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Post by mattyd2 on Jan 17, 2021 16:43:34 GMT
Died in prison seving life for Murder.
Didnt know that.
Very influential but a bit of a bad lad to say the least.
RIP
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Post by telfordstoke on Jan 17, 2021 17:21:04 GMT
Can't knock his musical legacy but a chequered past and no mistake . RIP
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Post by wagsastokie on Jan 17, 2021 17:38:23 GMT
Lasted a hell of a lot longer in jail
Than Prince Andrews mate
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Post by Gods on Jan 17, 2021 18:06:07 GMT
I never quite got this 'wall of sound' thing.
As soon as his name is mentioned someone says "Oh yes of course, he created the famous 'wall of sound' and music was never the same again".
Then to prove the point they play a few random soundbites from artists as diverse as Tina Turner, Leonard Cohen and the Beatles and I'm left none the wiser?
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Jan 17, 2021 18:58:12 GMT
Phil Spector has become Phil Spectre.
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Post by marwood on Jan 17, 2021 19:28:40 GMT
A troubled and controversial individual
But made some great music, which we’ve all heard
In our house his Christmas album is required listening and is on every year, that didn’t change with his conviction
It’s one of the best seasonal discs of all time
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Post by telfordstoke on Jan 17, 2021 19:43:48 GMT
I never quite got this 'wall of sound' thing. As soon as his name is mentioned someone says "Oh yes of course, he created the famous 'wall of sound' and music was never the same again". Then to prove the point they play a few random soundbites from artists as diverse as Tina Turner, Leonard Cohen and the Beatles and I'm left none the wiser? I'm no record producer sadly but I think his strategy was to layer instruments so densely that it gave the songs a unique sound and got him and hence the artist an edge , and also according to something I've read , possibly mask a song that was less than stellar by making it SOUND brilliant even if it wasn't..does that even make sense? Certainly nobody ever sounded like him . I discovered him when he produced the Ramones . |
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Post by Dutchpeter on Jan 17, 2021 22:11:18 GMT
I never quite got this 'wall of sound' thing. As soon as his name is mentioned someone says "Oh yes of course, he created the famous 'wall of sound' and music was never the same again". Then to prove the point they play a few random soundbites from artists as diverse as Tina Turner, Leonard Cohen and the Beatles and I'm left none the wiser? I'm no record producer sadly but I think his strategy was to layer instruments so densely that it gave the songs a unique sound and got him and hence the artist an edge , and also according to something I've read , possibly mask a song that was less than stellar by making it SOUND brilliant even if it wasn't..does that even make sense? Certainly nobody ever sounded like him . I discovered him when he produced the Ramones . His wall of sound was mimicked by Wizard and The Clash, probably more too. |
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Post by Dutchpeter on Jan 17, 2021 22:14:59 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2021 1:03:53 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 18, 2021 3:09:06 GMT
He was a bad man but it can't be denied that he created some of the most wonderful moments in pop music history ...
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Post by innocentbystander on Jan 18, 2021 13:24:48 GMT
The only mention of his death and major musical influence on the BBC was on Woman's Hour, predictably writing off his achievements because of evidence of sexism.
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Post by richie22 on Jan 18, 2021 13:29:00 GMT
One less piece of shit in the world.
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Post by Kilo on Jan 18, 2021 13:33:08 GMT
The only mention of his death and major musical influence on the BBC was on Woman's Hour, predictably writing off his achievements because of evidence of sexism. Blowing somebody's brains out because they wouldn't nosh him off is a bit more than sexism  |
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Post by Gods on Jan 18, 2021 13:50:46 GMT
The only mention of his death and major musical influence on the BBC was on Woman's Hour, predictably writing off his achievements because of evidence of sexism. It was an item on every BBC News item I saw all day. |
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Post by felonious on Jan 18, 2021 19:19:07 GMT
The only mention of his death and major musical influence on the BBC was on Woman's Hour, predictably writing off his achievements because of evidence of sexism. Perhaps they got their fingers burnt earlier with an article about cuddly, talented Phil? www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-55702855 |
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Jan 18, 2021 23:04:07 GMT
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Post by ChesterStokie on Jan 18, 2021 23:42:44 GMT
I'm no record producer sadly but I think his strategy was to layer instruments so densely that it gave the songs a unique sound and got him and hence the artist an edge , and also according to something I've read , possibly mask a song that was less than stellar by making it SOUND brilliant even if it wasn't..does that even make sense? Certainly nobody ever sounded like him . I discovered him when he produced the Ramones . His wall of sound was mimicked by Wizard and The Clash, probably more too. Brian Wilson was heavily influenced by Phil Spector’s production techniques when he made The Beach Boys’ Pet Sounds album. You can very much hear Spector’s influence on the ‘sound’ of the album. Spector was not directly involved though and it’s very much Brian’s album. |
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Post by yeokel on Jan 19, 2021 12:00:51 GMT
In our house his Christmas album is required listening and is on every year, that didn’t change with his conviction It’s one of the best seasonal discs of all time I know what you mean..... We are exactly the same in our house with the Gary Glitter Christmas Special LP from the early '70s  |
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Post by Robo10 on Jan 19, 2021 13:43:05 GMT
He was an absolute nutter wasn't he?
I've got the Ramones documentary on DVD somewhere (its a cracking watch if you are a fan), where they tell a tale of going to his house and living there for a while as he produced their 'End of the Century' LP
Stories of him locking them in rooms, pulling guns, shooting random household objects, and (for the Ramones) the hell of being asked to record and rerecord their songs over and over again as he wanted the perfect 'sound' (anyone who likes the Ramones know its nowt to do with perfection, its fast, hard, 3 chord singalong rock and roll that doesn't have to sound like Pink Floyd)
Lots of fall outs, don't think they found it a particularly pleasant experience.
Whatever his musical legacy, he was an absolute nutter, drugs, women, guns, alcohol, and ultimately a murderer of the rather beautiful Lana Clarkson.
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Post by metalhead on Jan 19, 2021 18:35:14 GMT
It's not often I agree with the Guardian, but they are absolutely right. He was a murderer first and whatever else he did second. I can't believe some twat above said it was the BBC being sexist? Fuck my life. I'm as anti-BBC and Guardian as anyone but he literally shot a bird in the face. Top bloke? No, pure cunt. For anyone who actually gives a shit, the 'wall of sound' is basically a combination of multi-layering the audio (which makes a huge difference to sound because it thickens the frequency responsive) and also pushing the gain up so the actual master output is more compressed which means it is perceived more forward and in your face (avoiding clipping if you can, as clipping sounds shit). If you want to keep the entire range of your frequencies, you'll inevitably result in a very dynamic sounding record but it will usually be very quiet, for something like jazz, classical, some pop, you'd probably be following this approach. You want to keep the dynamics of say, quiet cymbal hits and rim shots on the snare. For good old hard rock, you can afford to lose some of those frequencies push the output gain higher... results in a more aggressive sounding record. Best example I can find: The Original Recording After being handed over to Owen Morris.... Wall of Sound (additional vocal track, additional guitar track with gain pushed through the roof, drum track compressed and boosted beyond belief) Genuinely the same recordings underneath... |
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