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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 13, 2021 13:44:15 GMT
He was. It just proves the point I've been making for more than a decade now, Stoke fans (maybe the wider footballing public too but I don't engage them) equate hard work with defensive prowess. And it's so wrong it's untrue. Yeah you shouldn't have to tear arse back and put in last ditch tackles, if your positioning is correct to start with. It was Xabi Alonso or Maldini (I can't remember which or it may have been both ) that said if they make a tackle they've made a mistake.
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Post by Caerwrangonpotter on Jan 13, 2021 14:18:43 GMT
Give me a Jon Walters any day of the week over any of the greedy mercenaries that the Club has attracted in the last few transfer windows.
Earned the title "super" and forever will be
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Post by Pugsley on Jan 13, 2021 14:23:05 GMT
Two of my favourite Walters goals came against Chelsea as well. The run from his own half where he left Luiz for dead, wrong-footed two defenders and shot past Cech, then this one off the bar vs Begovic in the League Cup Great game that, had the lot. If DeBruyne or whoever scored that goal then we would not hear the last of it. Absolute quality.
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Post by silsdenstokie on Jan 13, 2021 17:24:46 GMT
Yeah you shouldn't have to tear arse back and put in last ditch tackles, if your positioning is correct to start with. It was Xabi Alonso or Maldini (I can't remember which or it may have been both ) that said if they make a tackle they've made a mistake. Maldini I think Best defender in my lifetime
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Post by silsdenstokie on Jan 13, 2021 17:26:21 GMT
To be fair SJW followed it up with 2 goals against Palace in his next match (cup I think). Typical of the man
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 13, 2021 17:27:47 GMT
It was Xabi Alonso or Maldini (I can't remember which or it may have been both ) that said if they make a tackle they've made a mistake. Maldini I think Best defender in my lifetime I can remember when I first heard it and was younger and was outraged at it because I love a good slide tackle and still do! But he's spot on. And I give Mikel stick for his defensive contribution but he does position himself well and intercepts, it's other things that annoy me. Allen is a great example of the quote and a player that doesn't do it.
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Post by mrsocko on Jan 13, 2021 18:05:00 GMT
shane duffy once scored 2 own goals and got sent off in a game for blackburn a few years ago
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Post by Dresden_scfc on Jan 13, 2021 18:30:06 GMT
Just seen this gem on twitter... Has there been a worse game from a single player in the history of football?? And missed a penalty Paul Merson commentating on sky sports said he blasted it in the river trent
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Post by thevoid on Jan 13, 2021 19:04:52 GMT
It certainly put John Dreyer's performance against his old club Luton into perspective.
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Post by Caerwrangonpotter on Jan 13, 2021 19:12:59 GMT
Two of my favourite Walters goals came against Chelsea as well. The run from his own half where he left Luiz for dead, wrong-footed two defenders and shot past Cech, then this one off the bar vs Begovic in the League Cup Great game that, had the lot. If DeBruyne or whoever scored that goal then we would not hear the last of it. Absolute quality. Charlie scoring a penalty & Butland saving one....who would have thought it!
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Post by WorkingclassHero on Jan 13, 2021 19:35:11 GMT
He also kicked the ball into his own face at one point. Exactly what I remembered
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2021 20:15:46 GMT
We were unbeaten at home in the premier league before that game - 11 months since the last home league defeat (probably includes pre-season too) but were so bad for the 2nd half of the season that it was the end of Pulis. It was a great decision by the board (despite the lazy “be careful what you wish for” spouted by dogshit journalists and armchair pundits) and if they had timed the removal of Hughes correctly too, we might still be a premiership club.
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Post by jayscfc1863 on Jan 14, 2021 8:03:18 GMT
We were unbeaten at home in the premier league before that game - 11 months since the last home league defeat (probably includes pre-season too) but were so bad for the 2nd half of the season that it was the end of Pulis. It was a great decision by the board (despite the lazy “be careful what you wish for” spouted by dogshit journalists and armchair pundits) and if they had timed the removal of Hughes correctly too, we might still be a premiership club. Timed it right...or just not brought in Lambert Given the choice between him and Sparky I still think that we would have done better sticking with hughes and sacking him at the end of the season when we narrowly avoided relegation lol
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Post by Pugsley on Jan 14, 2021 8:21:40 GMT
We were unbeaten at home in the premier league before that game - 11 months since the last home league defeat (probably includes pre-season too) but were so bad for the 2nd half of the season that it was the end of Pulis. It was a great decision by the board (despite the lazy “be careful what you wish for” spouted by dogshit journalists and armchair pundits) and if they had timed the removal of Hughes correctly too, we might still be a premiership club. Timed it right...or just not brought in Lambert Given the choice between him and Sparky I still think that we would have done better sticking with hughes and sacking him at the end of the season when we narrowly avoided relegation lol Should have sacked Hughes in October or not at all that season. One bad decision followed another!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2021 8:47:40 GMT
It was Xabi Alonso or Maldini (I can't remember which or it may have been both ) that said if they make a tackle they've made a mistake. Maldini I think Best defender in my lifetime Who obviously, also talked a right load of shit
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Post by dirtygary69 on Jan 14, 2021 10:45:18 GMT
Yeah you shouldn't have to tear arse back and put in last ditch tackles, if your positioning is correct to start with. It was Xabi Alonso or Maldini (I can't remember which or it may have been both ) that said if they make a tackle they've made a mistake. Which is a load of bollocks, in fairness.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 14, 2021 11:17:15 GMT
It was Xabi Alonso or Maldini (I can't remember which or it may have been both ) that said if they make a tackle they've made a mistake. Which is a load of bollocks, in fairness. It really isn’t. Just shows a superior reading of the game.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Jan 14, 2021 12:40:15 GMT
Which is a load of bollocks, in fairness. It really isn’t. Just shows a superior reading of the game. So every time you see a player make a tackle on the pitch you just sit there and think, "Well he shouldn't have made a mistake in the first place"? It's bollocks, it really is.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 14, 2021 12:56:44 GMT
It really isn’t. Just shows a superior reading of the game. So every time you see a player make a tackle on the pitch you just sit there and think, "Well he shouldn't have made a mistake in the first place"? It's bollocks, it really is. No of course not, as I've said further up one of the things I love most in the game is a sliding tackle. But it does show a different side to it and how it is viewed on the continent. The best example of recent defenders that I can think of that I don't rate but people did and loved their last ditch tackles was Zouma. On the whole I did indeed think he was making fuck ups and was a pretty bad defender.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Jan 14, 2021 13:43:28 GMT
So every time you see a player make a tackle on the pitch you just sit there and think, "Well he shouldn't have made a mistake in the first place"? It's bollocks, it really is. No of course not, as I've said further up one of the things I love most in the game is a sliding tackle. But it does show a different side to it and how it is viewed on the continent. The best example of recent defenders that I can think of that I don't rate but people did and loved their last ditch tackles was Zouma. On the whole I did indeed think he was making fuck ups and was a pretty bad defender. Agreed. Some tackles are the result of bad defending and others are just good defending in themselves. I love a sliding tackle. Maldini probably didn't make as many tackles as someone like Zouma, you are right.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 14, 2021 13:51:06 GMT
I knew Alonso had said someone re tackling.
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Post by FranktheRabbit on Jan 14, 2021 14:32:59 GMT
I knew Alonso had said someone re tackling. I get what he was saying, but he's looking at it from the perspective of a world class DM. I think being a good tackler is something most defensive footballers should aspire to have in their game. A well timed last ditch slide tackle can be just as exciting as what happens up the other end of the pitch. Love it.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 14, 2021 14:38:18 GMT
I knew Alonso had said someone re tackling. I get what he was saying, but he's looking at it from the perspective of a world class DM. I think being a good tackler is something most defensive footballers should aspire to have in their game. A well timed last ditch slide tackle can be just as exciting as what happens up the other end of the pitch. Love it. Me too and I love doing them as well. But I do think he has a point. Delap has been the best DM I've seen for us and it was because of how he read the game and positioned himself. I think there's a lot in it.
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Post by FranktheRabbit on Jan 14, 2021 15:20:25 GMT
I get what he was saying, but he's looking at it from the perspective of a world class DM. I think being a good tackler is something most defensive footballers should aspire to have in their game. A well timed last ditch slide tackle can be just as exciting as what happens up the other end of the pitch. Love it. Me too and I love doing them as well. But I do think he has a point. Delap has been the best DM I've seen for us and it was because of how he read the game and positioned himself. I think there's a lot in it. Assuming you still play then? I played RB for 15 years but haven't stepped on an 11 a side pitch for about 10. Played only 6-8 a side since with standing tackles only . Partly due to the fact you need a skin graft any time a slide tackle is attempted. . There is a lot in it though you are right and there are a lot of aspects what make a great defensive footballer. It's definitely my favourite side of the game. Not that I don't enjoy watching the attacking side of it, but I am weirdly more likely to remember something we did really well defensively in a game than I am something attacking wise.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 14, 2021 15:23:31 GMT
Me too and I love doing them as well. But I do think he has a point. Delap has been the best DM I've seen for us and it was because of how he read the game and positioned himself. I think there's a lot in it. Assuming you still play then? I played RB for 15 years but haven't stepped on an 11 a side pitch for about 10. Played only 6-8 a side since with standing tackles only . Partly due to the fact you need a skin graft any time a slide tackle is attempted. . There is a lot in it though you are right and there are a lot of aspects what make a great defensive footballer. It's definitely my favourite side of the game. Not that I don't enjoy watching the attacking side of it, but I am weirdly more likely to remember something we did really well defensively in a game than I am something attacking wise. I'm the sort of idiot that does them on astroturf Haven't played in a couple of years tbh, mainly down to moving. No I agree, I love the defensive side of football and when I first the comments from Alonso I remember thinking he was talking shite tbh. But as I've got older and learnt more I can appreciate it.
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Post by roylandstoke on Jan 14, 2021 15:41:56 GMT
Pretty good goals to be fair.
Who doesn't love a diving header at the far post: "Get out of the way Mata, this one's mine!"
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 14, 2021 16:51:34 GMT
How many players have a PL hat-trick and a PL OG brace?
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Post by PotterLog on Jan 14, 2021 16:54:52 GMT
How many players have a PL hat-trick and a PL OG brace? I'm gonna hazard a guess at one.
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Post by PotterLog on Jan 14, 2021 16:57:27 GMT
On the tackling, it's definitely a very English obsession. Fetish, even. Your continental and your South American find the admiration of tackling as a skill in itself strange and puzzling. There isn't even a word for it in Spanish, now I think about it.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 14, 2021 16:59:12 GMT
How many players have a PL hat-trick and a PL OG brace? I'm gonna hazard a guess at one. I have no idea btw Just seems like an unlikely combination doesn't it
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