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Post by citynickscfc on Feb 26, 2021 23:10:05 GMT
I think some of us Stoke fans are going to have to adjust to the fact that without parachute payments next year we will be a fairly modest sized club with around £20m turnover a year. Even though Celtic get next to nothing from TV their turnover is £50-60m and in a year when they get beyond the knock out stages of the Champions League they can pocket another £30m. If you try and tell a Celtic fan next season we are a bigger club with our 18,000 fans in a second division when they can fill a 60,000 stadium nearly every week be prepared for mirth and laughter EDIT....Ive just checked and Celtic have 17,000 people on the waiting list for season tickets which is staggering as it suggests that for the likes of Motherwell and Hamilton they could draw a 75,000 crowd if the ground was big enough & Our budget will still be higher You mean with FFP???
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Post by PotterLog on Feb 26, 2021 23:46:18 GMT
Celtic and Rangers are the size of Man u and Liverpool, we are no where near them. Just because finance has change through Sky doesn't change a 100 years plus of history . Enough of this bollocks , get a grip Indeed, Celtic are the football club of the catholic world, a football institution, when they are playing the world stops from Brazil to Ireland to the Philippines. Anyone who thinks a few temporary pound notes from the premier league makes up for that knows the cost of everything and the value of nothing. 😂😂 what?? I’ve lived in a country which is 97% Catholic for well over a decade and I’ve literally never seen a Celtic game being shown anywhere, even in the Irish pubs. Even if they wanted to it would be terrible business because nobody really knows who Celtic are, never mind what religion they supposedly represent. I’ve also been to Brazil on numerous occasions - and in fact all over South America - and watched plenty football there and can’t say I’ve ever noticed Celtic vs Raith Rovers on the chalk boards anywhere either. ManU v Spurs - or, indeed, West Brom v Burnley - yes. Admittedly I can’t speak for the Philippines.
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Post by Royal Donut on Feb 27, 2021 0:01:38 GMT
Why on earth would MON want to go to a club that we've beaten in deals for about 4 or 5 players? because they're a far far bigger club IF they are this far bigger club, how come these players didn't go, also if he was there manger how you feel been this big massive club, getting out bid by a championship club that was in the relegation zone when we brought some of these players, we could of been league one yet, these players rather come to stoke. If the answer is money, does it actually matter if have a bigger club, because when we signed these players we had 40 odd league teams above us in England.
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Post by PotterLog on Feb 27, 2021 0:08:31 GMT
To be clear here, Celtic are a far bigger club than Stoke. Anyone who genuinely contests that is just having a laugh.
But over the last 15 years Stoke’s presence in the global footballing consciousness has been way, way greater than Celtic’s, and consequently we can (or could) completely blow them out of the water in terms of attracting players and managers - which is what this thread is about.
It’s possible to hold those two thoughts in one’s head at the same time.
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Post by JoeinOz on Feb 27, 2021 0:22:25 GMT
because they're a far far bigger club IF they are this far bigger club, how come these players didn't go, also if he was there manger how you feel been this big massive club, getting out bid by a championship club that was in the relegation zone when we brought some of these players, we could of been league one yet, these players rather come to stoke. If the answer is money, does it actually matter if have a bigger club, because when we signed these players we had 40 odd league teams above us in England. It doesn’t. Players go where the money is. No just footballers. In the next twelve months Fury might fight Joshua. It’ll be a mega event. One of the biggest boxing 🥊 fights in British history. But where will it happen? The obvious romantic and practical choice is London. BUT there’s every possibility Saudi Arabia or Dubai could host it. They’re prizefighters so go to the highest money.
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Post by str8outtahampton on Feb 27, 2021 2:51:05 GMT
To be clear here, Celtic are a far bigger club than Stoke. Anyone who genuinely contests that is just having a laugh. But over the last 15 years Stoke’s presence in the global footballing consciousness has been way, way greater than Celtic’s, and consequently we can (or could) completely blow them out of the water in terms of attracting players and managers - which is what this thread is about. It’s possible to hold those two thoughts in one’s head at the same time. Two thoughts? Which might appear contradictory? On the Oatcake? Seriously? Have you been on the exotic cigarettes? Is that one rhetorical question too many?
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Feb 27, 2021 12:35:32 GMT
Fair point , He had though won a few trophies that’s O’Neil’s Achilles heel good coach no doubt but he’s never won promotion in this country or run a transfer window and I’m afraid it’s showing The problem he’s had is, because of very poor decisions since relegation, O’Neil has been working with both hands tied behind his back because of the knock on financial restraints. We’ve not really seen what he can do in a transfer window. He’s made some good and some bad signings but don’t all managers. The main thing he has done, by all accounts, is persuade our young talent to stay and sign new long term deals. Which is as good as new signings in the short term and will hopefully ease the financial burden in the long term.
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Post by sportsman on Feb 27, 2021 13:25:46 GMT
Still can't believe this thread is still going and 5 pages long.
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Post by peterthornesboots on Feb 27, 2021 13:48:38 GMT
I can't see Celtic having O'Neill at the top of their wishlist.
Their board are under a lot of pressure from the fans and they need to make an appointment that is a statement of intent more than anything else.
I'm not sure that (at club level) O'Neill is the kind of 'name' or pedigree that either the Celtic board or their fans will want/need.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 27, 2021 13:51:10 GMT
I can't see Celtic having O'Neill at the top of their wishlist. Their board are under a lot of pressure from the fans and they need to make an appointment that is a statement of intent more than anything else. I'm not sure that (at club level) O'Neill is the kind of 'name' or pedigree that either the Celtic board or their fans will want/need. There was talk weeks ago that Rafa Benitez had agreed to be their manager. Guessing it was bullshit?
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Post by lordb on Feb 27, 2021 13:52:43 GMT
I can't see Celtic having O'Neill at the top of their wishlist. Their board are under a lot of pressure from the fans and they need to make an appointment that is a statement of intent more than anything else. I'm not sure that (at club level) O'Neill is the kind of 'name' or pedigree that either the Celtic board or their fans will want/need. There was talk weeks ago that Rafa Benitez had agreed to be their manager. Guessing it was bullshit? Of course it was
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 27, 2021 13:54:20 GMT
There was talk weeks ago that Rafa Benitez had agreed to be their manager. Guessing it was bullshit? Of course it was It’s the sort of job he’d take I reckon? He’s in semi retirement and if he does well he will be adored you there and he seems to like that.
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Post by peterthornesboots on Feb 27, 2021 14:02:54 GMT
I can't see Celtic having O'Neill at the top of their wishlist. Their board are under a lot of pressure from the fans and they need to make an appointment that is a statement of intent more than anything else. I'm not sure that (at club level) O'Neill is the kind of 'name' or pedigree that either the Celtic board or their fans will want/need. There was talk weeks ago that Rafa Benitez had agreed to be their manager. Guessing it was bullshit? There are lots of names floating around. Howe. Benitez. Martinez. Lampard. I would be surprised if any of those four would seriously consider the job if it was offered to them. The rumour is that Benitez is looking for one more role in European football before taking retirement. He wants a 'project' apparently - maybe Celtic fits that(?). I think they will end up going for someone younger and brighter.
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Post by lordb on Feb 27, 2021 14:37:44 GMT
It’s the sort of job he’d take I reckon? He’s in semi retirement and if he does well he will be adored you there and he seems to like that. He also likes being paid well He could get 50 jobs across Europe which would all pay more Granted he likes the old big clubs
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Post by ab61 on Feb 27, 2021 14:45:19 GMT
No Scottish club is bigger than any premier league or championship team. It’s a shit league that no one gives a toss about except Rangers or Celtic.
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Post by PotterLog on Feb 27, 2021 14:58:11 GMT
There was talk weeks ago that Rafa Benitez had agreed to be their manager. Guessing it was bullshit? There are lots of names floating around. Howe. Benitez. Martinez. Lampard. I would be surprised if any of those four would seriously consider the job if it was offered to them. The rumour is that Benitez is looking for one more role in European football before taking retirement. He wants a 'project' apparently - maybe Celtic fits that(?). I think they will end up going for someone younger and brighter. Is Celtic really a project though? Where is there to go with it?
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Post by peterthornesboots on Feb 27, 2021 15:52:28 GMT
There are lots of names floating around. Howe. Benitez. Martinez. Lampard. I would be surprised if any of those four would seriously consider the job if it was offered to them. The rumour is that Benitez is looking for one more role in European football before taking retirement. He wants a 'project' apparently - maybe Celtic fits that(?). I think they will end up going for someone younger and brighter. Is Celtic really a project though? Where is there to go with it? Good question!
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Post by Royal Donut on Feb 27, 2021 16:07:10 GMT
No Scottish club is bigger than any premier league or championship team. It’s a shit league that no one gives a toss about except Rangers or Celtic. It's not that bad, I mean outside the top five they nearly get an average of a massive 7k for the season. In the top division bascailly a league of Port vales.
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Post by RF10 on Feb 27, 2021 16:14:06 GMT
There are lots of names floating around. Howe. Benitez. Martinez. Lampard. I would be surprised if any of those four would seriously consider the job if it was offered to them. The rumour is that Benitez is looking for one more role in European football before taking retirement. He wants a 'project' apparently - maybe Celtic fits that(?). I think they will end up going for someone younger and brighter. Is Celtic really a project though? Where is there to go with it? Doing well in Europe.
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Post by PotterLog on Feb 27, 2021 16:33:48 GMT
Is Celtic really a project though? Where is there to go with it? Doing well in Europe. Yeah I mean that’s about the extent of it isn’t it, a few rounds further in Europe. Guess they could aspire to get to a Europa final maybe? Rafa does like a trophy..
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Post by RF10 on Feb 27, 2021 16:44:23 GMT
Yeah I mean that’s about the extent of it isn’t it, a few rounds further in Europe. Guess they could aspire to get to a Europa final maybe? Rafa does like a trophy.. That would be an incredible achievement.
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Post by cockneypotter2 on Mar 1, 2021 10:20:48 GMT
Paul Lambert lined up apparently..........
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 1, 2021 10:24:16 GMT
Paul Lambert lined up apparently.......... Seriously PLIBT
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Post by mickstupp on Mar 1, 2021 10:30:09 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 1, 2021 10:38:41 GMT
Chris Sutton always sounds like he's trying desperately hard to get a shit out when he speaks.
Him and Savage are the epitome of the shit route football punditry is going.
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Post by banksisgod on Mar 1, 2021 11:02:35 GMT
Much as I love the club, the idea that Stoke is a bigger club than Celtic or Rangers is patently preposterous. With the support that each of them has, they are trapped in a meaningless league with no opportunity to grow. If each had the opportunity to join the Football League, even at the lowest level, they would grab it in a heartbeat. Furthermore, their owners would throw money around to guarantee promotion each year until they reached the Premier League, where each would be a force. But that's not going to happen.
Far more likely is a European Super League at some point in the future. As each of the Glasgow clubs could guarantee 75/80,000 at each home game, unquestionably each would be invited to join.
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Post by bingbang on Mar 1, 2021 11:12:06 GMT
If a clubs size was based on global support and financial clout, Celtic v Stoke would be the equivalent of Mike Tyson fighting the local decent amateur heavyweight. Until you have been to watch either of the big two in Scotland, you cannot appreciate their standing in world football.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 1, 2021 11:13:56 GMT
They're a bigger club but moving to the Scottish league even to one of Rangers or Celtic is a step down imo.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2021 11:15:26 GMT
No Scottish club is bigger than any premier league or championship team. It’s a shit league that no one gives a toss about except Rangers or Celtic. Utter bollocks. Celtic and Rangers are big football clubs, always have been and always will be, regardless of the state of Scottish football. I could list a whole host of clubs that are nowhere near as big as those two, but it would be around 30 teams long so can't be arsed.
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Post by gingerninja on Mar 1, 2021 11:40:37 GMT
MON does not seem like a quitter, he will be for as long as he is wanted by the board. Be took this on as a project and would have known the limitations from the get go re: FFP..Whether the pull of a club where he has his main home we will have to wait and see, but I fully expect him to be in charge here for a good few years..
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