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Post by mrcoke on Feb 16, 2021 23:26:17 GMT
I think we can all see his deficiencies and his raw ability in terms of effort and speed.
What I like is, he gets into the game a lot. He is more available to receive the ball than most and unlike some of our senior pros, he does not disappear for long periods of the match.
Just hope he improves his ball skills and plays more intelligently when he gets the ball as he gets older.
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Post by viewfromthecrowsnest on Feb 17, 2021 0:17:01 GMT
I believe we saw Brown in in best position today.
He struggles as a central player, but out on the wing he runs the channels, finds space more often than not (his control does let him down half the time) He always runs for the byline to get balls across or the cut-back from the goal-line. He excelled v Spurs in this role - quick balls across the box are his strength.
He also works very hard off the ball. If he's on the right wing with a pairing of two central strikers in front of him AND his first touch is good, he will be very useful.
Brown and Cousins are pretty unsung but put them in their best positions and they’ve given decent milage.
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Post by kustokie on Feb 17, 2021 0:24:59 GMT
Kev Radio Stoke “Brown was woeful “🤔 What he said was totally out of order. Fortunately subsequent callers and others on social media put him straight. Jacob Browm had an excellent second half and really caused their left back problems. His best performance so far, for me. Pejic also called McClean out for not doing his part on the left wing. By drifting inside he allowed their back three to stay more compact and neutralize Fletcher and Powell. We would have had a lot more space in the middle if McClean had stayed tight to the by-line. Hopefully he’ll get the message for Saturday.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 17, 2021 0:32:13 GMT
Is using Pejic to back your argument up ok?
The commentary tonight sounded like two blokes who had escaped from a care home and somehow got into the ground and found the on button.
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Post by staffordstokiemad1 on Feb 17, 2021 0:51:02 GMT
I just don’t get it, yeah he works hard, but his first touch is awful, his second is nonexistent, he can’t take on a man, and he can’t pass. The amount of time it was screaming out for a simple pass and he failed to make it. I honestly hate getting at our own players, but he should be know where near the starting 11.
Yes we having been crying out for a striker, but the winger held us back in the first half.
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Post by tejstokie on Feb 17, 2021 1:01:44 GMT
He kinda reminds me of the pacey Joshua King we had tear us up a while back in the PL who was raw but a nuisance to the backline. I think he can get better in on the wing and make it his own. Question is, does he apply himself and stick to it?
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Post by pottermouth on Feb 17, 2021 1:24:52 GMT
Mom especially his second half display ....he comes in for some stick rightly or wrongly but he was excellent He’s a terrible footballer with no skill. So easily tackled and can’t pass. I must have watched a different game!
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Post by potterpaul on Feb 17, 2021 2:05:26 GMT
I've never given up all hope on Jacob but I said a while ago he was best used off the bench at this stage of his career, I still believe this to be true. He could be a real pain in the arse coming on around the 70 minutes mark.
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Post by leegthestokie90 on Feb 17, 2021 3:21:33 GMT
Still think he will come good next season judge him then and when the fans are back hopefully
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Post by hyaduck on Feb 17, 2021 3:23:09 GMT
I believe we saw Brown in in best position today. He struggles as a central player, but out on the wing he runs the channels, finds space more often than not (his control does let him down half the time) He always runs for the byline to get balls across or the cut-back from the goal-line. He excelled v Spurs in this role - quick balls across the box are his strength. He also works very hard off the ball. If he's on the right wing with a pairing of two central strikers in front of him AND his first touch is good, he will be very useful. Brown and Cousins are pretty unsung but put them in their best positions and they’ve given decent milage. Excelled...you’re bloody kidding aren’t yer, he crossed once against Spurs for the goal, hardly excelled
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Post by george2again on Feb 17, 2021 6:49:06 GMT
Properly coached he could be a gem and if played in the right position consistently could prosper Do you ever watch a footballer and have that gut feeling....never going to be any good, just not got it. Brown is one of those. Truly awful and will never get better with time
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Post by greenhoff on Feb 17, 2021 6:51:44 GMT
Properly coached he could be a gem and if played in the right position consistently could prosper Do you ever watch a footballer and have that gut feeling....never going to be any good, just not got it. Brown is one of those. Truly awful and will never get better with time His touch and technique are dreadful.
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Post by george2again on Feb 17, 2021 6:54:59 GMT
I think we can all see his deficiencies and his raw ability in terms of effort and speed. What I like is, he gets into the game a lot. He is more available to receive the ball than most and unlike some of our senior pros, he does not disappear for long periods of the match. Just hope he improves his ball skills and plays more intelligently when he gets the ball as he gets older. Sorry, if it’s not there now it never will be. This coaching him to be better bollacks never materialises and rarely happens. He’s a talentless twat to be fair.
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Post by Pirate on Feb 17, 2021 8:07:12 GMT
As bad technically as you will see at this level, i am actualy shocked at just how bad his control is. Puts a shift in but how he has made it this far as a forward i have no idea, makes Jimmy look classy. Why MON felt the need to blow the majority of his transfer budget on him only he knows
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Post by LGH87 on Feb 17, 2021 8:15:41 GMT
Is using Pejic to back your argument up ok? The commentary tonight sounded like two blokes who had escaped from a care home and somehow got into the ground and found the on button. My highlight was Nige calling Fox, Michael Fox Last night proved again that he should NEVER be used centrally unless in extreme circumstances. His touch is poor and he possibly missed out on a couple of chances to put himself in on goal but what did impress me last night were his cutbacks and balls in to the box, he often either found a man who then didn't finish (Allen & Fletcher), or put the ball in dangerous areas which McClean on a couple of chances failed to make the correct run being a yard off the pace or nobody managed to get on the end. Hopefully last night was a confidence boost for the lad and we start to see more from him, it helps with Powell playing centrally because he will find him time and time again with that through ball inside the full back.
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Post by jeycov on Feb 17, 2021 8:19:15 GMT
Still think he will come good next season judge him then and when the fans are back hopefully He was slightly more effective on the wing and was marked by a very competent and experienced defender At the moment we are lacking a more effective forward, he’s 22, this is a move up from league one, I agree we’ll have a better idea next season
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Post by LGH87 on Feb 17, 2021 8:20:23 GMT
Still think he will come good next season judge him then and when the fans are back hopefully He was slightly more effective on the wing and was marked by a very competent and experienced defender At the moment we are lacking a more effective forward, he’s 22, this is a move up from league one, I agree we’ll have a better idea next season He played in the championship with Barnsley last season.
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Post by lordb on Feb 17, 2021 8:21:01 GMT
Interesting how people see different things Some thought he was diabolical last night others thought he played well
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Post by jeycov on Feb 17, 2021 8:24:31 GMT
He was slightly more effective on the wing and was marked by a very competent and experienced defender At the moment we are lacking a more effective forward, he’s 22, this is a move up from league one, I agree we’ll have a better idea next season He played in the championship with Barnsley last season. Ok, apologies, I’m probably being too lenient with my judgment I still think he’s become a bit of a scapegoat when Vokes isn’t playing. Plenty of players who should be converting chances does not help
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Post by jarhead on Feb 17, 2021 8:29:36 GMT
Really? He kept getting played into good positions and then fucking them up. Couldn’t trap a bag of cement! You can’t coach that, you either have it or you don’t sadly he doesn’t BUT his effort to the cause has to be applauded but technically he’s abysmal and always will be.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Feb 17, 2021 8:32:39 GMT
I can understand some of the criticism of him but I can't understand those who say he can't cross and he can't pass. When he plays on the wide right (and this is important) he rarely fails to create chances for others with accurate and well paced crosses. And in the second half, when we were camped for long periods just outside the penalty, area moving the ball around in short passing triangles, when a move broke down, as often as not it wasn't his short pass which failed.
As others have said he does need to learn how to hang onto the ball better and his first touch needs work but there are plenty of positives to work on. Most player marks from both fans and the media have him in the top two or three Stoke players last night - and that is because he was one of our better players. Souttar was head and shoulders above everyone but I'm struggling to think of many other players who were better than Brown.
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Post by skemstokie on Feb 17, 2021 9:38:37 GMT
I can understand some of the criticism of him but I can't understand those who say he can't cross and he can't pass. When he plays on the wide right (and this is important) he rarely fails to create chances for others with accurate and well paced crosses. And in the second half, when we were camped for long periods just outside the penalty, area moving the ball around in short passing triangles, when a move broke down, as often as not it wasn't his short pass which failed. As others have said he does need to learn how to hang onto the ball better and his first touch needs work but there are plenty of positives to work on. Most player marks from both fans and the media have him in the top two or three Stoke players last night - and that is because he was one of our better players. Souttar was head and shoulders above everyone but I'm struggling to think of many other players who were better than Brown. I agree,as long as he does not come on here and read some of the comments from some of the thickle (spelling intended) fans and keeps working on getting first touch better.he certainly does not hide and works his socks off, good player in there just not quite the finished article yet.
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Post by greenhoff on Feb 17, 2021 10:05:21 GMT
Great without the ball sums him up perfectly
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Post by mickstupp on Feb 17, 2021 10:09:46 GMT
Really? He kept getting played into good positions and then fucking them up. Couldn’t trap a bag of cement! You can’t coach that, you either have it or you don’t sadly he doesn’t BUT his effort to the cause has to be applauded but technically he’s abysmal and always will be. You can coach that, actually. He played well last night. Not brilliant, nothing jaw dropping but a good all round display up against a decent left back who was their best player on the night.
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Feb 17, 2021 10:19:51 GMT
You shouldn't be paying £2m for a player and then have to teach him how to control a ball. He's as bad as I've seen for a while in terms of ability.
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Post by chiswickpotter on Feb 17, 2021 10:23:48 GMT
Is using Pejic to back your argument up ok? The commentary tonight sounded like two blokes who had escaped from a care home and somehow got into the ground and found the on button. Pejic is a straight talking pundit who has played and coached at a high level. It is definitely correct to take his views in to account while recognising the limitations of his co-commentator. Pejic added significantly to the pictures in my view highlighting shape and positioning issues very clearly
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Post by mickstupp on Feb 17, 2021 10:27:52 GMT
You shouldn't be paying £2m for a player and then have to teach him how to control a ball. He's as bad as I've seen for a while in terms of ability. Is £2million a lot for a player nowadays? We paid 9 times that for Kevin Wimmer. He’s a young lad six months into his Stoke career. I think we need to give him a bit more time before we judge. At no stage has he had a proper run in his best position (wide right) and he’s always given his all for us. Nobody is saying he’s brilliant, just that he’s not as bad as some are making out.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 17, 2021 10:39:04 GMT
I think we can all see his deficiencies and his raw ability in terms of effort and speed. What I like is, he gets into the game a lot. He is more available to receive the ball than most and unlike some of our senior pros, he does not disappear for long periods of the match. Just hope he improves his ball skills and plays more intelligently when he gets the ball as he gets older. I liked O'Neill's post match comments re Brown and thought they were spot on. The player and coaching staff are aware of his deficiencies and are working to improve on them. There is much more to come from Jacob Brown. He's raw and will have to be something of a "late bloomer" but as recently as 2018, he was playing for Chesterfield. A bit of confidence, ironing out the rough edges and he's got some raw ingredients that give hope for the future. It is fair enough to recognise his current shortcomings but it's too early to write him off completely in my opinion.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 17, 2021 10:47:26 GMT
You shouldn't be paying £2m for a player and then have to teach him how to control a ball. He's as bad as I've seen for a while in terms of ability. The touch that messed up the good chance in the first half was harder than any shot he's had for us.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 17, 2021 10:48:23 GMT
Is using Pejic to back your argument up ok? The commentary tonight sounded like two blokes who had escaped from a care home and somehow got into the ground and found the on button. Pejic is a straight talking pundit who has played and coached at a high level. It is definitely correct to take his views in to account while recognising the limitations of his co-commentator. Pejic added significantly to the pictures in my view highlighting shape and positioning issues very clearly Were you listening to it just on the radio?
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