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Post by PottersBrim on Feb 13, 2021 20:05:03 GMT
Worryingly, our recent history shows that Rowett was possibly the best we've had in recent years. Our recruitment, of both players and managers has been woeful. He really wasn’t. Who's been better? Lambert and Jones were both disasters while MON's stats are on a par with Rowett. Don't misunderstand me, I'm not defending Rowett, far from it. I'm just highlighting how bad its been that his time here wasn't the low point.
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Post by longdistancekiddie on Feb 13, 2021 20:09:12 GMT
Just read some of the posts. When the ground was open, the booing and moaning, if the team goes through a bad patch the attendance drops like a stone. Keep swearing sad case "And some of the fans have been shite.
You can't be a Stoke fan long if you think this is shit "
Keep swearing hypocrite.
What you on about, you gobshite, 🤣🤣
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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Feb 13, 2021 20:13:18 GMT
Lampard was doing a poorer job at Chelsea than MON has at Stoke ffs
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Post by FrankButcher on Feb 13, 2021 20:36:35 GMT
He'd still see himself good enough for a prem job in my opinion. He wouldn't come here anyway.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 13, 2021 20:39:07 GMT
Who's been better? Lambert and Jones were both disasters while MON's stats are on a par with Rowett. Don't misunderstand me, I'm not defending Rowett, far from it. I'm just highlighting how bad its been that his time here wasn't the low point. MON didn’t spunk £50m up the wall. He’s making mistakes but he’s hamstrung to an extent and is working with the card he’s been dealt. Rowett had the keys to the castle and wasted it on shite.
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Post by george2again on Feb 13, 2021 20:44:42 GMT
Lampard did a decent job at Derby under difficult circumstances. Why I suggested him as a replacement is that he certainly would not have such a negative outlook on how to play a game of football. At present it’s negative, turgid football with no attacking intent or know how. The reason clubs change managers is that the hope is a fresh approach gets more out of the players. It can’t be worse than the last theee months.
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Post by callas12 on Feb 13, 2021 20:59:52 GMT
Now I'm not advocating we dispose of O'Neil but I do think if we get less than 3 points from the next 2x home games then the pressure will most certainly be ramped up on him by the those who matter most.
Our recent league form has been abysmal but whilst we've somehow managed to keep ourselves in that top 10 region & only a couple of wins off that 6th place MON has been credited some slack.
We all know Peter Coates doesn't rush to press the 'sack' button when the going gets tough & he will most certainly still be grateful for the sterling work MON did last season for us in turning our fortunes around. I'm sure he'll also still believe that MON is still in the early stages of a rebuild process and will give him far more time than other clubs would be prepared to do. That deserves credit to a point, but as we've experienced in the past with the Hughes situation, this can also be counter productive!
If the poor run doesn't end though & it's deemed a new direction is required to halt the slide, I'm thinking abit left field for a replacement & would consider Nigel Pearson going forward.
He was really unlucky at Watford & some believe he set the foundations for Leicester winning the Premier League. Granted he's abit mad on occasions but I think he'd get a tune out of this lot & is well connected to push us forwards towards promotion.
Really hope MON can turn us around & give us a more productive run in towards the end of the season, but Pearson is my shout if a replacement is sought.
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Post by kjpt140v on Feb 13, 2021 21:36:27 GMT
I turned a few weeks ago and don’t see a way back for MON at all. It’s Rowett and Jones all over again. Same feeling of complete dispair. Lose on Tuesday Nd he should be gone for me. Love him or hate him Lampard would get them playing better and get some decent loans next season. It makes me laugh when people say things like this. Why on earth would Lampard want to come to Stoke?
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Post by george2again on Feb 13, 2021 22:36:13 GMT
I turned a few weeks ago and don’t see a way back for MON at all. It’s Rowett and Jones all over again. Same feeling of complete dispair. Lose on Tuesday Nd he should be gone for me. Love him or hate him Lampard would get them playing better and get some decent loans next season. It makes me laugh when people say things like this. Why on earth would Lampard want to come to Stoke? The same way he went to Derby I suppose! He will recognise he has a lot to learn as yet.
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Post by loosestools on Feb 14, 2021 8:50:36 GMT
Isn't referring to someone as Fat - anyone just downright rude? I wouldn't even consider him as 'fat' Fat lives matter.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 14, 2021 9:21:01 GMT
It makes me laugh when people say things like this. Why on earth would Lampard want to come to Stoke? The same way he went to Derby I suppose! He will recognise he has a lot to learn as yet. Which doesn’t exactly make him a strong contender to make a silk purse from a sow’s ear does it?
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Post by liathroid on Feb 14, 2021 9:45:49 GMT
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Post by Jack Jarvis Esquire on Feb 14, 2021 10:19:22 GMT
I think the manager knows he’s under pressure he has to! We are on a really poor run of results.
He worked a miracle last season but that doesn’t mean he’s exempt from criticism now. His signings as cheap as they are have added nothing. His subs are baffling! It’s crazy how quick it’s come apart for him.
His default setting is get a point at all costs, and his football is a reflection of that. Same as TP when the results don’t come people won’t tolerate such dross.
At this point I honestly don’t know what changing a manager will do we have had three all done nowt, as a football supporter we should want the absolute best for our club and there’s nothing wrong with that.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2021 10:22:57 GMT
He'd still see himself good enough for a prem job in my opinion. He wouldn't come here anyway. He would. I don't understand why people call him Fat Frank, he isn't nor ever has been the slightest bit Fat. I also don't understand why people think he wouldn't come here. He is an out of work manager, desperate to prove himself, We are a mid table championship team who were recently in the Premier league, and on the face of it, have great owners who always back their manager. He would be here like a shot if he was offered the job. That brings me to my last point on this subject.... Anybody who wants to swap O'Neil for Lampard right now, is a raving imbecile.
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Post by kjpt140v on Feb 14, 2021 11:19:32 GMT
It makes me laugh when people say things like this. Why on earth would Lampard want to come to Stoke? The same way he went to Derby I suppose! He will recognise he has a lot to learn as yet. Lampard wanted to get into management and Derby opened the door for him and of course he took the opportunity he may of come to Stoke if we'd have offered him the position. Lampard is a through and through Londoner and I believe he will be looking for a job in London or the South East Coast perhaps even Bournemouth. Bournemouth would be the ideal not Stoke.
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Post by kjpt140v on Feb 14, 2021 11:32:09 GMT
I would love to see Hughes back, on the understanding he was allowed to say what went on before. I know there were players recruited who he had no involvement with. He’s said pretty much the opposite. If you read what Crouch, Walters and a few others have had to say there were players in that squad who couldn't give a toss about Stoke City and were here for the ride, It wasn't all about Hughes.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 14, 2021 11:34:20 GMT
He’s said pretty much the opposite. If you read what Crouch, Walters and a few others have had to say there were players in that squad who couldn't give a toss about Stoke City and were here for the ride, It wasn't all about Hughes. Hughes brought those players in though didn’t he? I don’t hate him like a lot do, but he really lost his way once he was given money to spend and the consequences are still being felt to a degree.
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Post by kjpt140v on Feb 14, 2021 12:20:02 GMT
If you read what Crouch, Walters and a few others have had to say there were players in that squad who couldn't give a toss about Stoke City and were here for the ride, It wasn't all about Hughes. Hughes brought those players in though didn’t he? If you saw Imbula at Bournemouth you would know exactly why he was signed, how was Hughes to know he'd get the fuck 'ems, same with Jesse. Hughes wasn't to know that players would react the way they did. The one person I believe he should never have signed was Berahino because of his reputation. I don’t hate him like a lot do, but he really lost his way once he was given money to spend and the consequences are still being felt to a degree.
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Post by march4 on Feb 14, 2021 12:23:06 GMT
Our job has always needed someone of experience with a track record of success.
I had an inkling from the start that our job was just too big for MON.
We really need him to turn this round as the last thing we need is more upheaval. However, this run simply cannot be allowed to go on and on.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 14, 2021 12:28:33 GMT
Hughes brought those players in though didn’t he? If you saw Imbula at Bournemouth you would know exactly why he was signed, how was Hughes to know he'd get the fuck 'ems, same with Jesse. Hughes wasn't to know that players would react the way they did. The one person I believe he should never have signed was Berahino because of his reputation. I don’t hate him like a lot do, but he really lost his way once he was given money to spend and the consequences are still being felt to a degree. There was actually some evidence with both Imbula and Jese character-wise that there might be question marks. I defended him at the time about what happened at QPR but there are parallels in how little stock he seemed to place in character as an attribute.
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Post by thevoid on Feb 14, 2021 13:17:13 GMT
I've been going to Stoke since the late 80s and this is shit. Over to you. You would have seen a lot worse than this then Doesn't mean I have to swallow it. That's like me shrugging off someone keying my car because at least it wasn't stolen.
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Post by gingerninja on Feb 14, 2021 13:40:36 GMT
I believe we could not win another game this season and MON would still be our manager next season.
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Post by crowey on Feb 14, 2021 13:49:18 GMT
I believe we could not win another game this season and MON would still be our manager next season. ... even if we do get relegated
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Feb 14, 2021 14:10:39 GMT
Lampard did a decent job at Derby under difficult circumstances. Why I suggested him as a replacement is that he certainly would not have such a negative outlook on how to play a game of football. At present it’s negative, turgid football with no attacking intent or know how. The reason clubs change managers is that the hope is a fresh approach gets more out of the players. It can’t be worse than the last theee months. Any thread that includes the immortal words "it can't be worse than" should be shit biñned as a matter of principle. Yes it can. And it often is.
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Post by heworksardtho on Feb 14, 2021 14:15:21 GMT
You would have seen a lot worse than this then Doesn't mean I have to swallow it. That's like me shrugging off someone keying my car because at least it wasn't stolen. You know my Mrs said the same last night and I don’t mean about the car 😉
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Post by christhepotter on Feb 14, 2021 14:23:15 GMT
Doesn't mean I have to swallow it. That's like me shrugging off someone keying my car because at least it wasn't stolen. You know my Mrs said the same last night and I don’t mean about the car 😉 Really ? , she never says that to me 🤷♂️😉😁🤣
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Post by heworksardtho on Feb 14, 2021 14:43:54 GMT
You know my Mrs said the same last night and I don’t mean about the car 😉 Really ? , she never says that to me 🤷♂️😉😁🤣 It was you who sent the flowers today 😂😂
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Post by thevoid on Feb 14, 2021 19:29:50 GMT
Fickle support, always has been It’s not fickle, we’ve been absolute shite for 3 months More like 5 years.
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Post by bingbang on Feb 14, 2021 19:35:23 GMT
There was actually some evidence with both Imbula and Jese character-wise that there might be question marks. I defended him at the time about what happened at QPR but there are parallels in how little stock he seemed to place in character as an attribute. Jesse signing was nothing do with Hughes it was quite farcical the way it happened.
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Post by Old School Stokie on Feb 14, 2021 19:42:24 GMT
We won’t get anywhere chopping and changing managers - even Nathan Jones team is 2 points behind stoke with a game in hand - but there’s still shit going on and deadwood to get rid of before we can rebuild - so forget this season and have a bit of patience for a change. The time to assess MON is end of October 2021 - he’s always going to be steady steady slowly slowly catch a monkey - money’s tight and to me he’s not doing a bad job - granted we are going through a lean patch, but that can quickly turn around in this league with a couple of good results
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