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Post by jeycov on Feb 14, 2021 8:38:45 GMT
Not agreeing or disagreeing mate, I'm just saying how it is for me and giving the op my take on things.If he chooses to stop watching that's his personal choice and absolutely nothing to do with me.The fact he started the thread suggests he wants a conversation on the subject. But honestly. I wish I could stop watching. But I can't... Explain? You’ve been watching Stoke for a long time ???
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Post by citynickscfc on Feb 14, 2021 8:39:51 GMT
But honestly. I wish I could stop watching. But I can't... Explain? You’ve been watching Stoke for a long time??? Is that an explanation? If so it doesn't explain much. But if it's a question the answer is yes? (Followed by another question)
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Post by questionable on Feb 14, 2021 9:14:47 GMT
Covid for years to come will decimate football financially, I’d dread sitting next to someone coughing and spluttering next to me even in any other enclosed environment it’s how it’s got to people mentally.
So coming on to watching Stoke currently, not a chance with this crop of shit from top to bottom.
This club is a joke with the entrenched owners attitudes which will not change, I really find it insulting towards the fans.
My hatred towards Scholes is well known but Junior isn’t far behind and it boils my blood that they’re making a living out of this club, it’s been rotten for years as were the bread baps for the catering, truly, truly shocking.
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Post by pottersrule on Feb 14, 2021 9:20:18 GMT
Not agreeing or disagreeing mate, I'm just saying how it is for me and giving the op my take on things.If he chooses to stop watching that's his peErsonal choice and absolutely nothing to do with me.The fact he started the thread suggests he wants a conversation on the subject. But honestly. I wish I could stop watching. But I can't... Explain? Passion mate!
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Post by fca47 on Feb 14, 2021 9:35:17 GMT
I thought we were reasonable yesterday, we missed a good chance early on, they then scored a good goal, we got back into itm until, idiotic defending put the game out of reach. The players have to take responsibility, brain dead defending and the balls into the box when we are in good positions, I don't think I have seen a team that can manage to make a promising situation into a doddle for their defence.
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Post by jeycov on Feb 14, 2021 9:55:24 GMT
You’ve been watching Stoke for a long time??? Is that an explanation? If so it doesn't explain much. But if it's a question the answer is yes? (Followed by another question) Fans (young and old) who have mainly experienced watching Stoke in the Premiership possibly have less patience to endure these very frustrating times. We have produced equally poor performances in thePremiership of course, but as underdogs, results against the top teams were in the mix In the Championship, We are not underdogs in the eyes of the fans and media, we don’t seem to have found a way of being clinical as favourites There are no season tickets, fans can opt in and out of watching games, whether they want to feel deflated after most games- it’s their choice
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Post by boskampsflaps on Feb 14, 2021 10:23:53 GMT
He does, he just refuses to do it. What? Why? Don't ask me, I don't know why
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Post by citynickscfc on Feb 14, 2021 10:53:45 GMT
Is that an explanation? If so it doesn't explain much. But if it's a question the answer is yes? (Followed by another question) Fans (young and old) who have mainly experienced watching Stoke in the Premiership possibly have less patience to endure these very frustrating times. We have produced equally poor performances in thePremiership of course, but as underdogs, results against the top teams were in the mix In the Championship, We are not underdogs in the eyes of the fans and media, we don’t seem to have found a way of being clinical as favourites There are no season tickets, fans can opt in and out of watching games, whether they want to feel deflated after most games- it’s their choice I believe all fans should have little patience with regards to being the underdog, it's because we were in the premier League and because we have been ran the way that we have, the way we are under appreciated as fans and have been for far too long, the way that Scholes has overseen this nightmare and continues to do so without empathy or understanding for any fans - a clear example is that absolutely ludicrous ideology of removing the 'win bonus' from all players upon relegation! Furthermore, keeping a few favourites on massive contracts including the captain!!!??? Surely the captain should be an example and not an exception? It's almost a surprise that we are in this shit, yet it has been mostly aucestrated by the CEO who is certainly not a footballing man! The owners don't have much footballing knowledge so who is our footballing brain behind this operation? Surely we need an expert? Rowett- fairly raw and unproven, NJ risky unproven, MoN unproven - and so who facilitates our target signings etc? I mean I hate to say it but Vale's board have just signed a DoF, I believe most clubs have experts in all positions regarding footballing matters not just one idiot (CEO). I believe we have a lot of reasons to be impatient.
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Post by jeycov on Feb 14, 2021 10:58:14 GMT
I agree, but I’ll still be watching on Tuesday
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Post by FullerMagic on Feb 14, 2021 11:28:47 GMT
Can't really deny it's very turgid stuff, and has been for the bulk of the season. Just looking at the expected goals stats, it looks like we're a bit fortunate to even have got the goals we have got, and we're down amongst the dead men in terms of creating chances. But, by the same token, we're very unlucky to have conceded as many as we have, given the chances we've given up. Interesting outliers appear to be Bristol City, who are poor at both ends - and Swansea who make up for hardly creating any chances with an excellent defence? www.infogol.net/en/leagues/english-football-league-championship-table-2020-21/264Actual goals scored - 10th Expected goals - 19thBrentford Norwich Watford Middlesbrough Blackburn Bournemouth Reading Cardiff Rotherham QPR Forest Huddersfield Preston Millwall Barnsley Swansea Luton Coventry 19. StokeDerby Bristol C Wycombe Birmingham Sheff Weds Actual goals against - 15th Expected goals against - 6thBrentford Swansea Reading Watford Boro 6. StokeLuton Cardiff Derby Bournemouth Blackburn Barnsley Millwall Forest Norwich QPR Sheff Weds Preston Rotherham Birmingham Huddersfield Coventry Bristol City Wycombe
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Post by gingerninja on Feb 14, 2021 11:34:01 GMT
FCA 47 hits on a good point, we do get into very promising positions, only to mess up time and time again. If we could be marginally more clinical, we would be so much better placed. I agree with most, the next 2 games are absolutely pivotal.
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Post by FullerMagic on Feb 14, 2021 11:40:22 GMT
FCA 47 hits on a good point, we do get into very promising positions, only to mess up time and time again. If we could be marginally more clinical, we would be so much better placed. I agree with most, the next 2 games are absolutely pivotal. The XG stats don't really seem to tell that story though, ginger. They pretty much say our attacking process, as they call it, isn't up to much at all, and we just haven't created much, rather than missed the chances. If you look at which teams we're keeping company with based on that metric, we're down with the also-rans. And it's compounded by the fact we aren't really getting the rewards for our relatively good defensive process/negativity
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Post by citynickscfc on Feb 14, 2021 11:40:39 GMT
FCA 47 hits on a good point, we do get into very promising positions, only to mess up time and time again. If we could be marginally more clinical, we would be so much better placed. I agree with most, the next 2 games are absolutely pivotal. We need to create more, we need to be less negative, and we need a better defence and attack. That basically suggests our team is crap 😂 But regarding the first two points- who sets us up not to create much but is also afraid of conceding? He's divising his own downfall.
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Post by greenhuff on Feb 14, 2021 11:49:57 GMT
I have been watching Stoke since 1968 and painful though it is at present will continue to do so.The club has got itself in this mess simply because it has been badly run for the last few years.Scholes himself has said hes not a football man years ago. The club desperately needed a director of football appointed to work alongside him and perhaps prevent the disasters that have unfurled.I cannot think of another club that has successively signed such a bunch of overpriced wasters which has essentially brought the club to its knees financially. I have seen worse in my time supporting Stoke but essentially you support your team through thick and thin or in Stokes case thin and thinner.We have spent many years outside the top division and I am afraid those supporters who think we are by right due a return to the Premiership may well be disappointed for some time to come.
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Post by gingerninja on Feb 14, 2021 11:50:27 GMT
So it seems Fuller, yet when we do get into good positions out wide, we do get plenty of bodies into the box?.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2021 11:57:10 GMT
I'll have paid the best part of £500 by the end of the season to have watched all our games on the official stream. Good value for money? No, not really. Terrible value, as it goes.
The lockdown has meant I've probably tuned into more than I would have done, if we were not stuck for alternatives.
I'm not even sure what the numbers look like, for the official streams. Though I can understand people saving their money in the current climate.
It's been a season of glimmers of hope, early doors, but mostly, unedifying dirge. Crap team selections, crap players shoe-horned into crap formations, resulting in crap performances, and mostly, crap results. In a crap League.
Still, like Lemmings, we'll keep rocking up, because that's what we do 😄
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Post by nott1 on Feb 14, 2021 14:34:31 GMT
I can understand to a certain degree what you are saying but honestly this manager is average he's not good enough to get a team promoted, other team's have had injuries and if relying on Campbell was the only answer it proves what a poor manager we have. Let's face it the club have gone for the cheap option for the last few managers until the board decides on employing a top rate experienced manager we are going nowhere He has inherited a squad of useless players with no money to really improve. We have no money for the next 2 years until we can get rid of the players we have on stupid wages. I think MON can't be judged until next season when we get Campbell back and our new lm can't remember his name. Just look how different Norwich look without pukki and tell me that one player does not make a difference. Let's get behind the team and look forward to whats ahead. We have a promising under 21 team with players to join the 1st team I feel the future us bright. My feelings too, MON inherited a truly useless bunch of players (not all), and he's not done too badly to keep them top half, but we need some who know where the net is and Vokes and Fletcher are not the answer to regular goals.
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Post by canadianmoose on Feb 14, 2021 14:35:43 GMT
What I see every week is a team that looks totally off the pace in terms of movement, thought and technique.
The passing accuracy and abilities are inconsistent at best, garbage at worst. I really do wonder if they do passing in training? It’s slow and telegraphed and nearly always requires one too many touches from the receiver.
The movement on the pitch is shocking. Players just ambling around or standing on the edge of the box waiting for something to happen.
How many times yesterday did we see opportunities wasted because of lack of bodies in the right place or not there at all? I have never seen a team kill a counter attack like we do!
The defending at the moment is also bad. Players ball watching, barely committed in the tackle and are easily out muscled or out paced by the opposition.
All in all, we are a team devoid of any of our own style of play. We look like our number one aim is to stop whatever the opposition game plan is and we have zero plan of our own.
Yes, we have been unfortunate with injuries, but even Campbell would be struggling at the moment the way we are set up and playing.
It’s mind numbing, walking pace football from a team with no identity.
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Post by loosestools on Feb 14, 2021 14:50:38 GMT
What I see every week is a team that looks totally off the pace in terms of movement, thought and technique. The passing accuracy and abilities are inconsistent at best, garbage at worst. I really do wonder if they do passing in training? It’s slow and telegraphed and nearly always requires one too many touches from the receiver. The movement on the pitch is shocking. Players just ambling around or standing on the edge of the box waiting for something to happen. How many times yesterday did we see opportunities wasted because of lack of bodies in the right place or not there at all? I have never seen a team kill a counter attack like we do! The defending at the moment is also bad. Players ball watching, barely committed in the tackle and are easily out muscled or out paced by the opposition. All in all, we are a team devoid of any of our own style of play. We look like our number one aim is to stop whatever the opposition game plan is and we have zero plan of our own. Yes, we have been unfortunate with injuries, but even Campbell would be struggling at the moment the way we are set up and playing. It’s mind numbing, walking pace football from a team with no identity.
Good description.
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Post by chuckrocky on Feb 14, 2021 14:51:15 GMT
Can anyone actually see what O’Neil is trying to do with the side? How does he want us to play? He’s been here over 12 months now and he’s certainly made us a tougher side to play against but hasn’t managed to implement any kind of style of play.
It was interesting listening to Daniel Farke’s interview after the match yesterday where he lambasted our goal saying that it shouldn’t have happened because as a rule he doesn’t allow his side to play the ball horizontally.
He’s done a fantastic job at Norwich and has firmly imprinted his style on the side. I’ll use Huddersfield as another example. Whilst they’re not having the best of seasons, you can clearly see what they are trying to do and what the long term goal is for the side.
Look how quickly Bielsa turned a rank average Championship side into one of the best sides in the league, and with very little money spent.
Barnsley are another side that really should have been relegated last season but have hired an impressive coach and managed to transform them into an extremely impressive outfit with a clear identity.
I just wish I could see some signs of what O’Neil is trying to do with the side.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2021 15:03:58 GMT
I won’t! You sit and watch the shit Hope you feel truly entertained I actually was entertained today, as I was against Reading and Huddersfield! Yes I wasn’t happy with the result! I watched against Preston and Wycombe! I wasn’t entertained then!! Genuine question. As as stoke city supporter. What was entertaining about that yesterday? I’m genuinely interested as to what entertained you from us?
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Post by Miles Offside on Feb 14, 2021 15:08:18 GMT
If anyone says anything other, they are lying. In the past dozen games only Blackburn away were we remotely decent. MON football is officially now dreadful. Not sure he knows how to stop this poor run. I hope Stoke manage to stay up but it’s not only dreadful football, it’s relegation form. It's getting increasingly painful to watch, but it won't change until he gets the basics right. First thing he needs to do is decide on a style of attacking play, and that won't happen until he fields a formation that suits his players. I don't know how many games we had to suffer bang average full-backs and wingers trying to double up as wing-backs when it was obvious from day one it wouldn't work. 4-3-3 doesn't work with Powell on the left wing and with each of the front three too far away from each other. 4-2-3-1 looks good on paper, but on grass it nearly always becomes a 4-5-1 with an isolated striker. A 4-4-2, with Powell in the middle playing off Fletcher, would suit us best. It'd help us to keep the ball better in the opposition's half.
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Post by westlandstokie on Feb 14, 2021 15:42:23 GMT
If anyone says anything other, they are lying. In the past dozen games only Blackburn away were we remotely decent. MON football is officially now dreadful. Not sure he knows how to stop this poor run. I hope Stoke manage to stay up but it’s not only dreadful football, it’s relegation form. Ok - fair enough. So don’t watch then?!! Aaaaand.... I’m not lying in the fact that I’ll carry on watching through thick and thin but good to see your flip floppy stance on what you consider ‘support’. 👋 I haven’t watched one game on line this season...it sounds bad enough on the radio. And what “flip floppy” support means I have no idea ? I can count on one hand how many home games I’ve missed in over 40 years but to watch this shite from home, with no atmosphere at the stadium, not for me thanks...I’ve got other things to do.
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Post by PottersBrim on Feb 14, 2021 16:25:16 GMT
It's like watching a Pulis side but without the effort and results.
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Post by nott1 on Feb 15, 2021 8:59:09 GMT
I actually was entertained today, as I was against Reading and Huddersfield! Yes I wasn’t happy with the result! I watched against Preston and Wycombe! I wasn’t entertained then!! Genuine question. As as stoke city supporter. What was entertaining about that yesterday? I’m genuinely interested as to what entertained you from us? Watching some proper footballers......Buendia and Pukki for instance!
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Post by thestatusquo on Feb 15, 2021 9:13:41 GMT
Can someone please explain this concept of entertainment? It’s something I’m unfamiliar with
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2021 10:58:29 GMT
Genuine question. As as stoke city supporter. What was entertaining about that yesterday? I’m genuinely interested as to what entertained you from us? Watching some proper footballers......Buendia and Pukki for instance! Did some say they preferred us to get relegated from the premiership? I can remember quite a few saying that. Now KDB, Silva, Salah, Fernandes, Son, etc etc etc. Are Proper footballers. Not Pukki! Watching us get torn and apart by a very average team that will come straight back down doesn’t give me any entertainment at all
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Post by tcdobinghoff on Feb 15, 2021 12:10:51 GMT
FCA 47 hits on a good point, we do get into very promising positions, only to mess up time and time again. If we could be marginally more clinical, we would be so much better placed. I agree with most, the next 2 games are absolutely pivotal. The XG stats don't really seem to tell that story though, ginger. They pretty much say our attacking process, as they call it, isn't up to much at all, and we just haven't created much, rather than missed the chances. If you look at which teams we're keeping company with based on that metric, we're down with the also-rans. And it's compounded by the fact we aren't really getting the rewards for our relatively good defensive process/negativity I don’t necessarily see any conflict between these posts. It’s not just creating an actual goal-scoring chance that we seem to mess up it’s the phase before that where we have a promising position from which to develop a threat and we waste it.
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Post by nott1 on Feb 16, 2021 8:52:47 GMT
Watching some proper footballers......Buendia and Pukki for instance! Did some say they preferred us to get relegated from the premiership? I can remember quite a few saying that. Now KDB, Silva, Salah, Fernandes, Son, etc etc etc. Are Proper footballers. Not Pukki! Watching us get torn and apart by a very average team that will come straight back down doesn’t give me any entertainment at all Pukki not a proper footballer? My God I wish he played for us, we'd be top of the division by now!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2021 9:24:46 GMT
Did some say they preferred us to get relegated from the premiership? I can remember quite a few saying that. Now KDB, Silva, Salah, Fernandes, Son, etc etc etc. Are Proper footballers. Not Pukki! Watching us get torn and apart by a very average team that will come straight back down doesn’t give me any entertainment at all Pukki not a proper footballer? My God I wish he played for us, we'd be top of the division by now! Hes a decent championship player. But that’s all. The likes of Pukki don’t entertain me as much as those I mentioned previously unfortunately.
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