
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Post by xchpotter on Feb 26, 2021 17:16:45 GMT
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Post by maxplonk on Feb 26, 2021 17:22:06 GMT
That Greta Thunberg kid is too young to make decisions for herself and has been groomed by dark forces’, claim *exactly* the same people who said, ‘that Shamima Begum kid knew exactly what she was doing at the age of 15, and should be treated like an adult’.
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 26, 2021 17:29:02 GMT
That Greta Thunberg kid is too young to make decisions for herself and has been groomed by dark forces’, claim *exactly* the same people who said, ‘that Shamima Begum kid knew exactly what she was doing at the age of 15, and should be treated like an adult’. Are you seriously comparing the actions of Thunberg and Begum one fighting to save the planet one fighting to murder, torture, rape and maim innocent people.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Feb 26, 2021 18:02:38 GMT
Maya Foa, director of Reprieve, a human rights charity, said: “Abandoning British women and children in these camps is a cowardly abdication of responsibility, and out of step with our allies’ efforts to repatriate their nationals.”
What planet are these people on. Those they’re defending wouldn’t think twice about killing and maiming young children. That for me takes away any sympathy towards them. What about the human rights of all those lives that they’ve taken.
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Post by franklin on Feb 26, 2021 18:05:29 GMT
They would if we were still in she could appeal the the European Courts i think. She can appeal to the European Court of Human Rights. That has nothing to do with EU membership. Fair do's do we still take any notice of them anymore.
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 26, 2021 18:13:25 GMT
She can appeal to the European Court of Human Rights. That has nothing to do with EU membership. Fair do's do we still take any notice of them anymore. Not if Priti has anything to do with it thank God we are out of the EU.
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Post by xchpotter on Feb 26, 2021 18:14:51 GMT
Maya Foa, director of Reprieve, a human rights charity, said: “Abandoning British women and children in these camps is a cowardly abdication of responsibility, and out of step with our allies’ efforts to repatriate their nationals.” What planet are these people on. Those they’re defending wouldn’t think twice about killing and maiming young children. That for me takes away any sympathy towards them. What about the human rights of all those lives that they’ve taken. I’m all for these defender types to have their say and right to try and defend terrorists......provided that if anyone has to die or be seriously maimed, they are right at the very front of the queue if it means an innocent member of the public or one of our service men and women are spared first.
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Post by metalhead on Feb 26, 2021 18:15:22 GMT
She was a child by a few months, almost 16. I agree, the fact she is British is concerning. She is an exported product of our country and we have a duty to ensure she isn't a roaming threat to other nations. I don't see how we have any duty to Miss Begum though. She effectively renounced her citizenship. Based on both of those statements the voting age should not be lowered to 16. Either a child or not You are right, it shouldn't be.
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Post by Davef on Feb 26, 2021 18:17:43 GMT
Fair do's do we still take any notice of them anymore. Not if Priti has anything to do with it thank God we are out of the EU. Which part of "nothing to do with EU membership" didn't you understand?
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Post by franklin on Feb 26, 2021 18:19:29 GMT
Not if Priti has anything to do with it thank God we are out of the EU. Which part of "nothing to do with EU membership" didn't you understand? I genuinely thought we were talking of binning the ECHR off.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2021 18:22:38 GMT
Stone her to death, and put it on Pay Per View.
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Post by partickpotter on Feb 26, 2021 18:27:33 GMT
Shamima Begum was a child groomed by radicals. She is British. What has happened today should frighten us all. Your second point is the critical point. She is British and is our responsibility. We were faced with a choice of taking an unpleasant decision or a shameful one. We took the shameful one.
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Post by Davef on Feb 26, 2021 18:29:03 GMT
Which part of "nothing to do with EU membership" didn't you understand? I genuinely thought we were talking of binning the ECHR off. Wasn't there talk of that when May was Home Secretary? Anyway, the Brexit deal ties us into it apparently.
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Post by followyoudown on Feb 26, 2021 18:38:07 GMT
Shamima Begum was a child groomed by radicals. She is British. What has happened today should frighten us all. Your second point is the critical point. She is British and is our responsibility. We were faced with a choice of taking an unpleasant decision or a shameful one. We took the shameful one. I disagree her appeal is still going to be heard, the likely outcome of that is she will be allowed back into the uk, the whole world has spent 12 months working remotely I dont see any disadvantage to her legal case of her speaking to her lawyers in the same way.
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 26, 2021 18:38:26 GMT
Which part of "nothing to do with EU membership" didn't you understand? I genuinely thought we were talking of binning the ECHR off. So was I mate it's a mistake not doing so.
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 26, 2021 18:46:46 GMT
Your second point is the critical point. She is British and is our responsibility. We were faced with a choice of taking an unpleasant decision or a shameful one. We took the shameful one. I disagree her appeal is still going to be heard, the likely outcome of that is she will be allowed back into the uk, the whole world has spent 12 months working remotely I dont see any disadvantage to her legal case of her speaking to her lawyers in the same way. We could always use a dodgy connection so we don't have to listen to her lawyer sorry lizard trying to plea for her return, one lizard has already stated that he believes she is still poses a threat to our security I hope he is still on the case, I find it difficult to understand why we have people some on here pleading for her "Human Rights" too be upheld, what about the rights of those her beloved ISIS fellow fighters butchered, raped, tortured and maimed some people make me ashamed to be called a human, but she was born here blah blah blah so what she is a traitor who turned her back on our country to join a bunch of butchering, heathen cave dwellers we should be able legally to turn our backs on her.
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Post by metalhead on Feb 26, 2021 18:50:01 GMT
I can't read the article due to the pay wall, but I'd like to read the reasoning behind such opinions... As if terrorists would be somehow less frosty by such a wonderful gesture of goodwill? These are terrorists. Lets not pretend they have any kind of a conscience. They bomb busses and the tube... Here you go: Blocking Shamima Begum's return will further terrorist.... So the long and short of their concern is exactly what I'm saying. They fear that other countries will tell us to piss off next time we want to return some lunatic Jihad. It's a tricky one and that's why I still believe she's our shit to clean up. However you can also tell that they're fearful in the language they adopt of genuinely securing a conviction, which is something else I've mentioned in this thread. There was a somewhat scattergun approach "well, we can do her for this, this and this. One of them will stick". In pretty much all criminal trials, the onus is on the prosecution to actually prove beyond a reasonable doubt that a crime has taken place. She'll end up getting a slap on the wrist, a 2 year suspended sentence and witness protection.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Feb 26, 2021 18:56:17 GMT
She'll end up getting a slap on the wrist, a 2 year suspended sentence and witness protection. Celebrity Big Brother & a weekly column in the Guardian is awaiting her, I can see it now... "Why white, male, working class Brexit voters made me join ISIS".
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 26, 2021 18:59:55 GMT
Here you go: Blocking Shamima Begum's return will further terrorist.... So the long and short of their concern is exactly what I'm saying. They fear that other countries will tell us to piss off next time we want to return some lunatic Jihad. It's a tricky one and that's why I still believe she's our shit to clean up. However you can also tell that they're fearful in the language they adopt of genuinely securing a conviction, which is something else I've mentioned in this thread. There was a somewhat scattergun approach "well, we can do her for this, this and this. One of them will stick". In pretty much all criminal trials, the onus is on the prosecution to actually prove beyond a reasonable doubt that a crime has taken place. She'll end up getting a slap on the wrist, a 2 year suspended sentence and witness protection. It would be fitting if she were to suffer a terrible accident whilst shaving her neck she somehow cut her own head off.
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 26, 2021 19:04:20 GMT
She'll end up getting a slap on the wrist, a 2 year suspended sentence and witness protection. Celebrity Big Brother & a weekly column in the Guardian is awaiting her, I can see it now... "Why white, male, working class Brexit voters made me join ISIS". She could stay where she is and host remakes of a Place in the Sun and Home or Abroad.
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Post by felonious on Feb 26, 2021 19:15:32 GMT
Shamima Begum was a child groomed by radicals. She is British. What has happened today should frighten us all. It's a long time ago but did I not read that it was her father who introduced her to these radicals by taking her along to meetings?
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 26, 2021 19:18:01 GMT
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 26, 2021 19:34:19 GMT
Shamima Begum was a child groomed by radicals. She is British. What has happened today should frighten us all. It's a long time ago but did I not read that it was her father who introduced her to these radicals by taking her along to meetings? I think it was her now dead friends Abas's father who got his daughter involved she in turn helped to radicalise the other two jihadi wannabes, maybe it would be an idea if they pulled him in for a few questions.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2021 19:45:05 GMT
the way the BBC is going she'll be headhunted by them for her own chat show
I should possibly re phrase that
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Post by maxplonk on Feb 26, 2021 19:47:25 GMT
That Greta Thunberg kid is too young to make decisions for herself and has been groomed by dark forces’, claim *exactly* the same people who said, ‘that Shamima Begum kid knew exactly what she was doing at the age of 15, and should be treated like an adult’. Are you seriously comparing the actions of Thunberg and Begum one fighting to save the planet one fighting to murder, torture, rape and maim innocent people. No. I'm seriously comparing the attitudes to one teenager who is supposed to have been young enough to be manipulated (while trying to save the planet) with the attitudes to another teenager (of comparable age) who is supposed to have been immune to suggestion and manipulation (for joining a terrorist organisation). Attribution bias, anyone?
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 26, 2021 19:54:38 GMT
Are you seriously comparing the actions of Thunberg and Begum one fighting to save the planet one fighting to murder, torture, rape and maim innocent people. No. I'm seriously comparing the attitudes to one teenager who is supposed to have been young enough to be manipulated (while trying to save the planet) with the attitudes to another teenager (of comparable age) who is supposed to have been immune to suggestion and manipulation (for joining a terrorist organisation). Attribution bias, anyone? Deflection anyone ? why would attitudes be different towards a teenager looking to save the planet and a teenager looking to become an enforcer in a terrorist caliphate it's a tough one isn't it I think I know
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 26, 2021 19:56:58 GMT
the way the BBC is going she'll be headhunted by them for her own chat show I should possibly re phrase that Would she explode on to the screen
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Post by metalhead on Feb 26, 2021 20:20:58 GMT
Are you seriously comparing the actions of Thunberg and Begum one fighting to save the planet one fighting to murder, torture, rape and maim innocent people. No. I'm seriously comparing the attitudes to one teenager who is supposed to have been young enough to be manipulated (while trying to save the planet) with the attitudes to another teenager (of comparable age) who is supposed to have been immune to suggestion and manipulation (for joining a terrorist organisation). Attribution bias, anyone? The problem with your argument is that it isn't really comparing like with like, is it? People are indoctrinated into silly 'cults' all the time. Heck, I remember Earth Day, and all those other cult-like organisations but this was hardly a hippie cult... This was basically your new Al-Qaeda. Are you telling me that they didn't know what they were joining was wrong? They knew that once involved, it would be death for breakfast and it appears to have fully lived up to their expectations.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Feb 26, 2021 20:27:16 GMT
the way the BBC is going she'll be headhunted by them for her own chat show I should possibly re phrase that Just read the story on the BBC news app: BBC News - Shamima Begum cannot return to UK, Supreme Court rules www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56209007What part of it is supportive of her?
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