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Post by lordb on Jan 6, 2021 18:08:41 GMT
Swap is a great idea but we're then factoring in a) Lindsey wants to go there And B) they can afford to pay him what he wants. I doubt very much they can afford his wages. A loan as part of the deal might be on the cards?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2021 18:09:51 GMT
Package Deal!! Well we have a good idea where Verlinden will be playing 2nd half of season. Read their forum yesterday and more than a few of them were saying it would mean Lindsay is going in the other direction. But from our point of view, it would probably make more sense to send them Verlinden. Decent League 1 side and he'll get game time there. From Verlinden's point of view it's not a good move. He wants to put himself up for selection for the Belgium team, and he has no future at Stoke while MON is boss (which you'd assume he will be for at least 18 months, when TV's contract is up), so there is absolutely no point for him to drop down a division. He'll be hoping a Belgian club comes in for him, but the problem, as with all our unwanted players, is will he accept lower wages.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2021 18:16:41 GMT
I doubt very much they can afford his wages. A loan as part of the deal might be on the cards? Not if we want to put an end to paying other clubs' wages, which is discussed earlier in this or another thread.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 7, 2021 9:18:03 GMT
londonnewsonline.co.uk/charlton-boss-lee-bowyer-claims-ultimatums-issued-over-alfie-doughty-as-winger-the-subject-of-transfer-tussle/Lee Bowyer says Charlton will not be rushed into a deal for Alfie Doughty – with at least one other unnamed club joining the chase for the winger. Stoke City made their move for the 21-year-old this week with Addicks owner Thomas Sandgaard confirming they were in discussions. But the US-based Dane also told our paper that there was rival interest for Doughty, whose terms run out at the end of June. Scottish side Celtic had failed with a number of offers at the end of the last transfer window. Doughty is not expected to return from a torn hamstring until the end of February. Bowyer said: “I don’t know why it has to move quickly. I don’t think there is any rush. The agent is trying to rush it through – he tried to give us an ultimatum yesterday of 24 hours. Then it was 12 hours. “I think it will happen when the time is right and the deal is right for the football club. We want the right deal and if we get that it will happen quickly – if we don’t then it won’t. “Agents, and I’m not just talking about Alfie’s, they think they own players and not the club. They try and make those threats ‘you’ve got 24 hours or I take him cross-border’. Come on, you can take him cross-border on February 1 or March 1. Why do you have to do it now? They are just threats to get the deal done. “But for us as a club, we have to make sure that this is the best deal we can get. That’s what we’re doing. “There is more than one club interested in him. Again we will get the best deal we can for the club. We’ll sit down with Alfie and see what he thinks. That’s the right thing to do.”
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Jan 7, 2021 9:26:58 GMT
This will run until the end of the window as he's not even fit to play for weeks after that. Sit back and enjoy Matondo tearing it up for a while
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Post by colinroberts1 on Jan 7, 2021 10:21:52 GMT
£650000 is six figures, where have the Sentinel got their 7 figures from? The £ sign isn't a figure. Don't know much about this lad but seems like the sort of player we should be looking at to rebuild our squad for a push at the play -off this season and maybe more next season. Gouranga. [/quote Think it’s a 7figure package £650,000 then add ons 👍
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2021 23:34:25 GMT
Read their forum yesterday and more than a few of them were saying it would mean Lindsay is going in the other direction. But from our point of view, it would probably make more sense to send them Verlinden. Decent League 1 side and he'll get game time there. From Verlinden's point of view it's not a good move. He wants to put himself up for selection for the Belgium team, and he has no future at Stoke while MON is boss (which you'd assume he will be for at least 18 months, when TV's contract is up), so there is absolutely no point for him to drop down a division. He'll be hoping a Belgian club comes in for him, but the problem, as with all our unwanted players, is will he accept lower wages. Veelinden has zero chance of getting into a Belgian side.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 7, 2021 23:42:28 GMT
From Verlinden's point of view it's not a good move. He wants to put himself up for selection for the Belgium team, and he has no future at Stoke while MON is boss (which you'd assume he will be for at least 18 months, when TV's contract is up), so there is absolutely no point for him to drop down a division. He'll be hoping a Belgian club comes in for him, but the problem, as with all our unwanted players, is will he accept lower wages. Veelinden has zero chance of getting into a Belgian side. He's made 50 appearances for their underage sides....he must be wank.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2021 0:28:35 GMT
Can't see who said Verlinden was 'wank' just no chance of getting into a great current Belgian squad. Blatantly obvious. I know it's a confusing comment for some to grasp it seems.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2021 5:41:46 GMT
From Verlinden's point of view it's not a good move. He wants to put himself up for selection for the Belgium team, and he has no future at Stoke while MON is boss (which you'd assume he will be for at least 18 months, when TV's contract is up), so there is absolutely no point for him to drop down a division. He'll be hoping a Belgian club comes in for him, but the problem, as with all our unwanted players, is will he accept lower wages. Veelinden has zero chance of getting into a Belgian side. According to the Belgium manager, Roberto Martinez, Thibo has a great chance, and he might just have a whole lot more to say about it than some zero named jesusmcmuffin...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2021 7:28:28 GMT
Veelinden has zero chance of getting into a Belgian side. According to the Belgium manager, Roberto Martinez, Thibo has a great chance, and he might just have a whole lot more to say about it than some zero named jesusmcmuffin... . Move along...it's feeding time At this rate someone who thinks there's a club called Luton Orient will be agreeing with you. Need I say more? :-)
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Post by robwahlmann on Jan 8, 2021 7:45:03 GMT
I sort of feel Verlinden is becoming this messageboard's new Bojan! I don't say he hasn't got potential, but he might not be as ready as a lot think he is. MON sees him in training every day and is not impressed enough to give him time on the pitch. People can hardly say that MON is reluctant to give younger players a chance, so there is obviously something about Verlinden that makes him hesitate. I myself have seen too little of him to form a strong opinion about this player, but he seems willing to take on defenders and get crosses into the box. Right now it seems difficult for McClean to do this so there must be other aspects that come into consideration, and I guess this is his ability to defend as well. In a modern game and for most sides all the players must defend and it starts from the front. As said I haven't seen enough of Verlinden myself to assess the player thoroughly, but I have great respect for MON and the work he has done with our club, so when he feels Verlinden isn't ready he probably isn't.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2021 7:53:08 GMT
I sort of feel Verlinden is becoming this messageboard's new Bojan! I don't say he hasn't got potential, but he might not be as ready as a lot think he is. MON sees him in training every day and is not impressed enough to give him time on the pitch. People can hardly say that MON is reluctant to give younger players a chance, so there is obviously something about Verlinden that makes him hesitate. I myself have seen too little of him to form a strong opinion about this player, but he seems willing to take on defenders and get crosses into the box. Right now it seems difficult for McClean to do this so there must be other aspects that come into consideration, and I guess this is his ability to defend as well. In a modern game and for most sides all the players must defend and it starts from the front. As said I haven't seen enough of Verlinden myself to assess the player thoroughly, but I have great respect for MON and the work he has done with our club, so when he feels Verlinden isn't ready he probably isn't. Certainly has potential but Ollie Shenton, N'Goy and a list before them. Some just follow the crowd and get this idea in their head that these players are something they're not and repeat the same old. MON transformed Campbell for me, was a raw talent who needed work and improved him in so many areas. Those repeatedly calling for Verlinden and making up comments to try and back up their argument obviously know better than an experienced manager who works with him daily of course.
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Post by Ron on Jan 8, 2021 8:00:11 GMT
I sort of feel Verlinden is becoming this messageboard's new Bojan! I don't say he hasn't got potential, but he might not be as ready as a lot think he is. MON sees him in training every day and is not impressed enough to give him time on the pitch. People can hardly say that MON is reluctant to give younger players a chance, so there is obviously something about Verlinden that makes him hesitate. I myself have seen too little of him to form a strong opinion about this player, but he seems willing to take on defenders and get crosses into the box. Right now it seems difficult for McClean to do this so there must be other aspects that come into consideration, and I guess this is his ability to defend as well. In a modern game and for most sides all the players must defend and it starts from the front. As said I haven't seen enough of Verlinden myself to assess the player thoroughly, but I have great respect for MON and the work he has done with our club, so when he feels Verlinden isn't ready he probably isn't. Certainly has potential but Ollie Shenton, N'Goy and a list before them. Some just follow the crowd and get this idea in their head that these players are something they're not and repeat the same old. MON transformed Campbell for me, was a raw talent who needed work and improved him in so many areas. Those repeatedly calling for Verlinden and making up comments to try and back up their argument obviously know better than an experienced manager who works with him daily of course. [br The thing is , unlike the afformentioend Shenton and Ngoy we have all seen what Verlinden can do... he has started games of football for us and looked positive and a threat. He started against Preston and was doing ok on the night he got injured. As result of what folk have seen they, understandably , question why he’s not considered or selected more when we’ve been having to put up with Vokes , Brown and Ince. He more ability than the 3 of them.
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Post by LGH87 on Jan 8, 2021 8:01:52 GMT
The issue is, in a side that struggles so bad for creativity, pace & goal, when you've got a young lad getting assists every game for the u23's, beating men and whipping great crosses in with either foot you can understand fans frustrations.
Especially after enduring another 90 minutes of McClean either over hitting or hitting the first man with his crosses and the ball routinely bouncing off Jacob Brown as he does his best impression of an excited dog chasing a balloon.
It's easy to forget he has already turned in a MOM performance for the first team and has never looked out of place when called upon.
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Post by rorystowel on Jan 8, 2021 8:22:32 GMT
The issue is, in a side that struggles so bad for creativity, pace & goal, when you've got a young lad getting assists every game for the u23's, beating men and whipping great crosses in with either foot you can understand fans frustrations. Especially after enduring another 90 minutes of McClean either over hitting or hitting the first man with his crosses and the ball routinely bouncing off Jacob Brown as he does his best impression of an excited dog chasing a balloon. It's easy to forget he has already turned in a MOM performance for the first team and has never looked out of place when called upon. I can only assume that in training sessions MON isn’t impressed with TV’s tracking back (or maybe the lack of?) when we don’t have possession, compared to Jimmy Mac. Who knows, but clearly he’s an attacking player who is not being selected for our overly defensive team. Certainly TV’s attacking skills look likely to be much more of a threat than what we’re currently putting out on the pitch.
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Post by chiswickpotter on Jan 8, 2021 8:22:45 GMT
The issue is, in a side that struggles so bad for creativity, pace & goal, when you've got a young lad getting assists every game for the u23's, beating men and whipping great crosses in with either foot you can understand fans frustrations. Especially after enduring another 90 minutes of McClean either over hitting or hitting the first man with his crosses and the ball routinely bouncing off Jacob Brown as he does his best impression of an excited dog chasing a balloon. It's easy to forget he has already turned in a MOM performance for the first team and has never looked out of place when called upon. But that ignores the facts that first MON seems very willing to back youth and second has every incentive to pick Verlinden if he improves the team. The fact he has signed a new player who appears very similar to Verlinden feels like the end of this story. He has only made 13 appearances for Stoke City, mainly as a sub and while there were a few promising signs it seems having seen him play for about 100 to 200 times more minutes than any of us on this board, MON doesn’t think he is the solution that the team needs. Time to move on
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jan 8, 2021 8:23:45 GMT
Verlinden is a top talent, you only have to watch the under 23's to see he sticks out like a sore thumb for being levels better than anyone else. The problem is, I can acknowledge as a fan of his that his decision making is still very haphazard and you've got to think that's the reason MON doesn't play him.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 8, 2021 8:48:51 GMT
We watch a side that doesn’t attack very well and one of the things it’s struggles most with is crossing.
I can’t imagine why people would want a winger playing who attacks his full back and is an accurate crossed playing.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 8, 2021 8:50:53 GMT
The issue is, in a side that struggles so bad for creativity, pace & goal, when you've got a young lad getting assists every game for the u23's, beating men and whipping great crosses in with either foot you can understand fans frustrations. Especially after enduring another 90 minutes of McClean either over hitting or hitting the first man with his crosses and the ball routinely bouncing off Jacob Brown as he does his best impression of an excited dog chasing a balloon. It's easy to forget he has already turned in a MOM performance for the first team and has never looked out of place when called upon. But that ignores the facts that first MON seems very willing to back youth and second has every incentive to pick Verlinden if he improves the team. The fact he has signed a new player who appears very similar to Verlinden feels like the end of this story. He has only made 13 appearances for Stoke City, mainly as a sub and while there were a few promising signs it seems having seen him play for about 100 to 200 times more minutes than any of us on this board, MON doesn’t think he is the solution that the team needs. Time to move on I don’t think they do seem similar. Verlinden has end product. This new fella has all the question marks over him around that. And the new fella is a speed merchant, Verlinden has a turn of pace but is more about skill. They would compliment each other really well tbh.
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Post by pottersrule on Jan 8, 2021 9:01:45 GMT
Verlinden is a top talent, you only have to watch the under 23's to see he sticks out like a sore thumb for being levels better than anyone else. The problem is, I can acknowledge as a fan of his that his decision making is still very haphazard and you've got to think that's the reason MON doesn't play him. That would be a sensible assumption.The manager obviously feels other players will benefit the team in a more positive way. There is no clandestine reasoning for not selecting Verlinden other than MON feeling that there are more effective players to choose from.
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Post by bgreen13 on Jan 8, 2021 9:02:53 GMT
Deploy Verlinden!
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Post by pottersrule on Jan 8, 2021 9:04:05 GMT
But that ignores the facts that first MON seems very willing to back youth and second has every incentive to pick Verlinden if he improves the team. The fact he has signed a new player who appears very similar to Verlinden feels like the end of this story. He has only made 13 appearances for Stoke City, mainly as a sub and while there were a few promising signs it seems having seen him play for about 100 to 200 times more minutes than any of us on this board, MON doesn’t think he is the solution that the team needs. Time to move on I don’t think they do seem similar. Verlinden has end product. This new fella has all the question marks over him around that. And the new fella is a speed merchant, Verlinden has a turn of pace but is more about skill. They would compliment each other really well tbh. Hopefully they will get a chance tomorrow,
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 8, 2021 9:04:26 GMT
I love the comparison to Bojan too.
A player that was used pretty criminally by countless managers as we struggled and finally got relegated playing shite football. 😂
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 8, 2021 9:23:13 GMT
Can't see who said Verlinden was 'wank' just no chance of getting into a great current Belgian squad. Blatantly obvious. I know it's a confusing comment for some to grasp it seems. But he's got into 'a' Belgian national side 50 times or so, so you were talking out of your arse?
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Post by chiswickpotter on Jan 8, 2021 9:32:02 GMT
But that ignores the facts that first MON seems very willing to back youth and second has every incentive to pick Verlinden if he improves the team. The fact he has signed a new player who appears very similar to Verlinden feels like the end of this story. He has only made 13 appearances for Stoke City, mainly as a sub and while there were a few promising signs it seems having seen him play for about 100 to 200 times more minutes than any of us on this board, MON doesn’t think he is the solution that the team needs. Time to move on I don’t think they do seem similar. Verlinden has end product. This new fella has all the question marks over him around that. And the new fella is a speed merchant, Verlinden has a turn of pace but is more about skill. They would compliment each other really well tbh. Both prefer playing wide left that seems pretty similar to me. Long run only one slot available with Campbell on the right. Feels like a decision has been made
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Post by MilanStokie on Jan 8, 2021 9:34:03 GMT
The issue is, in a side that struggles so bad for creativity, pace & goal, when you've got a young lad getting assists every game for the u23's, beating men and whipping great crosses in with either foot you can understand fans frustrations. Especially after enduring another 90 minutes of McClean either over hitting or hitting the first man with his crosses and the ball routinely bouncing off Jacob Brown as he does his best impression of an excited dog chasing a balloon. It's easy to forget he has already turned in a MOM performance for the first team and has never looked out of place when called upon. I can only assume that in training sessions MON isn’t impressed with TV’s tracking back (or maybe the lack of?) when we don’t have possession, compared to Jimmy Mac. Who knows, but clearly he’s an attacking player who is not being selected for our overly defensive team. Certainly TV’s attacking skills look likely to be much more of a threat than what we’re currently putting out on the pitch. From what I have seen, he appears to be pretty good in the channels. I haven't the remotest idea as to why he isn't getting much gametime.
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Post by potterrotter on Jan 8, 2021 9:34:23 GMT
Think it would be nice to see TV play some part in tomorrow's match. What do we have to lose. We're never going to win the cup and I'd rather concentrate on the league.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 8, 2021 9:49:03 GMT
I don’t think they do seem similar. Verlinden has end product. This new fella has all the question marks over him around that. And the new fella is a speed merchant, Verlinden has a turn of pace but is more about skill. They would compliment each other really well tbh. Both prefer playing wide left that seems pretty similar to me. Long run only one slot available with Campbell on the right. Feels like a decision has been made I think we need at least 3 front line wingers tbh. Campbell has over played this season, it shouldn't happen if you have the players you trust. He clearly doesn't trust Verlinden and that's fine, misguided but fine. So we need other players. But there's definitely room for them all as Verlinden can play either side equally well and use both feet equally well for crossing at least.
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Post by Veritas on Jan 8, 2021 10:00:34 GMT
Both prefer playing wide left that seems pretty similar to me. Long run only one slot available with Campbell on the right. Feels like a decision has been made I think we need at least 3 front line wingers tbh. Campbell has over played this season, it shouldn't happen if you have the players you trust. He clearly doesn't trust Verlinden and that's fine, misguided but fine. So we need other players. But there's definitely room for them all as Verlinden can play either side equally well and use both feet equally well for crossing at least. I agree about needing 3 in the long run when Campbell is back but 2 is ok for now and importantly we really need a left back to allow them to flourish in a 442/433/4231 system. Therefore cover/replacement for Fox has to be the immediate priority and then the small matter of a regular goal scorer.
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