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Post by kingsman on Jan 10, 2021 13:00:20 GMT
Which comes first , the chicken or the egg ?
It could be MoN ,has become obsessed with clean sheets?
Or it could be ...he knows this team hasn't got lots of goals in it , and their only hope of a win ( or even a draw ), is to keep a clean sheet ?
In which case , he is simply realistic , rather than obsessive
We are not going up without our first choice attack of ... Powell Fletcher Campbell ...that's a fact
Is this actually MoN's fault ?
I am not sure it is .
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Post by questionable on Jan 10, 2021 13:04:17 GMT
Honestly I wouldn’t say he’s done a remarkable job, more along the lines of getting out the squad where they should be, it’s a bog standard limited squad of players albeit there’s a number of up and coming players who look promising who should be paired with good nurturing type older players, not the likes of Vokes and Batth.
We have to remember there’s nothing whatsoever to fear in this league yet ONeil approaches every single game as if we’re up against Premier League opposition, it’s farcical it really is.
He’s steadied the ship that’s about it no more no less.
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Post by onlyonesirstan on Jan 10, 2021 13:17:04 GMT
Never thought for one moment we would make the play offs we are just not good enough. I can see us ending up below half way this season. I think you may not be far off with that prediction |
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Post by spoton on Jan 10, 2021 13:41:03 GMT
My opinion is this the longer a team is in this or any league it gets harder to get promoted, ive watched Stoke for well over 50 years and i don't see them getting promoted for a good many years to come,again my view is this you need 3 things to work together to get you promoted
1st a good manager i don't class MON as good in saying that Pulis wasn't that good either but he had other things on his side that brings me to
2nd thing, you need at least 3 player's who can play regularly in a division above you and i don't mean loans Pulis had those and on the evidence of MON signings that's where they differ and
3rd you need a chairman or board who are ambitious unfortunately the Coates family are not that any longer (not blaming them), normally it's new blood that brings that, can you honestly say they would now be prepared to put in over 80 million to get their and stay i don't think so.
I realise this may seem negative but i class it as realistic
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Post by Silkystoke on Jan 10, 2021 13:47:22 GMT
We were kidding ourselves, we just ain’t good enough... 12/13th is our position... maybe next year, need 4/5 players who want to play for Stoke not the majority of the fukkas we have now..!!!
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Post by LankyPotter on Jan 10, 2021 13:47:24 GMT
The play-offs would be brilliant but hand on heart we are not ready as a club to compete in the premier league at the moment. There is still alot of improvement needed to compete in the division above.
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Post by spiderpuss on Jan 10, 2021 13:59:52 GMT
We still have 7 or more players whose combined transfer value is way above 50M not playing or contributing to the team. Until we sort out these transfers, then the team will tread water and playoffs will be an outside chance. All our players must be playing for us and the fact we still have Woods, Afobe and Ince on the books shows we've only touched the surface of shifting the deadwood. It's also a concern there's no news regarding Wimmer or Bauer, who seem to be happy bumming around in the U23s.
The team yesterday didn't seem competitive at-all and I'm sure MKDons would have given us a tough game, let alone high-flying Leicester. Thinking about it I'm happy we managed to bag early doors points as I think we will struggle in this second period.
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Post by medwaypotter on Jan 10, 2021 14:02:44 GMT
My opinion is this the longer a team is in this or any league it gets harder to get promoted, ive watched Stoke for well over 50 years and i don't see them getting promoted for a good many years to come,again my view is this you need 3 things to work together to get you promoted 1st a good manager i don't class MON as good in saying that Pulis wasn't that good either but he had other things on his side that brings me to 2nd thing, you need at least 3 player's who can play regularly in a division above you and i don't mean loans Pulis had those and on the evidence of MON signings that's where they differ and 3rd you need a chairman or board who are ambitious unfortunately the Coates family are not that any longer (not blaming them), normally it's new blood that brings that, can you honestly say they would now be prepared to put in over 80 million to get their and stay i don't think so. I realise this may seem negative but i class it as realistic You may want to consider FFP, or do some homework on its meaning. |
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Post by spoton on Jan 10, 2021 14:22:15 GMT
My opinion is this the longer a team is in this or any league it gets harder to get promoted, ive watched Stoke for well over 50 years and i don't see them getting promoted for a good many years to come,again my view is this you need 3 things to work together to get you promoted 1st a good manager i don't class MON as good in saying that Pulis wasn't that good either but he had other things on his side that brings me to 2nd thing, you need at least 3 player's who can play regularly in a division above you and i don't mean loans Pulis had those and on the evidence of MON signings that's where they differ and 3rd you need a chairman or board who are ambitious unfortunately the Coates family are not that any longer (not blaming them), normally it's new blood that brings that, can you honestly say they would now be prepared to put in over 80 million to get their and stay i don't think so. I realise this may seem negative but i class it as realistic You may want to consider FFP, or do some homework on its meaning. Unfortunately FFP Rules keep changing especially under the covid climate and will probably change again so its difficult to read up on the present rules especially where club's are reporting that their potential loss of future earnings unless you know more about the subject |
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Post by wearestoke80 on Jan 10, 2021 14:23:31 GMT
If we got promotion we’d come straight back down, we need 4 or 5 good players in atleast
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Post by Corned Beef Legs on Jan 10, 2021 14:40:26 GMT
We wasted a run of easier fixtures with some of the most negative displays we’ve seen since Rowett. I tend to agree, but in defence of the manager, if you were left with Vokes as your only out-and-out forward, you can understand why he'd want to go ultra-cautious. He's shit-scared to go a goal down, let alone two. It's not a great base to work & plan from. The horrendous injuries we've had have impacted, even Gregory being fit would improve us quite a bit up-top. We are where we are, relying largely on a striker that probably wouldn't get a start, in most Championship sides. If his name was Dave Smith, he'd be playing at Burton Albion, or somewhere. |
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Post by medwaypotter on Jan 10, 2021 14:58:10 GMT
You may want to consider FFP, or do some homework on its meaning. Unfortunately FFP Rules keep changing especially under the covid climate and will probably change again so its difficult to read up on the present rules especially where club's are reporting that their potential loss of future earnings unless you know more about the subject Whatever the current, future of past rules are, the Coates family spending 80 million won't be the way forward. |
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Post by 19notbeaten72 on Jan 10, 2021 15:39:47 GMT
My opinion is this the longer a team is in this or any league it gets harder to get promoted, ive watched Stoke for well over 50 years and i don't see them getting promoted for a good many years to come,again my view is this you need 3 things to work together to get you promoted 1st a good manager i don't class MON as good in saying that Pulis wasn't that good either but he had other things on his side that brings me to 2nd thing, you need at least 3 player's who can play regularly in a division above you and i don't mean loans Pulis had those and on the evidence of MON signings that's where they differ and 3rd you need a chairman or board who are ambitious unfortunately the Coates family are not that any longer (not blaming them), normally it's new blood that brings that, can you honestly say they would now be prepared to put in over 80 million to get their and stay i don't think so. I realise this may seem negative but i class it as realistic Totally agree with this the club still has problems right at the very top Coates & the family have done wonders but i have to agree they are not ambitious & have also made some really awful decisions over the last five or so years. I can see us being in the wilderness for many years unless changes are made. |
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Post by smudger46 on Jan 10, 2021 19:04:25 GMT
we are the nottm forest of last season, over achieving, we are tbh an average mid table team at the most.
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Post by christhepotter on Jan 10, 2021 19:09:39 GMT
If we got promotion we’d come straight back down, we need 4 or 5 good players in atleast Seriously if we did go up ( which I very much doubt ) I don’t see anyone of our players good enough for Premier league , we have some very good young ones but they’re not ready yet |
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Post by christhepotter on Jan 10, 2021 19:10:33 GMT
We wasted a run of easier fixtures with some of the most negative displays we’ve seen since Rowett. I tend to agree, but in defence of the manager, if you were left with Vokes as your only out-and-out forward, you can understand why he'd want to go ultra-cautious. He's shit-scared to go a goal down, let alone two. It's not a great base to work & plan from. The horrendous injuries we've had have impacted, even Gregory being fit would improve us quite a bit up-top. We are where we are, relying largely on a striker that probably wouldn't get a start, in most Championship sides. If his name was Dave Smith, he'd be playing at Burton Albion, or somewhere. He was negative before Ty’s injury , as been most the season |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2021 20:52:23 GMT
Totally agree.... we’re totally out of it now. 2 points adrift of the playoffs. Out the cup. Half the season to go. It’s shit....
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Post by mrsocko on Jan 10, 2021 20:57:58 GMT
Honestly I wouldn’t say he’s done a remarkable job, more along the lines of getting out the squad where they should be, it’s a bog standard limited squad of players albeit there’s a number of up and coming players who look promising who should be paired with good nurturing type older players, not the likes of Vokes and Batth. We have to remember there’s nothing whatsoever to fear in this league yet ONeil approaches every single game as if we’re up against Premier League opposition, it’s farcical it really is. He’s steadied the ship that’s about it no more no less. you wouldnt say getting a team who had won 2 and lost 11 of the first 15 games of the season up and then to be top half the season after isnt remarkable? we couldnt buy a win before he came in |
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Post by silsdenstokie on Jan 10, 2021 21:03:24 GMT
We are work in progress. You dont go from the shambles we were under Jones to a promotion winning outfit just like that. I said at the start of the year id be happy with upper midtable and id still be happy with that
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Post by Squeekster on Jan 10, 2021 21:04:54 GMT
2 points away they are defiantly getting away from us?
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Post by lordb on Jan 10, 2021 21:07:02 GMT
Which comes first , the chicken or the egg ? It could be MoN ,has become obsessed with clean sheets? Or it could be ...he knows this team hasn't got lots of goals in it , and their only hope of a win ( or even a draw ), is to keep a clean sheet ? In which case , he is simply realistic , rather than obsessive We are not going up without our first choice attack of ... Powell Fletcher Campbell ...that's a fact Is this actually MoN's fault ? I am not sure it is . The egg Another creature laid the egg |
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Post by Pugsley on Jan 10, 2021 21:08:24 GMT
If we got promotion we’d come straight back down, we need 4 or 5 good players in atleast Let's not bother then. |
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Post by chad on Jan 10, 2021 21:10:29 GMT
I don’t think it’s all over yet but it will be if we don’t get the right signings in quickly , and I mean this week
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Post by Pugsley on Jan 10, 2021 21:11:28 GMT
Irony of Stoke City supporters.... calling the manager negative whilst being the most negative bunch on the planet.
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Post by s8to on Jan 10, 2021 21:16:31 GMT
If we got promotion we’d come straight back down, we need 4 or 5 good players in atleast Seriously if we did go up ( which I very much doubt ) I don’t see anyone of our players good enough for Premier league , we have some very good young ones but they’re not ready yet ... but if we did go up, we could dip back in on parachute payments and at least reset the cycle... as it stands we will be dead in the water after this season FFP wise... |
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Post by wearestoke80 on Jan 10, 2021 22:46:35 GMT
Irony of Stoke City supporters.... calling the manager negative whilst being the most negative bunch on the planet. Probably because the football is shit ? What do expect fucking cartwheels? |
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Post by hotpot on Jan 11, 2021 4:59:21 GMT
We need to change our game and maybe get back to basics. Stop thinking about wing backs and building from the back. The main idea is to score and we will only score if we get into scoring positions. Our current midfield is dreadfully slow and with a striker like Vokes, leading the line, ... we may as well not play. Perhaps, the only way to try get to the playoffs is to park the bus, stack the defence and play as if we had Peter Crouch alone upfront. I wanna see our defence keep hoofing the ball into the other side's penalty box, not stringing unnecessary pretty passes in the middle before launching an attack. Can Rory and Ryan help the team out? They know how it works ......
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Post by upthefud on Jan 11, 2021 7:07:23 GMT
My opinion is this the longer a team is in this or any league it gets harder to get promoted, ive watched Stoke for well over 50 years and i don't see them getting promoted for a good many years to come,again my view is this you need 3 things to work together to get you promoted 1st a good manager i don't class MON as good in saying that Pulis wasn't that good either but he had other things on his side that brings me to 2nd thing, you need at least 3 player's who can play regularly in a division above you and i don't mean loans Pulis had those and on the evidence of MON signings that's where they differ and 3rd you need a chairman or board who are ambitious unfortunately the Coates family are not that any longer (not blaming them), normally it's new blood that brings that, can you honestly say they would now be prepared to put in over 80 million to get their and stay i don't think so. I realise this may seem negative but i class it as realistic One of the most baffling posts I’ve seen on this site - congrats 1. Both MON and Pulis are/were damn good managers 2. Bursik Souttar Collins Chester Allen Clucas Campbell Fletcher are on a par with Simo Shawcross Cort Delap Lawrence Cresswell Mama and Fuller. (I’ve left Whelan our as he hadn’t signed by this point in Jan) 3. That comment is fucking bonkers. Fuck me. Most expensive team in the history of any second division anywhere in the world. He’s spent more on bad players but no one has even given more to SCFC than the Coates family. Do you really think he’d be opening the wallet in Jan if we were giving up on promotion? |
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Post by Lost in Translation on Jan 11, 2021 8:09:21 GMT
There are no goals in the team.
Every player should do at least one of these things:
- score goals
- make goals
- stop goals
We’ve got too many players who don’t do any of the above.
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Post by Gods on Jan 11, 2021 8:15:05 GMT
2 points away they are defiantly getting away from us? Was thinking more about our trajectory. We were briefly top or 2nd top I don't remember which when we led against Cardiff. We're now 12 points adrift. For sure the play-offs have not yet gone but I'm struggling to see where the next goal is coming from. |
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