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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 17, 2021 2:44:58 GMT
Fonz Bojan Arnie Muniesa Moses Odenwingie Shaq Absolute class. Proper footballers. And a shout for Shawcross too. It was always and still is bollocks that Shawcross can’t pass. He’s very good with the ball and Hughes bought the absolute best out in him. Footballers and then you mention Shawcross in the same sentence as, 😂😂 There we go. Sheer disrespect. You don’t come from the Man Yoo academy if you’re not a footballer and tbh he’s shown with us that he is a very good passer.
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Post by longdistancekiddie on Jan 17, 2021 2:58:22 GMT
Footballers and then you mention Shawcross in the same sentence as, 😂😂 There we go. Sheer disrespect. You don’t come from the Man Yoo academy if you’re not a footballer and tbh he’s shown with us that he is a very good passer. Disrespect, like you show to MON, who saved this club from dropping again and all the shite Disrespecition from you towards, Delap, Walters, Whelan, Wilson, Faye, Pennant, Lawrence etc,,, Shawcross never played for the shit and Ferguson never said he regretted selling him, also he is very lucky to have come to Stoke and play in Pulis ten men defence teams
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Post by pb1863 on Jan 17, 2021 4:12:37 GMT
Arnie for me. Exciting, arrogant and unpredictable. Loved watching him strut his stuff
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Post by PotterLog on Jan 17, 2021 5:04:55 GMT
Shawcross never played for the shit and Ferguson never said he regretted selling him, also he is very lucky to have come to Stoke and play in Pulis ten men defence teams My god
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Post by oslostokie1 on Jan 17, 2021 5:46:02 GMT
Fonz Bojan Arnie Muniesa Moses Odenwingie Shaq Absolute class. Proper footballers. And a shout for Shawcross too. It was always and still is bollocks that Shawcross can’t pass. He’s very good with the ball and Hughes bought the absolute best out in him. You could add Afellay and Charlie Adam, who scored many great goals during the Hughes’ era, to that list
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2021 6:00:47 GMT
Arnie,
His attitude, swagger, he knew he was head and shoulders above and made the opposition aware he was too, he also had a nasty side to his game too.
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Post by supersimonstainrod on Jan 17, 2021 6:33:08 GMT
Not to come across too contrarian but Arnie’s skills are being a bit overstated here. Capable of a supreme first touch, yes, but perfectly capable of shinning it 30 yards too far as well. In his first few games it was almost comical how poor his touch and final ball were (trying too hard probably). Shooting the same, he couldn’t hit the thing straight sometimes. The best technical footballer we’ve had at the club since the 70s is Bojan and there really shouldn’t be any debate about that. Bojan's early form for us was poor though too? He genuinely struggled to get involved in or impose himself on games. He improved almost immeasurably after the coaching team instituted a programme of conditioning focusing on enhancing his upper body strength? (something Arnie had in absolute spades.) But it was a couple of months in coming? There were also games,certainly close to the end of his time with us,maybe less so during the dying embers of Hughes regime, in which he seemed to struggle with his touch,the ball didn't seem to stick like it did previously in the heady days of his prime,though I could never quite discern whether it was attributable to rustiness through inconsistency of selection/lack of game time,being surrounded by poorer players pinging balls at him at silly heights and angles or just an indicator that he was no longer the player he was when at his sublime best,or all of those things. But then memory is a notoriously fallible thing,so i'm more than likely way off the mark.😂 Indisputably gave us some sustainedly great moments,and the Boxing day game away at Everton is a personal favourite,Bojan celebrating in front of us,belting out his song after he converted the penno (Barry Davies' "just look at his face" commentary was made for a moment like this...😂) Thinking about how much joy our 'adoption' of his son gave his father also ("They sing my boy's name...") gets me all misty eyed,and wondering how it all turned to sh*te so irrevocably.
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Post by PotterLog on Jan 17, 2021 7:06:56 GMT
Not to come across too contrarian but Arnie’s skills are being a bit overstated here. Capable of a supreme first touch, yes, but perfectly capable of shinning it 30 yards too far as well. In his first few games it was almost comical how poor his touch and final ball were (trying too hard probably). Shooting the same, he couldn’t hit the thing straight sometimes. The best technical footballer we’ve had at the club since the 70s is Bojan and there really shouldn’t be any debate about that. Bojan's early form for us was poor though too? He genuinely struggled to get involved in or impose himself on games. He improved almost immeasurably after the coaching team instituted a programme of conditioning focusing on enhancing his upper body strength? (something Arnie had in absolute spades.) But it was a couple of months in coming? There were also games,certainly close to the end of his time with us,maybe less so during the dying embers of Hughes regime, in which he seemed to struggle with his touch,the ball didn't seem to stick like it did previously in the heady days of his prime,though I could never quite discern whether it was attributable to rustiness through inconsistency of selection/lack of game time,being surrounded by poorer players pinging balls at him at silly heights and angles or just an indicator that he was no longer the player he was when at his sublime best,or all of those things. But then memory is a notoriously fallible thing,so i'm more than likely way off the mark.😂 Indisputably gave us some sustainedly great moments,and the Boxing day game away at Everton is a personal favourite,Bojan celebrating in front of us,belting out his song after he converted the penno (Barry Davies' "just look at his face" commentary was made for a moment like this...😂) Thinking about how much joy our 'adoption' of his son gave his father also ("They sing my boy's name...") gets me all misty eyed,and wondering how it all turned to sh*te so irrevocably. Yeah I wasn’t really meaning to compare them overall. You can certainly make a case that Arnie was better for us than Bojan in the sense that he played more games, had more influence on the team etc. But as a separate point, Bojan is the best “footballer” to have played for us certainly in my lifetime and I suspect longer. He had no technical weaknesses, unless you count heading. And come on, who counts heading.
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Post by supersimonstainrod on Jan 17, 2021 7:24:28 GMT
Bojan's early form for us was poor though too? He genuinely struggled to get involved in or impose himself on games. He improved almost immeasurably after the coaching team instituted a programme of conditioning focusing on enhancing his upper body strength? (something Arnie had in absolute spades.) But it was a couple of months in coming? There were also games,certainly close to the end of his time with us,maybe less so during the dying embers of Hughes regime, in which he seemed to struggle with his touch,the ball didn't seem to stick like it did previously in the heady days of his prime,though I could never quite discern whether it was attributable to rustiness through inconsistency of selection/lack of game time,being surrounded by poorer players pinging balls at him at silly heights and angles or just an indicator that he was no longer the player he was when at his sublime best,or all of those things. But then memory is a notoriously fallible thing,so i'm more than likely way off the mark.😂 Indisputably gave us some sustainedly great moments,and the Boxing day game away at Everton is a personal favourite,Bojan celebrating in front of us,belting out his song after he converted the penno (Barry Davies' "just look at his face" commentary was made for a moment like this...😂) Thinking about how much joy our 'adoption' of his son gave his father also ("They sing my boy's name...") gets me all misty eyed,and wondering how it all turned to sh*te so irrevocably. Yeah I wasn’t really meaning to compare them overall. You can certainly make a case that Arnie was better for us than Bojan in the sense that he played more games, had more influence on the team etc. But as a separate point, Bojan is the best “footballer” to have played for us certainly in my lifetime and I suspect longer. He had no technical weaknesses, unless you count heading. And come on, who counts heading. Agreed. Best as in biggest impact,and best as in technically most proficient aren't necessarily the same debate,granted you may be able to come up with the same name as a solution to both discussions but it's far from guaranteed. I loved all the flying wingers we've had through the years;Chamberlain,Beagrie,Hoekstra,Arnie et al,they could all probably do things with a football that say Glenn Whelan could only dream about,but the conversation as to which was best,as in most influential or important to their respective teams isn't as nearly as one sided as it at first looks. France's '98 WC winning side possessed some stellar talents,but would they have done it so assuredly,if at all,without the selfless 'water carrier' Deschamps?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 17, 2021 11:55:47 GMT
Fonz Bojan Arnie Muniesa Moses Odenwingie Shaq Absolute class. Proper footballers. And a shout for Shawcross too. It was always and still is bollocks that Shawcross can’t pass. He’s very good with the ball and Hughes bought the absolute best out in him. You could add Afellay and Charlie Adam, who scored many great goals during the Hughes’ era, to that list I could but I don’t like either of them 😂
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2021 20:28:08 GMT
I remember being in a petrol Station in Singapore and the lad serving saw my t shirt and immediately said how brilliant Bojan was. For that short period he was fantastic and made such an impression
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