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Post by wagsastokie on Jan 15, 2021 9:35:21 GMT
Probably a stupid question, but if we got promoted and then immediately relegated, would we still have three years' worth of parachute payments / FFP leeway? Yes
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Post by mrcoke on Jan 15, 2021 9:44:32 GMT
If we were successful enough to get promoted MO'N is a manager I would trust like Pulis to get the right sort of players in to get results enough not to come straight back down.
I'm sure the club would back him to get the players he wanted. They have backed each manager we have had, to a fault, in the case of the last two.
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Post by bgreen13 on Jan 15, 2021 9:57:27 GMT
Whether we 'push on' in the rest of the season or not, it's going to be more exciting due to the unknown factor of the new players.
I'm looking forward to see what happens.
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Post by tcdobinghoff on Jan 15, 2021 11:13:26 GMT
Whether we 'push on' in the rest of the season or not, it's going to be more exciting due to the unknown factor of the new players. I'm looking forward to see what happens. Exactly !! There’s always new hope when new players come into the equation. It will be interesting to see if there is a change in the way we play as well. Can’t wait for next few matches.
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Post by andyj on Jan 15, 2021 11:16:31 GMT
Probably a stupid question, but if we got promoted and then immediately relegated, would we still have three years' worth of parachute payments / FFP leeway? Yes You only get 2 if you come straight down
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 15, 2021 11:28:53 GMT
It’s also the type of player we’re bringing it that’s exciting I think. Maybe these lads will be massive flops....but MON obviously wants youth and he wants pace. That is massive cause for optimism in my opinion. It’s funny though that (and I agree btw) we’ve signed players with pace, which we’ve been crying out for but I bet it will be said by some (if it hasn’t been said already somewhere) that pace alone isn’t enough. I’m glad we’ve signed the players we have and even loan players isn’t a bad thing (zouma was a rare shining light for us) and hope it gives us a springboard going into the back end of the season. Also it’s nice not to have signed a 34 year old has been. I find the hand-wringing 'pace isn't enough' stuff a bit weird as well. 1) Has there been any suggestion that these players 'only' have pace and nothing else? 2) Pace on its own might not be 'enough' but it's better than having none. Even a player as limited as Cameron Jerome gave us a threat we'd lost when he came into the team towards the end of Pulis' last season. Having players with pace, even if they're not necessarily world beaters, gives you a threat on the counter and pushes the other team's defence back.
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Post by lordb on Jan 15, 2021 11:52:59 GMT
It’s funny though that (and I agree btw) we’ve signed players with pace, which we’ve been crying out for but I bet it will be said by some (if it hasn’t been said already somewhere) that pace alone isn’t enough. I’m glad we’ve signed the players we have and even loan players isn’t a bad thing (zouma was a rare shining light for us) and hope it gives us a springboard going into the back end of the season. Also it’s nice not to have signed a 34 year old has been. I find the hand-wringing 'pace isn't enough' stuff a bit weird as well. 1) Has there been any suggestion that these players 'only' have pace and nothing else? 2) Pace on its own might not be 'enough' but it's better than having none. Even a player as limited as Cameron Jerome gave us a threat we'd lost when he came into the team towards the end of Pulis' last season. Having players with pace, even if they're not necessarily world beaters, gives you a threat on the counter and pushes the other team's defence back. Just wary about pace having had a number of appalling but very fast players, can recall an Anglo Italian game at the Vic with tiny crowd. Lou played 433 with Regis,Kelly & Carruthers up front it was like watching some rubbish arcade game where the shoot button was broken we had something like 40 shots with 1 on target, we won 1.0 , the ballboys had the busiest night of their lives that's without mentioning Junior Bent, John Williams,Wayne Thomas, Goodfellow e.t.c. however: you are right there is no suggestion that Matondo, Clarke & Doughty are just fast - each appear to be able to play as well so potentially it could be exciting to watch Pace is overrated (understanding what's going on in the game is far more important) however if there are some good factors already & pace is added then it can become decisive
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 15, 2021 11:59:56 GMT
I find the hand-wringing 'pace isn't enough' stuff a bit weird as well. 1) Has there been any suggestion that these players 'only' have pace and nothing else? 2) Pace on its own might not be 'enough' but it's better than having none. Even a player as limited as Cameron Jerome gave us a threat we'd lost when he came into the team towards the end of Pulis' last season. Having players with pace, even if they're not necessarily world beaters, gives you a threat on the counter and pushes the other team's defence back. Just wary about pace having had a number of appalling but very fast players, can recall an Anglo Italian game at the Vic with tiny crowd. Lou played 433 with Regis,Kelly & Carruthers up front it was like watching some rubbish arcade game where the shoot button was broken we had something like 40 shots with 1 on target, we won 1.0 , the ballboys had the busiest night of their lives that's without mentioning Junior Bent, John Williams,Wayne Thomas, Goodfellow e.t.c. however: you are right there is no suggestion that Matondo, Clarke & Doughty are just fast - each appear to be able to play as well so potentially it could be exciting to watch Pace is overrated (understanding what's going on in the game is far more important) however if there are some good factors already & pace is added then it can become decisive I don't agree that it's overrated - in English football at least I think it's one of the most important commodities in the game, still. Take the point about the poor finishers but I'd argue that without pace you don't even create those chances - late era Pulis we were the lowest scorers in the entire pyramid once Ethers got crocked and Pennant started acting up and we didn't properly replace them. Can't think of many teams who achieve much who don't have at least some pace in the final third.
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Post by lordb on Jan 15, 2021 12:04:47 GMT
Just wary about pace having had a number of appalling but very fast players, can recall an Anglo Italian game at the Vic with tiny crowd. Lou played 433 with Regis,Kelly & Carruthers up front it was like watching some rubbish arcade game where the shoot button was broken we had something like 40 shots with 1 on target, we won 1.0 , the ballboys had the busiest night of their lives that's without mentioning Junior Bent, John Williams,Wayne Thomas, Goodfellow e.t.c. however: you are right there is no suggestion that Matondo, Clarke & Doughty are just fast - each appear to be able to play as well so potentially it could be exciting to watch Pace is overrated (understanding what's going on in the game is far more important) however if there are some good factors already & pace is added then it can become decisive I don't agree that it's overrated - in English football at least I think it's one of the most important commodities in the game, still. Take the point about the poor finishers but I'd argue that without pace you don't even create those chances - late era Pulis we were the lowest scorers in the entire pyramid once Ethers got crocked and Pennant started acting up and we didn't properly replace them. Can't think of many teams who achieve much who don't have at least some pace in the final third. that's because those teams have good fast players pace doesn't = good however good + pace = lethal
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Post by chiswickpotter on Jan 15, 2021 12:07:43 GMT
I don't agree that it's overrated - in English football at least I think it's one of the most important commodities in the game, still. Take the point about the poor finishers but I'd argue that without pace you don't even create those chances - late era Pulis we were the lowest scorers in the entire pyramid once Ethers got crocked and Pennant started acting up and we didn't properly replace them. Can't think of many teams who achieve much who don't have at least some pace in the final third. that's because those teams have good fast players pace doesn't = good however good + pace = lethal No pace is a real problem though - it allows teams to squeeze and limit your space. The ability to threaten in behind, even with limited players, is important in creating space for other players.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 15, 2021 12:16:53 GMT
I don't agree that it's overrated - in English football at least I think it's one of the most important commodities in the game, still. Take the point about the poor finishers but I'd argue that without pace you don't even create those chances - late era Pulis we were the lowest scorers in the entire pyramid once Ethers got crocked and Pennant started acting up and we didn't properly replace them. Can't think of many teams who achieve much who don't have at least some pace in the final third. that's because those teams have good fast players pace doesn't = good however good + pace = lethal Can you think of many teams full of good players but without pace who've won much in the last 20 years or so? Pace even with ordinary players still gives the opposition something to worry about, that's my point.
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Post by heathen on Jan 15, 2021 13:00:02 GMT
Pace is great but there is a requirement to be able to take the ball with you. A player who could hit a shot would be nice as well.
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Post by stokecitytalke on Jan 15, 2021 13:14:00 GMT
You only get 2 if you come straight down Correct. ✔️
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Post by a on Jan 15, 2021 13:48:37 GMT
I find the hand-wringing 'pace isn't enough' stuff a bit weird as well. 1) Has there been any suggestion that these players 'only' have pace and nothing else? 2) Pace on its own might not be 'enough' but it's better than having none. Even a player as limited as Cameron Jerome gave us a threat we'd lost when he came into the team towards the end of Pulis' last season. Having players with pace, even if they're not necessarily world beaters, gives you a threat on the counter and pushes the other team's defence back. Just wary about pace having had a number of appalling but very fast players, can recall an Anglo Italian game at the Vic with tiny crowd. Lou played 433 with Regis,Kelly & Carruthers up front it was like watching some rubbish arcade game where the shoot button was broken we had something like 40 shots with 1 on target, we won 1.0 , the ballboys had the busiest night of their lives that's without mentioning Junior Bent, John Williams,Wayne Thomas, Goodfellow e.t.c. however: you are right there is no suggestion that Matondo, Clarke & Doughty are just fast - each appear to be able to play as well so potentially it could be exciting to watch Pace is overrated (understanding what's going on in the game is far more important) however if there are some good factors already & pace is added then it can become decisive I’m looking forward to it to be fair, seeing us go at teams with pace, I’d like to think that we’ve got much of the other attributes, including a bit of fight and guile. Pace is something we’ve been lacking along with a cutting edge since campbells injury
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Post by lordb on Jan 15, 2021 17:48:02 GMT
that's because those teams have good fast players pace doesn't = good however good + pace = lethal Can you think of many teams full of good players but without pace who've won much in the last 20 years or so? Pace even with ordinary players still gives the opposition something to worry about, that's my point. I'll take your point however my point is valid too, seen far too many rubbish players for Stoke with lightening pace, would deffo prefer a good player with no pace to a bad player with pace good players with pace tend to end up higher up the food chain Hoping the new young loanees have got something about them - suspect they do, could be fun times
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Post by thevoid on Jan 15, 2021 17:54:44 GMT
This thread title reminds me of Rylan Clark.
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Post by foxysgloves on Jan 15, 2021 19:55:47 GMT
This thread title reminds me of Rylan Clark. Let’s get this straight. When you think of Rylan you get excited. Actually, maybe ‘let’s get this straight’ was a poor choice of words!!!
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