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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Jan 10, 2021 0:38:59 GMT
I hope a seagull shits on him, and while the majority of it goes on the shoulder of his coat, some of it flicks into his ear canal, which he considers to be extremely icky, and an inconvenience to remove until he can acquire a cotton bud.
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Post by mickstupp on Jan 10, 2021 0:40:04 GMT
Ok well if we have a “meet the manager night” then I look forward to you being in attendance and telling him just that. To be fair mate I’m a big fan of the manager, not so much bayernoatcake😏. But on this occasion I have to agree with bayern. I have no argument really. I’ve watched the same games as you have recently and it’s been excruciatingly poor. I just think he’s been tactically backed into a corner with injuries to key players in key areas.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 10, 2021 0:40:35 GMT
There are easy runs though and we just had one and failed to capitalise. The manager shat himself. Ok well if we have a “meet the manager night” then I look forward to you being in attendance and telling him just that. What kind of a response is that? 😂 This reticence that MON can’t do anything wrong is really fucking odd.
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Post by iglugluk on Jan 10, 2021 0:42:49 GMT
To keep on picking Vokes is clutching at straws too,unfortunately. It's a rock and a hard place and the previous managers are the primary culprits.. that said MoN seems to be worryingly devoid of ideas atm. Never watched NI under his managership.. where they equally defensive and boring? Anyone? Pretty much but it was better than this shite Thanks for the answer.. I think?!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 10, 2021 0:43:20 GMT
To be fair mate I’m a big fan of the manager, not so much bayernoatcake😏. But on this occasion I have to agree with bayern. I have no argument really. I’ve watched the same games as you have recently and it’s been excruciatingly poor. I just think he’s been tactically backed into a corner with key injuries to key players in key areas. They clearly haven’t helped but he’s had options and got it wrong. McClean has been the worst player in this system but he persists with him. He isn’t a wing back but persists with really bad performances over trying another makeshift idea. That’s bad management. Doing the same thing over and expecting different results. The other options aren’t ideal, no one is saying they are but they’re worth a shot when we’ve been as dreary as we have this last month. That said I think we’ve been boring as fuck for most of the season 😂
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Jan 10, 2021 1:58:01 GMT
That's exactly why we're so poor on corners.....other than Batth, we've got no one who attacks the ball, it's almost like they're waiting for it to drop on their head!!! Very true. I miss the days when huth and Ryan battered players to get on the end of anything. Loved it infact Huth was awesome at it, 9 goals in one season from a defender is some going, albeit they weren't all from set pieces and with his head, but still a great return for a defender!!! 👍🏼
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Post by a on Jan 10, 2021 2:09:59 GMT
Very true. I miss the days when huth and Ryan battered players to get on the end of anything. Loved it infact Huth was awesome at it, 9 goals in one season from a defender is some going, albeit they weren't all from set pieces and with his head, but still a great return for a defender!!! 👍🏼 Mate it was mad. I’m digging into the corners of my mind but was it only ever beaten by I think terry? Could be way off but even if I’m wrong huth and Ryan were frightening and we all loved it. Great times
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Post by 1982stokie on Jan 10, 2021 9:23:21 GMT
Brown is better up front than on the wing. He’s better than Vokes up front considerably. Powell is better up front. To persist with Vokes when we can play either and decent attacking wingers is very bad management. Powell is injured Brown is dire. You’ve admitted it yourself on many occasions. He literally had no choice today. I dare say he rates Vokes about as highly as the rest of us do. Could he not give an under 23 lad a go, we have nothing to loose, if he does and the young lad is completely out of his depth and ineffective he will be the same as with Vokes, if he makes an impact then it’s a huge boost.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2021 9:28:42 GMT
694 minutes on the pitch in 15 matches Whilst he has been on the pitch we have scored only 4 goals, 1 he scored at Villa, and in three other games (Watford, Norwich and Forest) he happened to be on the pitch. In those games we have scored 17 goals. In games he has appeared we have won 5, drawn 3 and lost 7 Without him we are far more creative and have more chance of scoring when he isn’t on the pitch. Makes you cry when you realise how much he cost and how much we’re paying him Can someone tell the manager..... Without him we - currently - have no one! Is that what you prefer...
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Post by chad on Jan 10, 2021 9:35:13 GMT
In the absence of anyone else I’d give Collins a game up front. He’s decent on the ball and good in the air. Not pacey but a dam sight quicker than the Wardrobe We’ve got plenty of cover at cente back
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2021 9:41:43 GMT
694 minutes on the pitch in 15 matches Whilst he has been on the pitch we have scored only 4 goals, 1 he scored at Villa, and in three other games (Watford, Norwich and Forest) he happened to be on the pitch. In those games we have scored 17 goals. In games he has appeared we have won 5, drawn 3 and lost 7 Without him we are far more creative and have more chance of scoring when he isn’t on the pitch. Makes you cry when you realise how much he cost and how much we’re paying him Can someone tell the manager..... Without him we - currently - have no one! Is that what you prefer... Any bugger would be better then Vokes. He's plainly been given his chance and he offers nothing at all. I'd be interested to know how much weight he has put on. He just doesnt look fit. I think he realises that he's well over the hill. Time to move on and try ANYONE else - Verlinden is the obvious one. Pace is the factor that you need, and scares defences. So anyone with pace would mean oppositions defence would have to rethink. Manager seems to indicate he isnt doing it in training but IS VOKES?
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Post by TinkerT on Jan 10, 2021 9:46:14 GMT
Powell up top for me, with allen behind pressing and TV and rabbi on other wing. Would it happen? Never.
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Post by Goonie on Jan 10, 2021 9:52:11 GMT
We could have signed Pukki, Armstrong and Tony combined for around half the price as Vokes cost. Wow! How depressing! Personally though we should delete this thread because any other club reading this will never want him!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2021 11:03:54 GMT
Without him we - currently - have no one! Is that what you prefer... Any bugger would be better then Vokes. He's plainly been given his chance and he offers nothing at all. I'd be interested to know how much weight he has put on. He just doesnt look fit. I think he realises that he's well over the hill. Time to move on and try ANYONE else - Verlinden is the obvious one. Pace is the factor that you need, and scares defences. So anyone with pace would mean oppositions defence would have to rethink. Manager seems to indicate he isnt doing it in training but IS VOKES? Verlinden or Vokes? Pace vs wardrobe? The manager appears to have made a choice for the latter. Actually I'd like to see them both together. I don't share your view that he's overweight at all. nor that he doesn't offer anthing. The reaction from his team mates tell you that. He's been starved of proper service and has never been allowed to settle in the team. in one game, then out the next. It's no wonder he's short of confidence. If he was getting service from both Matondi and Verlinden he'd still be able to knock in a few. Although I'd swap him for a better striker any time...
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Post by redwhitesingfight on Jan 10, 2021 11:12:40 GMT
Know this may be a controversial or divisive suggestion but surely if we'd of played Tom Ince as a striker in the games Vokes has played since Campbell got injured he'd of yielded more goals or assists?! Don't get me wrong I think Ince has been a big disappointment for us during his time at Stoke but we have seen him score a few tidy finishes (Derby (H), Reading (A) Charlton (A) ) in that time so he does have the ability to unleash a good shot & at least has pace which could trouble defenders. For a start I bet he'd of scored the penalty that Vokes fluffed! Maybe I'm clutching at straws but unless we can bring a different striker option in anytime soon, I'd give Ince a run as a striker instead of his usual winger role, surely he'd be more effective than Vokes has proven to be?! Just thinking aloud, but what else can we try as Vokes clearly isn't the answer or a solution going forward. Desperate times when we are thinking Ince is the solution to anything.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jan 10, 2021 11:15:52 GMT
Ok well if we have a “meet the manager night” then I look forward to you being in attendance and telling him just that. What kind of a response is that? 😂 This reticence that MON can’t do anything wrong is really fucking odd. It's about as odd as repeatedly calling a manager a coward, negative, and generally questioning everything he does whilst still maintaining you think he's a good manager. It takes all sorts I guess........
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Post by crapslinger on Jan 10, 2021 11:21:11 GMT
694 minutes on the pitch in 15 matches Whilst he has been on the pitch we have scored only 4 goals, 1 he scored at Villa, and in three other games (Watford, Norwich and Forest) he happened to be on the pitch. In those games we have scored 17 goals. In games he has appeared we have won 5, drawn 3 and lost 7 Without him we are far more creative and have more chance of scoring when he isn’t on the pitch. Makes you cry when you realise how much he cost and how much we’re paying him Can someone tell the manager..... Without him we - currently - have no one! Is that what you prefer... What does he contribute to the team other than taking up a 10yard radius of the pitch ? he's up there with the worst signings the process has supplied and that is some achievement.
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Post by xchpotter on Jan 10, 2021 11:45:02 GMT
Still can’t believe that miss yesterday. Even if he had shinned it, it would’ve gone in. It reminded me of the John Smiths advert with Peter Kay......”Av it!”.
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Post by callas12 on Jan 10, 2021 11:49:33 GMT
Know this may be a controversial or divisive suggestion but surely if we'd of played Tom Ince as a striker in the games Vokes has played since Campbell got injured he'd of yielded more goals or assists?! Don't get me wrong I think Ince has been a big disappointment for us during his time at Stoke but we have seen him score a few tidy finishes (Derby (H), Reading (A) Charlton (A) ) in that time so he does have the ability to unleash a good shot & at least has pace which could trouble defenders. For a start I bet he'd of scored the penalty that Vokes fluffed! Maybe I'm clutching at straws but unless we can bring a different striker option in anytime soon, I'd give Ince a run as a striker instead of his usual winger role, surely he'd be more effective than Vokes has proven to be?! Just thinking aloud, but what else can we try as Vokes clearly isn't the answer or a solution going forward. Desperate times when we are thinking Ince is the solution to anything. Yeah sadly so.. A couple of glasses of wine probably hadn't helped me trying to figure a way out of this lack of goals mess either! Although even if Ince had scored one in the period we'd been relying on Vokes it would of been an improvement.. of sorts!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2021 14:48:40 GMT
We could have signed Pukki, Armstrong and Tony combined for around half the price as Vokes cost. Wow! How depressing! Personally though we should delete this thread because any other club reading this will never want him! They just need to watch him play I think! I'm sure with 5 minutes research they'd be looking elsewhere. The only query would be to double check that he cost us £7million!
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Post by thevoid on Jan 10, 2021 15:00:02 GMT
Vokes' highlights reel, just in case any possible suitors are reading this
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Post by crapslinger on Jan 10, 2021 15:16:04 GMT
Wow! How depressing! Personally though we should delete this thread because any other club reading this will never want him! They just need to watch him play I think! I'm sure with 5 minutes research they'd be looking elsewhere. The only query would be to double check that he cost us £7million! Plus Crouch
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Post by mickstupp on Jan 10, 2021 15:35:06 GMT
They just need to watch him play I think! I'm sure with 5 minutes research they'd be looking elsewhere. The only query would be to double check that he cost us £7million! Plus Crouch Plus £30k a week in wages
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jan 10, 2021 15:41:20 GMT
Vokes' highlights reel, just in case any possible suitors are reading this Nice one, enjoyed that👍🏻
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Post by crapslinger on Jan 10, 2021 15:51:47 GMT
Vokes' highlights reel, just in case any possible suitors are reading this Nice one, enjoyed that👍🏻 Even the paint runs more than him.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jan 10, 2021 15:54:06 GMT
Even the paint runs more than him. Maybe MON could artex his boots
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Post by mickstupp on Jan 10, 2021 15:56:56 GMT
694 minutes on the pitch in 15 matches Whilst he has been on the pitch we have scored only 4 goals, 1 he scored at Villa, and in three other games (Watford, Norwich and Forest) he happened to be on the pitch. In those games we have scored 17 goals. In games he has appeared we have won 5, drawn 3 and lost 7 Without him we are far more creative and have more chance of scoring when he isn’t on the pitch. Makes you cry when you realise how much he cost and how much we’re paying him Can someone tell the manager..... Out of interest, what are Browns stats by means of comparison? I was told on this thread earlier that he is “considerably better” than Vokes.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2021 16:20:23 GMT
Without him we - currently - have no one! Is that what you prefer... What does he contribute to the team other than taking up a 10yard radius of the pitch ? he's up there with the worst signings the process has supplied and that is some achievement. He used to have a lot of good combination balls last season with Powell and Campbell, but with latter out and the former deployed deeper, we haven't seen it this seaason. He also does a lot of off the ball running which potentially creates space for others to exploit, only few or none take up the offer. In the Forest game he frequently switched into upper midfield positions, which potientially opens space for his partner, although if said partner is 30 yards behind, all of that running becomes futile. There does not appear to be any specifics put down in the day's tactical plans, which exposes both the player and the manager. You get the feeling that MON tells him "Go on, Sam" and nothing else.
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