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Post by skemstokie on Jan 15, 2021 10:14:58 GMT
In the scheme of things, it's not a massive breach, however rules are rules..His form this season has been by and large poor and I feel it would be a good time for him to move on to pastures new. His effort has never been in question, but that bit of quality he sometimes produced, just hasn't been there this season. A breach of rules is a breach,rules are for a reason and only work if everyone complies and failing to comply is punished.
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Post by spitthedog on Jan 15, 2021 10:21:23 GMT
Why is the gym open?
Presumably the gym is breaking the law?
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Post by FranktheRabbit on Jan 15, 2021 10:32:42 GMT
I’d that a joke? He wasn’t pissed up at someone’s house or driving like a twat. He was training in a gym. If you’re not a joking then 🤦🏻♂️ He, like everyone else in the country cant train at a gym can they ... He brings the club into disrepute by breaking covid rules and then posting on social media - The thick cunt. He's far more interested in being a boxer than playing football anyway. Then posts a bitchy instgram post about his employers who pay him £30k a week . Abysmal footballer , abysmal person . Just fuck off McClean Hardly an abysmal person is he and you can't make that kind of conclusion about someone's character when you get a tiny snap shot of their lives. I've seen and heard numerous people say positive things about his personality/character. Plus there have never ever been complaints about him disrupting the team or being a negative influence on the team. The manager has only ever had good things to say about him. The players seem to like him. It's evident especially on here that people had a pre-conceived perception of him before he arrived solely due to his political stance, which he is perfectly entitled to. What exactly has he done that makes him so abysmal when he has been at Stoke? Not wearing a poppy, completely irrelevant. Cupping his ear? Get a grip. Calling a section of the Stoke fans cave men? Can you blame him after his own supporters are abusing him over something they don't understand/can't be arsed to look into? Watch the video of the QPR fans abusing him at Loftus Road, they are fucking cavemen and the people abusing him at Stoke are as well. I'm not defending the breach of rules, or his previous Instagram post, but that just makes him look thick and lacking common sense, not an abysmal person. He's been caught, and punished and rightly so. For me, regardless of his footballing ability, has only ever given 100% in a Stoke shirt and doesn't deserve the personal abuse he gets on here and at games.
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Post by Veritas on Jan 15, 2021 10:32:51 GMT
Why is the gym open? Presumably the gym is breaking the law? Yes, they need to get ready for a visit by the local Plod.
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Post by LGH87 on Jan 15, 2021 10:35:17 GMT
I've just been told by a mate who knows the trainer that the footage is old, I can't see the club suspending him so publicly without clarification of when the footage was taken though.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Jan 15, 2021 10:40:57 GMT
Disappointing and stupid. But fuck me, it doesn’t take long to hustle up a lynch mob on here does it??!! You make a good point, but I'm going to let the lynch move off this time. I said it at the time of his signing and I'll say it again, James Mcclean isn't anywhere near good enough a footballer to allow him to get away with all the shit that surrounds him. The quicker he is out of our club, the better for everyone concerned. Just forget him being POTS last year then?
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Post by danthestokie on Jan 15, 2021 10:41:06 GMT
He’s just added a bit of a cryptic new post on Instagram. “Remember. We all tell the version of the story that makes US look good” http://instagr.am/p/CKCvRIwhOXt Can I just add that it seems a few of the players supported his post! Campbell, Verlinden & Bursik all liked the post before it was removed...
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Post by A-teen_six_T3 on Jan 15, 2021 10:56:57 GMT
Can he cross the ball? No Can he take on a man? Barely Is he good defensively? No Does he make stupid tackles in every game? Yes Do you say in over 50% of games he's gonna get sent off here? Yes Has he made Instagram to provoke those who disagree with his political stance? Yes Has he had a dig at his Dan base? Yes
Was that the case before he signed for Stoke aswell as during his time at Stoke? Yes
He's now gone and broke the law and had a dig at the people who pay his wages.
He's thick as fuck and always plays the victim. I didn't want us to sign him for the reasons listed above. I don't want him to continue to play for us for the reasons above. Its got fuck all to do with anything else. As already as been adhered to, his talents are nowhere good enough to enable him to get away with being a prick.
I will say he deservedly won player of the season last season and his directness,his ability to give 100% commitment helped in our relegation fight. Take Sheffield Wednesday at Xmas as a prime example of that
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Post by potterburt on Jan 15, 2021 10:57:10 GMT
Wow, this looks like 5 pages of a whole lot of people that are gleefully laying into someone, not because of the matter at hand but because of their religious, political beliefs and ideology.
Not one of those calling McClean every profanity known have once brought up the issue that potentially a PT should also be fined up to £10,000.
None of us are aware of the circumstances and reasonings as to what’s happens but just have a think how quickly you are to jump down someone’s throat because of your own prejudice against them and what they believe in. Should be ashamed of yourselves.
I’m not defending McClean if he has gone against the law and rules of the club. Covid is serious and lives do depend on everyone abiding and doing they’re part.
But we don’t know the full details yet and even if we did nothing excuses some of the comments, sentiments and furore towards him based on his ideologies and posters own sectarian, xenophobic and political prejudices.
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Post by moon on Jan 15, 2021 11:04:59 GMT
I don`t think Maclean has broke the rules regarding the gym. Professional athletes are allowed, with a coach to train one to one in a gym. So he could class himself as this. He may well have broken the clubs rules, which he must of done. Not the brightest is he? The government rules are so unclear I'm sure a lawyer would easily prove he didn't break them, I suspect you're right about the club rules though.
There is no need to crucify him over this though, players at other clubs have done far worse, at the end of the day he was doing extra training - not out partying, filling himself up with drugs fags and booze, and banging anything that moves.
We know he's not the brightest, but he is committed to the cause though and the more of the squad we have fit and available for selection the better our chances this season, I'm sure he'll be back in a few weeks.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 15, 2021 11:11:19 GMT
Look no further than the scandal going on in womens football! Why what's going on? Players from the bigger clubs and arguably the more high profile female players, went off to Dubai over Christmas break, brought coronavirus back with them, spread it around clubs leading to several postponements. Smaller clubs, who were forced to play despite Covid depleted squads earlier in the season were appalled that the bigger clubs, with the biggest squads, got their games postponed. The reaction of the clubs, initially, was similar to those of Celtic and despite the best attempts of the likes of Jacqui Oatley to raise the profile of the incident there has been little coverage because the womens game simply isn't news. Had high profile premier league players done what these women had done, it would be plastered all over the news pages, front and back and on every TV news channel around.
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Post by A-teen_six_T3 on Jan 15, 2021 11:16:18 GMT
I don`t think Maclean has broke the rules regarding the gym. Professional athletes are allowed, with a coach to train one to one in a gym. So he could class himself as this. He may well have broken the clubs rules, which he must of done. Not the brightest is he? The government rules are so unclear I'm sure a lawyer would easily prove he didn't break them, I suspect you're right about the club rules though. There is no need to crucify him over this though, players at other clubs have done far worse, at the end of the day he was doing extra training - not out partying, filling himself up with drugs fags and booze, and banging anything that moves.
We know he's not the brightest, but he is committed to the cause though and the more of the squad we have fit and available for selection the better our chances this season, I'm sure he'll be back in a few weeks.
Hang on a minute. Meeting other people It is against the law to meet socially with family or friends unless they are part of your household or support bubble. You cannot leave home for recreational or leisure purposes (such as for a picnic or a social meeting). Exercising You should minimise time spent outside your home, but you can leave your home to exercise. This should be limited to once per day, and you should not travel outside your local area. You can exercise in a public outdoor place: by yourselfwith the people you live withwith your support bubble (if you are legally permitted to form one)in a childcare bubble where providing childcareor, when on your own, with 1 person from another household Sports and physical activity Indoor gyms and sports facilities will remain closed. Outdoor sports facilities must also close, including: sports courts outdoor gyms golf courses outdoor swimming pools archery/driving/shooting ranges riding centres Organised outdoor sport for disabled people is allowed to continue. Elite sport may continue. There is further guidance on the phased return of elite sport. These are very very clear. Even the thickest of thick can understand. Its just another example of McClean thinking he can do and say what he wants with no repercussions. Other players may have broke the rules, doesn't mean that McClean should get away with breaking them. What's that old expression "Two wrongs don't make a right"
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jan 15, 2021 11:16:53 GMT
He’s just added a bit of a cryptic new post on Instagram. “Remember. We all tell the version of the story that makes US look good” http://instagr.am/p/CKCvRIwhOXt Can I just add that it seems a few of the players supported his post! Campbell, Verlinden & Bursik all liked the post before it was removed... Irrelevant.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 15, 2021 11:20:17 GMT
Players from the bigger clubs and arguably the more high profile female players, went off to Dubai over Christmas break, brought coronavirus back with them, spread it around clubs leading to several postponements. Smaller clubs, who were forced to play despite Covid depleted squads earlier in the season were appalled that the bigger clubs, with the biggest squads, got their games postponed. The reaction of the clubs, initially, was similar to those of Celtic and despite the best attempts of the likes of Jacqui Oatley to raise the profile of the incident there has been little coverage because the womens game simply isn't news. Had high profile premier league players done what these women had done, it would be plastered all over the news pages, front and back and on every TV news channel around. Indeed but again that's the world it is. No one really cares what they do
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Post by potterburt on Jan 15, 2021 11:20:27 GMT
Can I just add that it seems a few of the players supported his post! Campbell, Verlinden & Bursik all liked the post before it was removed... Irrelevant. Actually.... it’s likely to be more relevant than 90% of fan’s personal opinions posted in this forum so....
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 15, 2021 11:24:11 GMT
Players from the bigger clubs and arguably the more high profile female players, went off to Dubai over Christmas break, brought coronavirus back with them, spread it around clubs leading to several postponements. Smaller clubs, who were forced to play despite Covid depleted squads earlier in the season were appalled that the bigger clubs, with the biggest squads, got their games postponed. The reaction of the clubs, initially, was similar to those of Celtic and despite the best attempts of the likes of Jacqui Oatley to raise the profile of the incident there has been little coverage because the womens game simply isn't news. Had high profile premier league players done what these women had done, it would be plastered all over the news pages, front and back and on every TV news channel around. Indeed but again that's the world it is. No one really cares what they do Which is exactly the point Wezza was making and why I quoted the womens game as an example.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jan 15, 2021 11:26:47 GMT
Actually.... it’s likely to be more relevant than 90% of fan’s personal opinions posted in this forum so.... The fact that fans comments are irrelevant doesn’t make a few likes by work colleagues relevant in any way shape or form. They are young people who live their lives on social meeja. Just because they liked or commented on the post doesn’t mean they were complicit in or condoned his actions and so the reference to their appearance on the post is utterly irrelevant. And bringing their names into it in an attempt to deflect attention away from McClean’s stupidity is reprehensible.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 15, 2021 11:27:33 GMT
Indeed but again that's the world it is. No one really cares what they do Which is exactly the point Wezza was making and why I quoted the womens game as an example. It is but it is what it is and they know that. That's why if he has done something wrong then the hardest sanction should be applied. A much better response than Guardiola re Mendy.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 15, 2021 11:32:26 GMT
Which is exactly the point Wezza was making and why I quoted the womens game as an example. It is but it is what it is and they know that. That's why if he has done something wrong then the hardest sanction should be applied. A much better response than Guardiola re Mendy. Agreed. Our club tend to handle such matters, on the odd occasion they crop up, very well. No different here. Even if the club go on to find Mclean did little/nothing wrong and that the Boxing images were historic ones, they've still be seen to do the right thing. They suspended him pending further enquiries. Those enquiries might have been a 30 second phone call where we took Mclean's word for everything but the outside world doesn't know that so our club is once again viewed in a positive light. Mclean can't play on Saturday, the club emerges from it well, with it's reputation arguably enhanced. Everyone's a winner!
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Post by potterburt on Jan 15, 2021 11:39:48 GMT
The government rules are so unclear I'm sure a lawyer would easily prove he didn't break them, I suspect you're right about the club rules though. There is no need to crucify him over this though, players at other clubs have done far worse, at the end of the day he was doing extra training - not out partying, filling himself up with drugs fags and booze, and banging anything that moves.
We know he's not the brightest, but he is committed to the cause though and the more of the squad we have fit and available for selection the better our chances this season, I'm sure he'll be back in a few weeks.
Hang on a minute. Meeting other people It is against the law to meet socially with family or friends unless they are part of your household or support bubble. You cannot leave home for recreational or leisure purposes (such as for a picnic or a social meeting). Exercising You should minimise time spent outside your home, but you can leave your home to exercise. This should be limited to once per day, and you should not travel outside your local area. You can exercise in a public outdoor place: by yourselfwith the people you live withwith your support bubble (if you are legally permitted to form one)in a childcare bubble where providing childcareor, when on your own, with 1 person from another household Sports and physical activity Indoor gyms and sports facilities will remain closed. Outdoor sports facilities must also close, including: sports courts outdoor gyms golf courses outdoor swimming pools archery/driving/shooting ranges riding centres Organised outdoor sport for disabled people is allowed to continue. Elite sport may continue. There is further guidance on the phased return of elite sport. These are very very clear. Even the thickest of thick can understand. Its just another example of McClean thinking he can do and say what he wants with no repercussions. Other players may have broke the rules, doesn't mean that McClean should get away with breaking them. What's that old expression "Two wrongs don't make a right" I think you’ve missed the point that’s generally being made. But you seem to be assured that McClean has broken the rules regarding exercising, didn’t a poster earlier say that the PT had said it was a session from a while ago? (Easy excuse if caught I know). I think most of us can confidently say that our governments handling and information has been pretty diabolical this past year. What if this PT has been doing this for loads of players? For loads of other sportsfolk? What if the pitch to the player is that it’s totally safe, exclusive to that player and bit of a ‘don’t worry, everyone's doing it?’ Doesn’t excuse it happening but those set of ‘possibilities’ would put more malice and lack of care onto the side of the PT. The point you have missed is that the level of abject disregard for any facts for a chance to have a pot shot at someone because of people prejudices isn’t correct. It seems most on here are District Judges that have been presented with all the facts of the matter.
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Post by Edward Tattsyrup on Jan 15, 2021 11:44:55 GMT
he's not been the same player since he caught Covid
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Post by potterburt on Jan 15, 2021 11:45:28 GMT
Actually.... it’s likely to be more relevant than 90% of fan’s personal opinions posted in this forum so.... The fact that fans comments are irrelevant doesn’t make a few likes by work colleagues relevant in any way shape or form. They are young people who live their lives on social meeja. Just because they liked or commented on the post doesn’t mean they were complicit in or condoned his actions and so the reference to their appearance on the post is utterly irrelevant. And bringing their names into it in an attempt to deflect attention away from McClean’s stupidity is reprehensible. What? I would say that the logic you have applied in the above is faulty but I can’t see any logic in it. I wasn’t comparing fans comments relevancy to players liking a post. Until we know what’s happened - there’s little that we can judge. However I will read more into other players liking an activity of which they may also be doing the same - which then starts to suggest that perhaps the club’s rules hadn’t been stipulated. Or perhaps the club is just generally quite lax and it was brought to their attention by someone outside of the club and he is being made an example of. So much speculation! But I would jump in with the angry rabble of people prejudice towards him and hatred because he doesn’t want to wear a poppy. If you believe there’s more ‘relevancy’ in the latter then go for it!
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Post by A-teen_six_T3 on Jan 15, 2021 11:48:44 GMT
Hang on a minute. Meeting other people It is against the law to meet socially with family or friends unless they are part of your household or support bubble. You cannot leave home for recreational or leisure purposes (such as for a picnic or a social meeting). Exercising You should minimise time spent outside your home, but you can leave your home to exercise. This should be limited to once per day, and you should not travel outside your local area. You can exercise in a public outdoor place: by yourselfwith the people you live withwith your support bubble (if you are legally permitted to form one)in a childcare bubble where providing childcareor, when on your own, with 1 person from another household Sports and physical activity Indoor gyms and sports facilities will remain closed. Outdoor sports facilities must also close, including: sports courts outdoor gyms golf courses outdoor swimming pools archery/driving/shooting ranges riding centres Organised outdoor sport for disabled people is allowed to continue. Elite sport may continue. There is further guidance on the phased return of elite sport. These are very very clear. Even the thickest of thick can understand. Its just another example of McClean thinking he can do and say what he wants with no repercussions. Other players may have broke the rules, doesn't mean that McClean should get away with breaking them. What's that old expression "Two wrongs don't make a right" I think you’ve missed the point that’s generally being made. But you seem to be assured that McClean has broken the rules regarding exercising, didn’t a poster earlier say that the PT had said it was a session from a while ago? (Easy excuse if caught I know). I think most of us can confidently say that our governments handling and information has been pretty diabolical this past year. What if this PT has been doing this for loads of players? For loads of other sportsfolk? What if the pitch to the player is that it’s totally safe, exclusive to that player and bit of a ‘don’t worry, everyone's doing it?’ Doesn’t excuse it happening but those set of ‘possibilities’ would put more malice and lack of care onto the side of the PT. The point you have missed is that the level of abject disregard for any facts for a chance to have a pot shot at someone because of people prejudices isn’t correct. It seems most on here are District Judges that have been presented with all the facts of the matter. You make a fair point and everybody should be given the benefit of doubt. As a counter argument he's already been warned a) about his social media posts and advised to get rid and b) about Covid guidelines You'd imagine that the players will have known/seen publics reaction to premiership players breaking the rules and Stoke as a club would have been very much drilling it into them about their conduct. Add that to the fact the numbers we are seeing now on a daily basis..I think you'd either have to be very thick or very selfish to carry on meeting others outside of your bubbles. I think McClean has showed both of these characteristics previously aswell, so, there's very little argument to support him in my eyes
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jan 15, 2021 11:53:44 GMT
The fact that fans comments are irrelevant doesn’t make a few likes by work colleagues relevant in any way shape or form. They are young people who live their lives on social meeja. Just because they liked or commented on the post doesn’t mean they were complicit in or condoned his actions and so the reference to their appearance on the post is utterly irrelevant. And bringing their names into it in an attempt to deflect attention away from McClean’s stupidity is reprehensible. What? I would say that the logic you have applied in the above is faulty but I can’t see any logic in it. I wasn’t comparing fans comments relevancy to players liking a post. Until we know what’s happened - there’s little that we can judge. However I will read more into other players liking an activity of which they may also be doing the same - which then starts to suggest that perhaps the club’s rules hadn’t been stipulated. Or perhaps the club is just generally quite lax and it was brought to their attention by someone outside of the club and he is being made an example of. So much speculation! But I would jump in with the angry rabble of people prejudice towards him and hatred because he doesn’t want to wear a poppy. If you believe there’s more ‘relevancy’ in the latter then go for it! I’m afraid our discourse ends here. If you insist on totally distorting what I said to try and align me with the knuckle draggers who try to bring sectarianism into every discussion surrounding James McClean then you are a fool and not worth responding to further.
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Post by nottsover60 on Jan 15, 2021 11:56:48 GMT
Why is the gym open? Presumably the gym is breaking the law? Irrelevant to Stoke. McLean has put the rest of the squad and staff at Stoke at risk. The fact he has already had it is also irrelevant. In fact you could argue it makes his behaviour even more irresponsible. At the moment the advice seems to be that although you could be protected for up to 5 months after contracting the disease you can still carry the virus and infect others. Presumably no one would know you are doing this as you'd text negative. The hierarchy at Stoke must be rightly furious after all the effort and money they've spent to make the training ground covid secure.
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Post by surreystokie on Jan 15, 2021 11:57:20 GMT
Never wanted him due to his undesirable baggage. But blow me down if there aren’t so many supporters disliking, nay hating him for what they think has been done which involves doing extra work and then criticising the likes of Ince for being so lazy🤡
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Post by crowey on Jan 15, 2021 11:59:42 GMT
.... is this an excuse to cancel his contract?
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Post by danthestokie on Jan 15, 2021 12:00:33 GMT
Did anyone see his instagram post of him at the top of a tree whilst out walking recently? Risking injury if he were to fall... Would've been on par with Liam Lawrence falling over his dog!
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Post by nottsover60 on Jan 15, 2021 12:05:47 GMT
Hang on a minute. Meeting other people It is against the law to meet socially with family or friends unless they are part of your household or support bubble. You cannot leave home for recreational or leisure purposes (such as for a picnic or a social meeting). Exercising You should minimise time spent outside your home, but you can leave your home to exercise. This should be limited to once per day, and you should not travel outside your local area. You can exercise in a public outdoor place: by yourselfwith the people you live withwith your support bubble (if you are legally permitted to form one)in a childcare bubble where providing childcareor, when on your own, with 1 person from another household Sports and physical activity Indoor gyms and sports facilities will remain closed. Outdoor sports facilities must also close, including: sports courts outdoor gyms golf courses outdoor swimming pools archery/driving/shooting ranges riding centres Organised outdoor sport for disabled people is allowed to continue. Elite sport may continue. There is further guidance on the phased return of elite sport. These are very very clear. Even the thickest of thick can understand. Its just another example of McClean thinking he can do and say what he wants with no repercussions. Other players may have broke the rules, doesn't mean that McClean should get away with breaking them. What's that old expression "Two wrongs don't make a right" I think you’ve missed the point that’s generally being made. But you seem to be assured that McClean has broken the rules regarding exercising, didn’t a poster earlier say that the PT had said it was a session from a while ago? (Easy excuse if caught I know). I think most of us can confidently say that our governments handling and information has been pretty diabolical this past year. What if this PT has been doing this for loads of players? For loads of other sportsfolk? What if the pitch to the player is that it’s totally safe, exclusive to that player and bit of a ‘don’t worry, everyone's doing it?’ Doesn’t excuse it happening but those set of ‘possibilities’ would put more malice and lack of care onto the side of the PT. The point you have missed is that the level of abject disregard for any facts for a chance to have a pot shot at someone because of people prejudices isn’t correct. It seems most on here are District Judges that have been presented with all the facts of the matter. I don't go on Instagram so haven't seen his post but if true that it was a session from a while ago why did he post it yesterday as if it was something he'd done yesterday? Was he deliberately trying to create controversy and look as if he had very little regard for the club. I am also suspicious of the PT claim as he was breaking the rules if his gym is still open so can expect a call from the police and a hefty fine.
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Post by skelman on Jan 15, 2021 12:30:25 GMT
Stoke statement read: “We can confirm James McClean has been suspended with immediate effect pending a disciplinary hearing into an alleged breach of Covid-19 regulations, namely training in a private gym.“As a result of the suspension, McClean will not be available for selection for Saturday’s game against Blackburn Rovers.”
The Club have acted swiftly and entirely correctly so further enquiries can be made and the full facts established.
We need to await the outcome of that hearing!
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