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Post by metalhead on Jan 21, 2021 12:46:33 GMT
You're rambling. He was born in Blackburn. He isn't a foreign national, even if his beliefs were shaped by foreign teachings. The message it sends to me is that as a society, we still have faith in humanity. We still believe that a 14 year old impressionable teenager is not some hardened ISIS-esque criminal who's just come back from a 6 month training camp in Pakistan. I didn't say he was I was simply pointing out the fact that we should not have foreign nationals in our prisons who as tax payers have to fund, he was given a life sentence for a reason ! you are trying to make out he is some innocent child who wasn't able to distinguish between right and wrong which is complete and utter bollocks, he was helping to plan a terrorist attack with the intention of killing and maiming innocent people he knew exactly what he was doing, he is free now out on our streets do you trust our authorities to keep him under close observation he is a danger to our society which is why he should have remained locked up for at least 25 years. I never said he was innocent. I said he was an adolescent and therefore prone to the same kind of manipulation that most teenagers are at risk of. A 14 year old should know the difference between right and wrong, but to be clear when you say he was actively 'helping to plan a terrorist attack', you mean he was actually encouraging some twat he'd never met from the other side of the world to go and behead police officers. I'm not saying he was 'just kidding' but it's a bit different to the old bill smashing in his front door, finding blokes in camo, a whole load of home made IED's and spotting a huge map on the wall covered in drawing pins to indicate potential targets like a scene out of Dr Strangelove. He basically gave it the biggun to some cunt who was in the process of planning a terrorist plot. It almost has a 'little boy trying to impress the big boys' feel to it. It's very easy to be all skirt, no trousers, when it's not you planning on going out and hurting people. His family had no idea he was even involved because the whole thing was completely isolated to WhatsApp on his mobile phone. Had police turned up and found 16 bags of fertilizer then perhaps I'd be singing from a different songbook here. In reality, he sat there telling a bunch of legitimate terrorists to go out and do it. Wrong? Yes, absolutely and that's why the sentence was almost disproportionate in length when you think of some of the other sentences that are dished. For sending WhatsApp messages, he got a sentence 5x longer than some rapists get. I'm not making excuses for the kid. What he did was absolutely abhorrent, but he's also spent 5 years in jail (which was the minimum term) and will be under some of the most invasive surveillance you can possibly imagine. He deserve a chance to be a productive member of society. Any sign of dodgy mobile phone or something out of place, he will be sent back. They cannot afford to get this wrong. If he hurts someone, the push back would be HUGE.
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Post by foster on Jan 21, 2021 13:37:39 GMT
I didn't say he was I was simply pointing out the fact that we should not have foreign nationals in our prisons who as tax payers have to fund, he was given a life sentence for a reason ! you are trying to make out he is some innocent child who wasn't able to distinguish between right and wrong which is complete and utter bollocks, he was helping to plan a terrorist attack with the intention of killing and maiming innocent people he knew exactly what he was doing, he is free now out on our streets do you trust our authorities to keep him under close observation he is a danger to our society which is why he should have remained locked up for at least 25 years. I never said he was innocent. I said he was an adolescent and therefore prone to the same kind of manipulation that most teenagers are at risk of. A 14 year old should know the difference between right and wrong, but to be clear when you say he was actively 'helping to plan a terrorist attack', you mean he was actually encouraging some twat he'd never met from the other side of the world to go and behead police officers. I'm not saying he was 'just kidding' but it's a bit different to the old bill smashing in his front door, finding blokes in camo, a whole load of home made IED's and spotting a huge map on the wall covered in drawing pins to indicate potential targets like a scene out of Dr Strangelove. He basically gave it the biggun to some cunt who was in the process of planning a terrorist plot. It almost has a 'little boy trying to impress the big boys' feel to it. It's very easy to be all skirt, no trousers, when it's not you planning on going out and hurting people. His family had no idea he was even involved because the whole thing was completely isolated to WhatsApp on his mobile phone. Had police turned up and found 16 bags of fertilizer then perhaps I'd be singing from a different songbook here. In reality, he sat there telling a bunch of legitimate terrorists to go out and do it. Wrong? Yes, absolutely and that's why the sentence was almost disproportionate in length when you think of some of the other sentences that are dished. For sending WhatsApp messages, he got a sentence 5x longer than some rapists get. I'm not making excuses for the kid. What he did was absolutely abhorrent, but he's also spent 5 years in jail (which was the minimum term) and will be under some of the most invasive surveillance you can possibly imagine. He deserve a chance to be a productive member of society. Any sign of dodgy mobile phone or something out of place, he will be sent back. They cannot afford to get this wrong. If he hurts someone, the push back would be HUGE. Due to his age I would be inclined to give him another chance, IF those monitoring his rehab and approving his release into society are willing to take some responsibility if he goes off the rails. They really need to be 100% sure that he realises the error of his ways and renounces terrorism. If not, then do not release him. At 14 you really have no idea of the world. He just needs to be guided in the right direction. If he is given a program to follow that includes him contributing to the community, working and integrating with his neighbours then that should be fine. He should also be under surveillance and agree to have his phone and internet activity tracked for suspicious activity, as a condition of his release. What he should not be allowed to do is interact with any other known radicals - who should not be on the streets in the first place. It should be made clear to him that he will be monitored and surveilled indefinitely, and if he is found to be sharing or participating in any hate related activity then he will break the terms of his release and will go back to prison with immediate effect.
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Post by mattyd2 on Jan 21, 2021 13:52:21 GMT
I never said he was innocent. I said he was an adolescent and therefore prone to the same kind of manipulation that most teenagers are at risk of. A 14 year old should know the difference between right and wrong, but to be clear when you say he was actively 'helping to plan a terrorist attack', you mean he was actually encouraging some twat he'd never met from the other side of the world to go and behead police officers. I'm not saying he was 'just kidding' but it's a bit different to the old bill smashing in his front door, finding blokes in camo, a whole load of home made IED's and spotting a huge map on the wall covered in drawing pins to indicate potential targets like a scene out of Dr Strangelove. He basically gave it the biggun to some cunt who was in the process of planning a terrorist plot. It almost has a 'little boy trying to impress the big boys' feel to it. It's very easy to be all skirt, no trousers, when it's not you planning on going out and hurting people. His family had no idea he was even involved because the whole thing was completely isolated to WhatsApp on his mobile phone. Had police turned up and found 16 bags of fertilizer then perhaps I'd be singing from a different songbook here. In reality, he sat there telling a bunch of legitimate terrorists to go out and do it. Wrong? Yes, absolutely and that's why the sentence was almost disproportionate in length when you think of some of the other sentences that are dished. For sending WhatsApp messages, he got a sentence 5x longer than some rapists get. I'm not making excuses for the kid. What he did was absolutely abhorrent, but he's also spent 5 years in jail (which was the minimum term) and will be under some of the most invasive surveillance you can possibly imagine. He deserve a chance to be a productive member of society. Any sign of dodgy mobile phone or something out of place, he will be sent back. They cannot afford to get this wrong. If he hurts someone, the push back would be HUGE. Due to his age I would be inclined to give him another chance, IF those monitoring his rehab and approving his release into society are willing to take some responsibility if he goes off the rails. They really need to be 100% sure that he realises the error of his ways and renounces terrorism. If not, then do not release him. At 14 you really have no idea of the world. He just needs to be guided in the right direction. If he is given a program to follow that includes him contributing to the community, working and integrating with his neighbours then that should be fine. He should also be under surveillance and agree to have his phone and internet activity tracked for suspicious activity, as a condition of his release. What he should not be allowed to do is interact with any other known radicals - who should not be on the streets in the first place. It should be made clear to him that he will be monitored and surveilled indefinitely, and if he is found to be sharing or participating in any hate related activity then he will break the terms of his release and will go back to prison with immediate effect. Unfortunately the chances are he will have been radicalised even more whilst inside.
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Post by mattyd2 on Jan 21, 2021 13:55:33 GMT
I was joking but I really aren't very smart as most of the libtard woke apologists on here will confirm Never thought that you aren't smart myself. I think you are frustrated and very passionate about the stuff you talk about. I think one day you have to live and let live though. As I've said before, those who spend their life consumed by anger regarding the status quo will eventually realise they've wasted so much energy that could have been spent chasing happiness. Live and let live.... I'm sure i'm not in a minority when my piss boils when I see these atrocities have been carried out by former offenders, or people on watch lists. We have got to toughen up and keep these vermin from our streets.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jan 21, 2021 13:57:19 GMT
I never said he was innocent. I said he was an adolescent and therefore prone to the same kind of manipulation that most teenagers are at risk of. A 14 year old should know the difference between right and wrong, but to be clear when you say he was actively 'helping to plan a terrorist attack', you mean he was actually encouraging some twat he'd never met from the other side of the world to go and behead police officers. I'm not saying he was 'just kidding' but it's a bit different to the old bill smashing in his front door, finding blokes in camo, a whole load of home made IED's and spotting a huge map on the wall covered in drawing pins to indicate potential targets like a scene out of Dr Strangelove. He basically gave it the biggun to some cunt who was in the process of planning a terrorist plot. It almost has a 'little boy trying to impress the big boys' feel to it. It's very easy to be all skirt, no trousers, when it's not you planning on going out and hurting people. His family had no idea he was even involved because the whole thing was completely isolated to WhatsApp on his mobile phone. Had police turned up and found 16 bags of fertilizer then perhaps I'd be singing from a different songbook here. In reality, he sat there telling a bunch of legitimate terrorists to go out and do it. Wrong? Yes, absolutely and that's why the sentence was almost disproportionate in length when you think of some of the other sentences that are dished. For sending WhatsApp messages, he got a sentence 5x longer than some rapists get. I'm not making excuses for the kid. What he did was absolutely abhorrent, but he's also spent 5 years in jail (which was the minimum term) and will be under some of the most invasive surveillance you can possibly imagine. He deserve a chance to be a productive member of society. Any sign of dodgy mobile phone or something out of place, he will be sent back. They cannot afford to get this wrong. If he hurts someone, the push back would be HUGE. Due to his age I would be inclined to give him another chance, IF those monitoring his rehab and approving his release into society are willing to take some responsibility if he goes off the rails. They really need to be 100% sure that he realises the error of his ways and renounces terrorism. If not, then do not release him. At 14 you really have no idea of the world. He just needs to be guided in the right direction. If he is given a program to follow that includes him contributing to the community, working and integrating with his neighbours then that should be fine. He should also be under surveillance and agree to have his phone and internet activity tracked for suspicious activity, as a condition of his release. What he should not be allowed to do is interact with any other known radicals - who should not be on the streets in the first place. It should be made clear to him that he will be monitored and surveilled indefinitely, and if he is found to be sharing or participating in any hate related activity then he will break the terms of his release and will go back to prison with immediate effect. To play devils advocate Shamima Begum had just turned 15 when she left for Syria.......
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jan 21, 2021 14:07:27 GMT
Due to his age I would be inclined to give him another chance, IF those monitoring his rehab and approving his release into society are willing to take some responsibility if he goes off the rails. They really need to be 100% sure that he realises the error of his ways and renounces terrorism. If not, then do not release him. At 14 you really have no idea of the world. He just needs to be guided in the right direction. If he is given a program to follow that includes him contributing to the community, working and integrating with his neighbours then that should be fine. He should also be under surveillance and agree to have his phone and internet activity tracked for suspicious activity, as a condition of his release. What he should not be allowed to do is interact with any other known radicals - who should not be on the streets in the first place. It should be made clear to him that he will be monitored and surveilled indefinitely, and if he is found to be sharing or participating in any hate related activity then he will break the terms of his release and will go back to prison with immediate effect. Unfortunately the chances are he will have been radicalised even more whilst inside. Apparently notđ
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Post by foster on Jan 21, 2021 14:07:40 GMT
Due to his age I would be inclined to give him another chance, IF those monitoring his rehab and approving his release into society are willing to take some responsibility if he goes off the rails. They really need to be 100% sure that he realises the error of his ways and renounces terrorism. If not, then do not release him. At 14 you really have no idea of the world. He just needs to be guided in the right direction. If he is given a program to follow that includes him contributing to the community, working and integrating with his neighbours then that should be fine. He should also be under surveillance and agree to have his phone and internet activity tracked for suspicious activity, as a condition of his release. What he should not be allowed to do is interact with any other known radicals - who should not be on the streets in the first place. It should be made clear to him that he will be monitored and surveilled indefinitely, and if he is found to be sharing or participating in any hate related activity then he will break the terms of his release and will go back to prison with immediate effect. To play devils advocate Shamima Begum had just turned 15 when she left for Syria....... She's also supported and witnessed a lot of atrocities since then. In her case she would have to beg forgiveness, swear allegiance to the UK, accept a more secular lifestyle and the British way of life, renounce her deeds, give up all intel on radicals she knows of, and annul her marriage... to even stand a chance of being accepted back here.
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Post by mattyd2 on Jan 21, 2021 14:09:04 GMT
To play devils advocate Shamima Begum had just turned 15 when she left for Syria....... She's also supported and witnessed a lot of atrocities since then. In her case she would have to beg forgiveness, swear allegiance to the UK, accept a more secular lifestyle and the British way of life, renounce her deeds, give up all intel on radicals she knows of, and annul her marriage... to even stand a chance of being accepted back here. But even then I would still be uneasy, and have a feeling that she has done all that to get amongst us to wreak even more hatred.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jan 21, 2021 14:13:29 GMT
To play devils advocate Shamima Begum had just turned 15 when she left for Syria....... She's also supported and witnessed a lot of atrocities since then. In her case she would have to beg forgiveness, swear allegiance to the UK, accept a more secular lifestyle and the British way of life, renounce her deeds, give up all intel on radicals she knows of, and annul her marriage... to even stand a chance of being accepted back here. The British tax payers money would still be used to keep that creature in the country. She shouldnât be here, end of story. I know itâs more complicated than that but just my view.
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Post by foster on Jan 21, 2021 14:17:51 GMT
She's also supported and witnessed a lot of atrocities since then. In her case she would have to beg forgiveness, swear allegiance to the UK, accept a more secular lifestyle and the British way of life, renounce her deeds, give up all intel on radicals she knows of, and annul her marriage... to even stand a chance of being accepted back here. The British tax payers money would still be used to keep that creature in the country. She shouldnât be here, end of story. I know itâs more complicated than that but just my view. Out of interest, who's covering the costs of keeping her now?
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Post by crapslinger on Jan 21, 2021 15:28:29 GMT
I didn't say he was I was simply pointing out the fact that we should not have foreign nationals in our prisons who as tax payers have to fund, he was given a life sentence for a reason ! you are trying to make out he is some innocent child who wasn't able to distinguish between right and wrong which is complete and utter bollocks, he was helping to plan a terrorist attack with the intention of killing and maiming innocent people he knew exactly what he was doing, he is free now out on our streets do you trust our authorities to keep him under close observation he is a danger to our society which is why he should have remained locked up for at least 25 years. I never said he was innocent. I said he was an adolescent and therefore prone to the same kind of manipulation that most teenagers are at risk of. A 14 year old should know the difference between right and wrong, but to be clear when you say he was actively 'helping to plan a terrorist attack', you mean he was actually encouraging some twat he'd never met from the other side of the world to go and behead police officers. I'm not saying he was 'just kidding' but it's a bit different to the old bill smashing in his front door, finding blokes in camo, a whole load of home made IED's and spotting a huge map on the wall covered in drawing pins to indicate potential targets like a scene out of Dr Strangelove. He basically gave it the biggun to some cunt who was in the process of planning a terrorist plot. It almost has a 'little boy trying to impress the big boys' feel to it. It's very easy to be all skirt, no trousers, when it's not you planning on going out and hurting people. His family had no idea he was even involved because the whole thing was completely isolated to WhatsApp on his mobile phone. Had police turned up and found 16 bags of fertilizer then perhaps I'd be singing from a different songbook here. In reality, he sat there telling a bunch of legitimate terrorists to go out and do it. Wrong? Yes, absolutely and that's why the sentence was almost disproportionate in length when you think of some of the other sentences that are dished. For sending WhatsApp messages, he got a sentence 5x longer than some rapists get. I'm not making excuses for the kid. What he did was absolutely abhorrent, but he's also spent 5 years in jail (which was the minimum term) and will be under some of the most invasive surveillance you can possibly imagine. He deserve a chance to be a productive member of society. Any sign of dodgy mobile phone or something out of place, he will be sent back. They cannot afford to get this wrong. If he hurts someone, the push back would be HUGE. From the Lancashire Post: At the age of just 14, the teenager took on the role of âorganiser and adviserâ and suggested beheading or using a car to kill officers during the annual April 25 commemoration of Australians and New Zealanders killed in conflict, which that year marked the centenary of the First World War battle in Gallipoli.
After being recruited online by Islamic State propagandist Abu Khaled al-Cambodi, over nine days RXG sent thousands of messages to 18-year-old Sevdet Besim, instructing him to kill police officers at the remembrance parade in Melbourne.
Australian police were alerted to the plot after British officers discovered material on the teenagerâs phone.
The Parole Board cleared him to leave prison at his first review after he became eligible for release in October.
Does that sound like someone who didn't know what he was doing he even encrypted the messages, he is a dangerous radicalised individual who could and probably will re offend in the future why are we releasing him any one with those type of thoughts is a danger to the public at large.
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Post by crapslinger on Jan 21, 2021 15:40:25 GMT
She's also supported and witnessed a lot of atrocities since then. In her case she would have to beg forgiveness, swear allegiance to the UK, accept a more secular lifestyle and the British way of life, renounce her deeds, give up all intel on radicals she knows of, and annul her marriage... to even stand a chance of being accepted back here. The British tax payers money would still be used to keep that creature in the country. She shouldnât be here, end of story. I know itâs more complicated than that but just my view. I believe that the "lawyer" representing her will be applying for funding via legal aid, in effect the tax payer will be paying for this traitorous ISIS baby machine to return to the UK a country with values she hates, her "lawyer" has already stated that he believes she is still a threat to the state, it's total fcuking piss take the greatest tragedy is she did not meet the fate of the two jihadi bitches who travelled with her.
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Post by metalhead on Jan 22, 2021 18:24:51 GMT
Live and let live.... I'm sure i'm not in a minority when my piss boils when I see these atrocities have been carried out by former offenders, or people on watch lists. We have got to toughen up and keep these vermin from our streets. My remark was directed at carpslayer/crapslinger, because he spends an unusual amount of time being angry about a single issue. You are not in the minority, no. I am absolutely the same and I rage in the aftermath of an attack, especially when some information inevitably comes out that some incompetent career-happy police officers were too busy happy slapping idiots on Twitter than dealing with truly dangerous threats to society / criminals. You can't allow yourself to be consumed by it though. Waking up every day angry and going to bed angry... it's just not good for you? I feel exactly the same is true for those in the left-wing lunacy groups such as Antifa and BLM. If you allow yourself to become consumed by hatred, especially in the case of a sort of faux mythical enemy, you'll ultimately waste so much of your life and regret it down the line. To play devils advocate Shamima Begum had just turned 15 when she left for Syria....... And yet I have a lot less sympathy for Shamima Begum who has seemingly become more dangerous, more radical and has absolutely no jot of remorse for her decision as a 15 year old. She hasn't developed the levels of empathy that I think are required to call her a truly reformed character. The problem is that she's also our shit to clean up. People say "oh if you want to fuck off to ISIS, you can stay there" yeah yeah, except that's not what we want when it's the other way round, is it? Miss Begum was born in the UK, and in my opinion we have a duty of responsibility to clean that mess up. We've set a very dangerous precedent by not taking her back to be honest. In my eyes, she should return and have an extended stay in one of our finest prisons. I consider her a far greater threat to the man about to be released. From the Lancashire Post: At the age of just 14, the teenager took on the role of âorganiser and adviserâ and suggested beheading or using a car to kill officers during the annual April 25 commemoration of Australians and New Zealanders killed in conflict, which that year marked the centenary of the First World War battle in Gallipoli.
After being recruited online by Islamic State propagandist Abu Khaled al-Cambodi, over nine days RXG sent thousands of messages to 18-year-old Sevdet Besim, instructing him to kill police officers at the remembrance parade in Melbourne.
Australian police were alerted to the plot after British officers discovered material on the teenagerâs phone.
The Parole Board cleared him to leave prison at his first review after he became eligible for release in October.
Does that sound like someone who didn't know what he was doing he even encrypted the messages, he is a dangerous radicalised individual who could and probably will re offend in the future why are we releasing him any one with those type of thoughts is a danger to the public at large.
Here's your 5 second tech lesson of the day... free of charge. ALL WhatsApp messages are encrypted mate, even those you send to Auntie Flo and Uncle Bryan. I mean what exactly do you think they mean by encrypted? Pig Latin? Ombbay ethay infidelsway? Or do you think this 14 year old was using some ultra advanced public-key encryption method, the kind that usually requires years of technical know-how to ensure it cannot be intercepted by a man-in-the-middle attack, and somehow delivering this shite via WhatsApp on his mobile phone? Hate to break it to you, but the media (especially mainstream) are fucking Luddites when it comes to technology. The kind of nonsense I see printed in the Guardian, Express, Daily Mail, etc regarding technology staggers me. There are 12 year old's with a better understanding than some tech journalists out there. It's almost like they'd rather hire some twat who's done a 3 year Journalism course and are used to writing articles about pigeon's stealing peoples chips on Blackpool pier than someone who actually has a fucking clue about the shit they're writing. So this rule about keeping people who could and probably will re-offend in the future, does that extend just to this lad or also to repeat sexual offenders, arsonists, violent criminals etc? Just curious as to your thoughts on this one.
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Post by crapslinger on Jan 22, 2021 18:28:51 GMT
No just him !
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Post by musik on Jan 23, 2021 22:54:57 GMT
I better not comment.đ
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Jan 24, 2021 15:56:12 GMT
If he had accidentally died in prison,there would be no need for this thread.
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Post by crapslinger on Jan 24, 2021 16:20:14 GMT
If he had accidentally died in prison,there would be no need for this thread. Could you imagine the uproar if he accidentally cut his throat whilst shaving
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