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Post by iglugluk on Mar 1, 2021 11:44:47 GMT
Paul Lambert lined up apparently.......... That will be because of his impressive research around players in The Bundesliga. No doubt he has some exciting looking flip-charts with Venn Diagrams marked with a rainbow of fluorescent highlighter pens and everything...  |
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Post by wuzza on Mar 1, 2021 11:59:18 GMT
As with most career moves there would be pros and cons.
Is it a higher profile role? - a million per cent.
Does it suit personally? - he and his family have deep roots in Scotland (and living in E’burgh they would be out of the Glasgow ‘goldfish bowl to an extent).
Could he do a good job there ? - Probably yes.
Would he feel comfortable walking out on a job barely started - he doesn’t seem the sort who would be.
Would he have the security offered by our ownership? - no, and there are few other places he would.
Even more crucially - is he likely to be offered it? - maybe not but they have appointed far worse in the past.
All in all I doubt it will happen but there is plenty of scope for concern (if like me you believe he is a good man for the job here).
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Post by lordb on Mar 1, 2021 12:06:19 GMT
As with most career moves there would be pros and cons. Is it a higher profile role? - a million per cent. Does it suit personally? - he and his family have deep roots in Scotland (and living in E’burgh they would be out of the Glasgow ‘goldfish bowl to an extent). Could he do a good job there ? - Probably yes. Would he feel comfortable walking out on a job barely started - he doesn’t seem the sort who would be. Would he have the security offered by our ownership? - no, and there are few other places he would. Even more crucially - is he likely to be offered it? - maybe not but they have appointed far worse in the past. All in all I doubt it will happen but there is plenty of scope for concern (if like you believe he is a good man for the job here). can Stoke City get to where MoN wants to be i.e. Premier League? yes can Celtic: no Obviously Lambert was a top player for Celtic however that's the profile of manager they will be able to attract: someone who cant get a middling Championship job doesn't matter how many supporters Celtic have world wide as long as they are in the SPL they will be second choice for managers & players behind most Championship clubs |
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Mar 1, 2021 12:23:24 GMT
If Lambert won anything up there, it would prove without doubt how shit it is.
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Post by wuzza on Mar 1, 2021 12:33:09 GMT
As with most career moves there would be pros and cons. Is it a higher profile role? - a million per cent. Does it suit personally? - he and his family have deep roots in Scotland (and living in E’burgh they would be out of the Glasgow ‘goldfish bowl to an extent). Could he do a good job there ? - Probably yes. Would he feel comfortable walking out on a job barely started - he doesn’t seem the sort who would be. Would he have the security offered by our ownership? - no, and there are few other places he would. Even more crucially - is he likely to be offered it? - maybe not but they have appointed far worse in the past. All in all I doubt it will happen but there is plenty of scope for concern (if like you believe he is a good man for the job here). can Stoke City get to where MoN wants to be i.e. Premier League? yes can Celtic: no Obviously Lambert was a top player for Celtic however that's the profile of manager they will be able to attract: someone who cant get a middling Championship job doesn't matter how many supporters Celtic have world wide as long as they are in the SPL they will be second choice for managers & players behind most Championship clubs I don’t believe that’s true for the Glasgow clubs. It’s UK/ Ireland wide profile combined with European football and , in some cases, boyhood ambitions. It’s done more for Rodgers and Gerrard in the past 5 years than managing a club yo-yo-ing between the Champ and PL ever could. |
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Post by shakermaker on Mar 1, 2021 12:38:17 GMT
I'd have been content for MON to take the Celtic job if it meant Paul Cook could take over, but with Cook now in the final stages of replacing Lambo at Ipswich I can't think of anyone else I'd want to replace MON.
To be honest, I think a job like Celtic would have been a far better step for MON to take into club management after leaving NI than us. Our predicament requires a more experienced manager who knows the Football League, especially with the handicaps we're presented with in our quality of squad, length of contracts and FFP. At Celtic, with his Irish roots and international pedigree, he would have been welcomed and presented with a challenging but achievable task of success.
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Post by wuzza on Mar 1, 2021 12:40:54 GMT
I'd have been content for MON to take the Celtic job if it meant Paul Cook could take over, but with Cook now in the final stages of replacing Lambo at Ipswich I can't think of anyone else I'd want to replace MON. To be honest, I think a job like Celtic would have been a far better step for MON to take into club management after leaving NI than us. Our predicament requires a more experienced manager who knows the Football League, especially with the handicaps we're presented with in our quality of squad, length of contracts and FFP. At Celtic, with his Irish roots and international pedigree, he would have been welcomed and presented with a challenging but achievable task of success. To an extent we did what you suggest with the appointment of Rowett. Can you imagine the melt down here if they had plumped for Mick McCarthy or the like then 🙂 |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2021 12:47:33 GMT
As with most career moves there would be pros and cons. Is it a higher profile role? - a million per cent. Does it suit personally? - he and his family have deep roots in Scotland (and living in E’burgh they would be out of the Glasgow ‘goldfish bowl to an extent). Could he do a good job there ? - Probably yes. Would he feel comfortable walking out on a job barely started - he doesn’t seem the sort who would be. Would he have the security offered by our ownership? - no, and there are few other places he would. Even more crucially - is he likely to be offered it? - maybe not but they have appointed far worse in the past. All in all I doubt it will happen but there is plenty of scope for concern (if like you believe he is a good man for the job here). can Stoke City get to where MoN wants to be i.e. Premier League? yes can Celtic: no But that can easily be countered by can Celtic play in the Champions League? Yes, at the very least into the preliminary rounds - just not next season can Stoke City play in the Champions League? Highly unlikely, at least in this century. Nonetheless it was in a different century that Celtic last had any role to play in the Champions League/Cup. |
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Post by walton corner on Mar 1, 2021 12:52:39 GMT
Managing Celtic or a rangers is far more attractive than managing anybody outside the top 7/8 in England ....winning trophies European football massive fan basis ......the only thing they suffer from is the finances to challenge the rest of Europe in cups (although gerrard giving it a good go )
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Post by hardcastle on Mar 1, 2021 13:18:45 GMT
can Stoke City get to where MoN wants to be i.e. Premier League? yes can Celtic: no But that can easily be countered by can Celtic play in the Champions League? Yes, at the very least into the preliminary rounds - just not next season can Stoke City play in the Champions League? Highly unlikely, at least in this century. Nonetheless it was in a different century that Celtic last had any role to play in the Champions League/Cup. 'In this century' !!! - you mean 'not for the next 80 years'? Unlikely, l grant you, but if we were talking about Wolves, Leicester, Forest or Southampton, are you saying that not one of them are likely to finish in the top 4/5 of the Premier League in the next 80 years'? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2021 13:27:11 GMT
But that can easily be countered by can Celtic play in the Champions League? Yes, at the very least into the preliminary rounds - just not next season can Stoke City play in the Champions League? Highly unlikely, at least in this century. Nonetheless it was in a different century that Celtic last had any role to play in the Champions League/Cup. 'In this century' !!! - you mean 'not for the next 80 years'? Unlikely, l grant you, but if we were talking about Wolves, Leicester, Forest or Southampton, are you saying that not one of them are likely to finish in the top 4/5 of the Premier League in the next 80 years'? I certainly wouldn't say that about Leicester. They might get there next season! But okay I'll rephrase: not in O'Neill's lifetime, which is what we're talking about. I still think he will stay at Stoke, but not because he fancies himself as the manager to take Stoke into the Champions League. |
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Post by lordb on Mar 1, 2021 15:47:11 GMT
can Stoke City get to where MoN wants to be i.e. Premier League? yes can Celtic: no But that can easily be countered by can Celtic play in the Champions League? Yes, at the very least into the preliminary rounds - just not next season can Stoke City play in the Champions League? Highly unlikely, at least in this century. Nonetheless it was in a different century that Celtic last had any role to play in the Champions League/Cup. Is managing in the Champions League pre qualifying rounds (generally out in August) that attractive? Not Celtic's fault but Champions League has become increasingly shyte for clubs other than those from the top 5 leagues |
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Post by Royal Donut on Mar 1, 2021 16:08:57 GMT
Managing Celtic or a rangers is far more attractive than managing anybody outside the top 7/8 in England ....winning trophies European football massive fan basis ......the only thing they suffer from is the finances to challenge the rest of Europe in cups (although gerrard giving it a good go ) And the pub league they are in, with average attendances in the top flight less than Vale. Maybe the one or two games they play in Europe might sway it for some managers. |
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Post by ChrisKamarasPerm on Mar 1, 2021 16:23:55 GMT
Certainly a move that could suit all parties.
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Post by gingerninja on Mar 1, 2021 16:35:24 GMT
How exactly would it suit Stoke?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2021 16:44:58 GMT
But that can easily be countered by can Celtic play in the Champions League? Yes, at the very least into the preliminary rounds - just not next season can Stoke City play in the Champions League? Highly unlikely, at least in this century. Nonetheless it was in a different century that Celtic last had any role to play in the Champions League/Cup. Is managing in the Champions League pre qualifying rounds (generally out in August) that attractive? Not Celtic's fault but Champions League has become increasingly shyte for clubs other than those from the top 5 leagues I have no idea where champions league football rates on MON's scale. However for players, going to a club that potentially could be playing in the big league, is often what stands between deciding to transfer to a team that's competing at that level and one who's not. Even if the team doesn't qualify to the group stages, the players have a chance to put themselves in the window by playing vs top clubs or presenting themselves on the big scene which could lead to a transfer in the next window or the one thereafter. A fair number of Eastern European players have arrived in this manner, though some never made it any further, because their real standard was nowhere near that which they appeared to have in a couple of European ties. |
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Post by lordb on Mar 1, 2021 17:09:07 GMT
Is managing in the Champions League pre qualifying rounds (generally out in August) that attractive? Not Celtic's fault but Champions League has become increasingly shyte for clubs other than those from the top 5 leagues I have no idea where champions league football rates on MON's scale. However for players, going to a club that potentially could be playing in the big league, is often what stands between deciding to transfer to a team that's competing at that level and one who's not. Even if the team doesn't qualify to the group stages, the players have a chance to put themselves in the window by playing vs top clubs or presenting themselves on the big scene which could lead to a transfer in the next window or the one thereafter. A fair number of Eastern European players have arrived in this manner, though some never made it any further, because their real standard was nowhere near that which they appeared to have in a couple of European ties. only if they make group stages though which i.e. being made harder & harder for clubs from countries outside the top 5 European football is increasingly designed to keep such clubs out of the Champions League |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2021 18:04:21 GMT
I have no idea where champions league football rates on MON's scale. However for players, going to a club that potentially could be playing in the big league, is often what stands between deciding to transfer to a team that's competing at that level and one who's not. Even if the team doesn't qualify to the group stages, the players have a chance to put themselves in the window by playing vs top clubs or presenting themselves on the big scene which could lead to a transfer in the next window or the one thereafter. A fair number of Eastern European players have arrived in this manner, though some never made it any further, because their real standard was nowhere near that which they appeared to have in a couple of European ties. only if they make group stages though which i.e. being made harder & harder for clubs from countries outside the top 5 No you're wrong. Group stages still include minnows and clubs outside top 5. Ajax made into the semis last year and most of that team is now playing in the Premier League. Porto frequently do well and survive on selling players not cheaply. Even Kiev and Shaktar use the same strategy, but the market there are the new Russian countries and clubs. |
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Mar 1, 2021 18:14:10 GMT
Certainly a move that could suit all parties. Not sure, I like that he’ll give youngsters a proper chance to step up to the first team but aren’t keen on his negative, unimaginative, dour football and given our owners track record in appointing managers I would not be confident. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2021 18:18:00 GMT
Would be a good move for MoN
Frightening who scholes and JC would appoint next
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Mar 1, 2021 18:30:24 GMT
Would be a good move for MoN Frightening who scholes and JC would appoint next They should have withdrawn themselves from football decisions years ago by appointing a DoF to steer the long term footballing course for the club. A set of footballing values and principles to be adhered to regardless of choice of head coach/manager. Stop us lurching from one extreme to another every time we change personnel. |
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Post by lordb on Mar 1, 2021 19:01:52 GMT
only if they make group stages though which i.e. being made harder & harder for clubs from countries outside the top 5 No you're wrong. Group stages still include minnows and clubs outside top 5. Ajax made into the semis last year and most of that team is now playing in the Premier League. Porto frequently do well and survive on selling players not cheaply. Even Kiev and Shaktar use the same strategy, but the market there are the new Russian countries and clubs. Celtic or Rangers would have to qualify, which they often fail to do. |
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Post by stokie1947 on Mar 1, 2021 19:06:07 GMT
it won't be MON
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Post by hardcastle on Mar 1, 2021 19:55:24 GMT
I've always thought that Newcastle would present the biggest lure for MON should he build a decent CV here. Massive club, we all know, but one which has now underachieved for all but one of the past sixty (yes, read that again, sixty) seasons and just an hour's commute on the train from Edinburgh.
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Post by Squeekster on Mar 1, 2021 20:03:05 GMT
I've always thought that Newcastle would present the biggest lure for MON should he build a decent CV here. Massive club, we all know, but one which has now underachieved for all but one of the past sixty (yes, read that again, sixty) seasons and just an hour's commute on the train from Edinburgh. I wouldn't say Newcastle are a massive, if your going back that long then Bolton and Blackpool could be labelled that, Newcastle are a well supported club! |
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Post by hardcastle on Mar 1, 2021 20:27:26 GMT
Well. Newcastle is the sixth best supported club in the country (based on the 70 odd seasons since the war) impressively ahead of both Chelsea and Man City.
Bolton and (emphatically) Blackpool are nowhere near.
(We're around 23th beside Boro, Sheff Utd, Derby and The Baggies, if you're interested)
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Post by mickstupp on Mar 1, 2021 20:33:48 GMT
I've always thought that Newcastle would present the biggest lure for MON should he build a decent CV here. Massive club, we all know, but one which has now underachieved for all but one of the past sixty (yes, read that again, sixty) seasons and just an hour's commute on the train from Edinburgh. And, of course, he used to play for them. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2021 7:24:55 GMT
No you're wrong. Group stages still include minnows and clubs outside top 5. Ajax made into the semis last year and most of that team is now playing in the Premier League. Porto frequently do well and survive on selling players not cheaply. Even Kiev and Shaktar use the same strategy, but the market there are the new Russian countries and clubs. Celtic or Rangers would have to qualify, which they often fail to do. The Scottish champions are automatically qualified for the preliminary stage. |
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Post by lordb on Mar 2, 2021 8:08:49 GMT
Celtic or Rangers would have to qualify, which they often fail to do. The Scottish champions are automatically qualified for the preliminary stage. Which is not the group stage I.e. they have to qualify |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2021 8:17:46 GMT
Celtic have won just under half their games in the European Cup /Champions League. not bad for a pub team.
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