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Post by essexstokey on Mar 8, 2021 23:49:27 GMT
Why do you know more about this than all the scientists and doctors from all around the world? As I said. I don’t believe all that we are being told. Something is amiss with it all I'll agree were not being told everything Were not being told about the amputations that some have had to have Were not being told about long covid in detail Were not being told about the many effects including sticky blood and blood clots And I can guess why because it would scare the population shitless and there would be a breakdown in law and order I also wonder on deaths how many have been smokers and vapours who have damaged lungs
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Post by musik on Mar 9, 2021 0:22:16 GMT
As I said. I don’t believe all that we are being told. Something is amiss with it all I'll agree were not being told everything Were not being told about the amputations that some have had to have Were not being told about long covid in detail Were not being told about the many effects including sticky blood and blood clots And I can guess why because it would scare the population shitless and there would be a breakdown in law and order I also wonder on deaths how many have been smokers and vapours who have damaged lungs I wonder about the studies in the beginning that said smokers will get a milder version of Covid-19 since they smoke. Are they still convinced? I wonder about the Italian researcher who said everyone who gets Covid-19 will die of it, but they just don't know it yet. It can take many years. Is he captured? If that Italian researcher is right, does it mean everyone who is given the vaccine will die as well? I saw a program on tv tonight. They explained the manufacturing process regarding the vaccines. They take and use a part of the Covid-19 virus. In the furure will the only survivors be the ones who didn't get Covid-19 and also didn't have any vaccine? Faye's son? Where is he anyway?
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Post by 4ndr3w on Mar 9, 2021 7:38:00 GMT
As I said. I don’t believe all that we are being told. Something is amiss with it all I'll agree were not being told everything Were not being told about the amputations that some have had to have Were not being told about long covid in detail Were not being told about the many effects including sticky blood and blood clots And I can guess why because it would scare the population shitless and there would be a breakdown in law and order I also wonder on deaths how many have been smokers and vapours who have damaged lungs Exactly. The media won’t show it as as you say Every one would shit themselves Plus it wouldn’t fit into the real reason why these vaccines are being pushed onto us But if your happy enough to believe every word the media says then go ahead and take it. Just let others rhat don’t take it get on with there lives
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Post by felonious on Mar 9, 2021 7:46:19 GMT
I'll agree were not being told everything Were not being told about the amputations that some have had to have Were not being told about long covid in detail Were not being told about the many effects including sticky blood and blood clots And I can guess why because it would scare the population shitless and there would be a breakdown in law and order I also wonder on deaths how many have been smokers and vapours who have damaged lungs Exactly. The media won’t show it as as you say Every one would shit themselves Plus it wouldn’t fit into the real reason why these vaccines are being pushed onto us But if your happy enough to believe every word the media says then go ahead and take it. Just let others rhat don’t take it get on with there lives I hope you don't get Covid. If you do I hope it doesn't progress to long Covid but what I hope more than anything else is you don't pass this disease on to anyone else so stay at home, live your life in isolation and do your best.
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Post by 4ndr3w on Mar 9, 2021 7:51:44 GMT
Exactly. The media won’t show it as as you say Every one would shit themselves Plus it wouldn’t fit into the real reason why these vaccines are being pushed onto us But if your happy enough to believe every word the media says then go ahead and take it. Just let others rhat don’t take it get on with there lives I hope you don't get Covid. If you do I hope it doesn't progress to long Covid but what I hope more than anything else is you don't pass this disease on to anyone else so stay at home, live your life in isolation and do your best. I think I had it last November was bad for a few days As for living my life in isolation I’m alright thanks.
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Post by felonious on Mar 9, 2021 7:56:23 GMT
No and I never mentioned alcoholics or smokers. Quite ridiculous to compare them to this situation. This is a once in a lifetime pandemic that has killed thousands and is destroying the economy. It requires everyone to have the vaccine. It will help prevent it spreading. It’s really not that difficult to understand. Interesting that vaccine deniers would presumably trust the medication to make them better again. I wonder how many would still not have the vaccine if they didn’t have a social media platform upon which to brag about it. You were talking about refusing medical treatment for somebody who's made a life choice. If you don't want to take the Covid vaccine that's a life choice and you shouldn't (and won't) have it held against you if you become ill. It's not ridiculous to compare other illnesses when you're suggesting this. We are a compassionate country and that's why we treat people with no questions asked. There are murderers and paedohiles in prison in this country who will receive medical care if they become ill and you'd be happy to see a doctor or nurse ask a seriously ill patient if they'd been vaccinated before offering them potentially life saving treatment? Isn't this a life choice that could kill you or leave you needed serious medical intervention but also a life choice that could kill people you come into contact with or leave them needing serious medical intervention? Alcoholics( apart from when driving), smokers(thanks to legislation) and obese people are no danger to the population. Unless the uptake is high enough the vaccination is not going to work across the population. There is an element of civic duty here let alone a duty to family and friends.
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Post by felonious on Mar 9, 2021 8:00:18 GMT
I hope you don't get Covid. If you do I hope it doesn't progress to long Covid but what I hope more than anything else is you don't pass this disease on to anyone else so stay at home, live your life in isolation and do your best. I think I had it last November was bad for a few days As for living my life in isolation I’m alright thanks. Let's hope that not too many people have the attitude "I'm alright thanks" we need a functioning economy and the kids out there need an active social life.
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Post by Davef on Mar 9, 2021 8:13:46 GMT
You were talking about refusing medical treatment for somebody who's made a life choice. If you don't want to take the Covid vaccine that's a life choice and you shouldn't (and won't) have it held against you if you become ill. It's not ridiculous to compare other illnesses when you're suggesting this. We are a compassionate country and that's why we treat people with no questions asked. There are murderers and paedohiles in prison in this country who will receive medical care if they become ill and you'd be happy to see a doctor or nurse ask a seriously ill patient if they'd been vaccinated before offering them potentially life saving treatment? Isn't this a life choice that could kill you or leave you needed serious medical intervention but also a life choice that could kill people you come into contact with or leave them needing serious medical intervention? Alcoholics( apart from when driving), smokers(thanks to legislation) and obese people are no danger to the population. Unless the uptake is high enough the vaccination is not going to work across the population. There is an element of civic duty here let alone a duty to family and friends. That's a separate argument from the NHS not treating you if you have refused to be vaccinated.
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Post by essexstokey on Mar 9, 2021 8:14:00 GMT
I'll agree were not being told everything Were not being told about the amputations that some have had to have Were not being told about long covid in detail Were not being told about the many effects including sticky blood and blood clots And I can guess why because it would scare the population shitless and there would be a breakdown in law and order I also wonder on deaths how many have been smokers and vapours who have damaged lungs Exactly. The media won’t show it as as you say Every one would shit themselves Plus it wouldn’t fit into the real reason why these vaccines are being pushed onto us But if your happy enough to believe every word the media says then go ahead and take it. Just let others rhat don’t take it get on with there lives My info didn't come from the media it came from a critical care nurse I was talking to this was around the first lockdown
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Post by 4ndr3w on Mar 9, 2021 8:25:56 GMT
Exactly. The media won’t show it as as you say Every one would shit themselves Plus it wouldn’t fit into the real reason why these vaccines are being pushed onto us But if your happy enough to believe every word the media says then go ahead and take it. Just let others rhat don’t take it get on with there lives My info didn't come from the media it came from a critical care nurse I was talking to this was around the first lockdown My last paragraph wasn’t aimed at you sorry. Was aimed at the rest of the sheep that fall in line
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Post by felonious on Mar 9, 2021 8:52:09 GMT
Isn't this a life choice that could kill you or leave you needed serious medical intervention but also a life choice that could kill people you come into contact with or leave them needing serious medical intervention? Alcoholics( apart from when driving), smokers(thanks to legislation) and obese people are no danger to the population. Unless the uptake is high enough the vaccination is not going to work across the population. There is an element of civic duty here let alone a duty to family and friends. That's a separate argument from the NHS not treating you if you have refused to be vaccinated. Oh I agree with you that less publicly minded sufferers should be treated by the NHS. I'm just pointing out that there is a distinction between alcoholics and smokers who choose to cause their own health problems and people who don't have vaccines whether it be Covid, Flu, Measles and potentially inflict on other members of the public.
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Post by franklin on Mar 9, 2021 9:01:07 GMT
I've just had my confirmation for next Friday for my first does. 6th June for my second.
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Post by essexstokey on Mar 9, 2021 10:32:54 GMT
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Post by Orbs on Mar 9, 2021 10:35:23 GMT
Isn't this a life choice that could kill you or leave you needed serious medical intervention but also a life choice that could kill people you come into contact with or leave them needing serious medical intervention? Alcoholics( apart from when driving), smokers(thanks to legislation) and obese people are no danger to the population. Unless the uptake is high enough the vaccination is not going to work across the population. There is an element of civic duty here let alone a duty to family and friends. That's a separate argument from the NHS not treating you if you have refused to be vaccinated. No it isn’t. The argument comes from non Covid vaxers not being allowed treatment (which I never said BTW - I just asked the question) The argument is about consequences of life choices. Drinkers aren’t impacting on anyone else - non vaxers are putting others at risk. I just don’t understand why somebody wouldn’t simply have the vaccine because ‘they’ve been doing their own research’ - shouldn’t the consequence of not taking the vaccine and therefore protecting others be that you shouldn’t be treated yourself because you refused the vaccine in the first place? I’d be pissed off if someone who hadn’t had the vaccine got an ICU bed in front of someone who had. (People who’ve had it aren’t immune)
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Mar 9, 2021 10:37:15 GMT
Not really been following it, how many folk have died/turned into koalas out of the 20 million who have had it so far?
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Post by felonious on Mar 9, 2021 13:02:39 GMT
Not really been following it, how many folk have died/turned into koalas out of the 20 million who have had it so far? it's too early to say unless 4ndr3w's study hits the Lancet
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Post by Davef on Mar 9, 2021 13:23:51 GMT
That's a separate argument from the NHS not treating you if you have refused to be vaccinated. No it isn’t. The argument comes from non Covid vaxers not being allowed treatment (which I never said BTW - I just asked the question) The argument is about consequences of life choices. Drinkers aren’t impacting on anyone else - non vaxers are putting others at risk. I just don’t understand why somebody wouldn’t simply have the vaccine because ‘they’ve been doing their own research’ - shouldn’t the consequence of not taking the vaccine and therefore protecting others be that you shouldn’t be treated yourself because you refused the vaccine in the first place? I’d be pissed off if someone who hadn’t had the vaccine got an ICU bed in front of someone who had. (People who’ve had it aren’t immune) People who've had it aren't immune? Are you being serious here?
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Post by followyoudown on Mar 9, 2021 13:36:10 GMT
No it isn’t. The argument comes from non Covid vaxers not being allowed treatment (which I never said BTW - I just asked the question) The argument is about consequences of life choices. Drinkers aren’t impacting on anyone else - non vaxers are putting others at risk. I just don’t understand why somebody wouldn’t simply have the vaccine because ‘they’ve been doing their own research’ - shouldn’t the consequence of not taking the vaccine and therefore protecting others be that you shouldn’t be treated yourself because you refused the vaccine in the first place? I’d be pissed off if someone who hadn’t had the vaccine got an ICU bed in front of someone who had. (People who’ve had it aren’t immune) People who've had it aren't immune? Are you being serious here? Isn't this the claim on the brazil variant that people catch it again, eventually like other respiratory illnesses and the flu I am sure vaccine or having illness previously immunity will not be 100% but it should protect the vast majority of people from anything approaching a seious case of it.
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Post by Northy on Mar 9, 2021 13:55:55 GMT
I hope you don't get Covid. If you do I hope it doesn't progress to long Covid but what I hope more than anything else is you don't pass this disease on to anyone else so stay at home, live your life in isolation and do your best. I think I had it last November was bad for a few days As for living my life in isolation I’m alright thanks. did you get tested for it then ?
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Post by Northy on Mar 9, 2021 13:57:26 GMT
Got my two booked in, at the Astra Zenica site in Alderley edge, I wonder which one I'll get
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Post by musik on Mar 9, 2021 14:43:21 GMT
People who've had it aren't immune? Are you being serious here? Isn't this the claim on the brazil variant that people catch it again, eventually like other respiratory illnesses and the flu I am sure vaccine or having illness previously immunity will not be 100% but it should protect the vast majority of people from anything approaching a seious case of it. Here they've said you can theoretically catch Covid-19 3,4 times a year, since the immunity only lasts 3 months, tops. I don't know what to think about it. But therefore, they won't consider giving those people only 1 dose.
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Post by musik on Mar 9, 2021 14:44:27 GMT
I think I had it last November was bad for a few days As for living my life in isolation I’m alright thanks. did you get tested for it then ? To undergo such a test now is pretty pointless, isn't it?
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Post by Northy on Mar 9, 2021 14:45:41 GMT
did you get tested for it then ? To undergo such a test now is pretty pointless, isn't it? That's why I said 'then'
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Post by questionable on Mar 9, 2021 14:49:27 GMT
If you’ve had your first jab go onto the NHs web site under Covid vaccinations and you can book your second injection, I was under the impression you were contacted. just booked mine.
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Post by followyoudown on Mar 9, 2021 14:54:55 GMT
Isn't this the claim on the brazil variant that people catch it again, eventually like other respiratory illnesses and the flu I am sure vaccine or having illness previously immunity will not be 100% but it should protect the vast majority of people from anything approaching a seious case of it. Here they've said you can theoretically catch Covid-19 3,4 times a year, since the immunity only lasts 3 months, tops. I don't know what to think about it. But therefore, they won't consider giving those people only 1 dose. Not heard that the uk is giving people 2 doses but because the first dose gives such a high level of protection they pushed the gap to give everyone 80% protection or whatever rather 30% having 100% protection or whatever it is, a few countries are following the uk plan now.
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Post by musik on Mar 9, 2021 14:56:17 GMT
To undergo such a test now is pretty pointless, isn't it? That's why I said 'then' Exactly. I know.👍 Everything I smelled in February 2020 smelled like electronic used equipment, bread for instance, even the rain. The same last month, February 2021. I have never experienced such things before. But I was on antibiotics both times. Should I do a Antibody test? (160 SEK, £13).
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Post by musik on Mar 9, 2021 15:04:29 GMT
Here they've said you can theoretically catch Covid-19 3,4 times a year, since the immunity only lasts 3 months, tops. I don't know what to think about it. But therefore, they won't consider giving those people only 1 dose. Not heard that the uk is giving people 2 doses --- If I understood correctly, in the UK you'll only get 1 dose IF you already have had Covid-19? An external old female expert here by the name of Agnes Wold said 1 dose is most suitable for those people, since the immune system will be overactive otherwise causing too much of side effects. Anders Tegnell and the FHM authority disagree. They won't change the plan since it would lead to too much administration costs. I plan to get an antibody test done first. Only 1 clinic to choose from nearby basically.🤪
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Post by Orbs on Mar 9, 2021 15:05:14 GMT
No it isn’t. The argument comes from non Covid vaxers not being allowed treatment (which I never said BTW - I just asked the question) The argument is about consequences of life choices. Drinkers aren’t impacting on anyone else - non vaxers are putting others at risk. I just don’t understand why somebody wouldn’t simply have the vaccine because ‘they’ve been doing their own research’ - shouldn’t the consequence of not taking the vaccine and therefore protecting others be that you shouldn’t be treated yourself because you refused the vaccine in the first place? I’d be pissed off if someone who hadn’t had the vaccine got an ICU bed in front of someone who had. (People who’ve had it aren’t immune)People who've had it aren't immune? Are you being serious here? People who have had the vaccine aren't immune. Did you really think that the vaccine made you 100% immune. Gosh. That's worrying. So, you'd be happy for someone who hadn't had the vaccine to be treated in front of one of your relatives who had received the vaccine?
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Post by Orbs on Mar 9, 2021 15:06:43 GMT
If you’ve had your first jab go onto the NHs web site under Covid vaccinations and you can book your second injection, I was under the impression you were contacted. just booked mine. When I booked my first jab the second appointment was booked automatically for me by the system. 1 March to 18 May.
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Post by 4ndr3w on Mar 9, 2021 15:08:01 GMT
I think I had it last November was bad for a few days As for living my life in isolation I’m alright thanks. did you get tested for it then ? No I don’t need a test to tell me if I’m feeling unwell or not
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