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Post by logdog on Jan 22, 2021 17:10:03 GMT
I think the concern isn't so much that his career might be at risk, but that he might be significantly diminished by it. Hopefully he won't be. I still don't understand the worry. We've taken bigger risks on far more expensive players both fee and wages wise. Every player you buy or invest in in the academy could end up being not worth the effort or money. I can remember young fit players we've bought thought would be the next big thing who have never achieved our expectations. I'm sure we spent more on Verlinden and N'goy's development than the alleged £650,000 transfer fee. Spot on mate. I suppose in some ways it’s a bit like when TP used to make his ‘dog’s home’ signings. A club like us has to gamble on these kind of players. Chucking money at it hasn’t got us very far.This lad is hopefully young enough to recover from his injury and then good enough to do the business for us.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 22, 2021 17:10:11 GMT
It needs saying. The "pick me bayern" competition that pads out every other thread is by far the most tiresome element of this messageboard and it has been, on and off, for the best part of a decade. People know he'll respond - as he has every right to - so when they see his name certain posters start lining up to tell him how wrong he is on every tiny detail, even on the most innocuous and uncontroversial points that have been made many times over by other people without issue. The irony is those same posters then accuse *him* of attention seeking. They actually think the reason that threads devolve into the bayern show is because of him. It's because of them. (and yes I'm aware I'm now contributing to it, tee hee. It's a point that needs making because it's an obstacle to proper conversation/debate on here. People need to stop getting so horny for him, he is but a man.) While you are right mate, responding to him does just play into his hands and ‘fan the flames’, (of which I admit to being guilty!’. And as irritating as it is when threads descend into the Bayern show, this is in fact a message board that is open for anyone to debate on as long as it’s in a reasonable and inoffensive manner. People can and will respond. Like you said, “It’s their right to”. In other words, when he comes out with his golden nuggets, I’m responding.😊👍 It’s not the me show though. You’ve responded in an ott manner to a perfectly reasonable post and then shift the blame. As I said it’s pathetic.
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Post by logdog on Jan 22, 2021 17:11:38 GMT
While you are right mate, responding to him does just play into his hands and ‘fan the flames’, (of which I admit to being guilty!’. And as irritating as it is when threads descend into the Bayern show, this is in fact a message board that is open for anyone to debate on as long as it’s in a reasonable and inoffensive manner. People can and will respond. Like you said, “It’s their right to”. In other words, when he comes out with his golden nuggets, I’m responding.😊👍 It’s not the me show though. You’ve responded in an ott manner to a perfectly reasonable post and then shift the blame. As I said it’s pathetic. O.T.T. how, exactly?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 22, 2021 17:14:17 GMT
I think the concern isn't so much that his career might be at risk, but that he might be significantly diminished by it. Hopefully he won't be. I still don't understand the worry. We've taken bigger risks on far more expensive players both fee and wages wise. Every player you buy or invest in in the academy could end up being not worth the effort or money. I can remember young fit players we've bought thought would be the next big thing who have never achieved our expectations. I'm sure we spent more on Verlinden and N'goy's development than the alleged £650,000 transfer fee. I think it's more that we hope this is going to be a significant upgrade and be an exciting player but if there is a concern that it won't be the case it's to do with the injury. It's just a slight cloud on things but hopefully he'll be fine when he's fit again.
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Post by stokiejoe on Jan 22, 2021 17:44:36 GMT
I would hope that all posters are allowed to post on this website, regardless of who provided they are polite to each other. Once it deteriorates into slanging matches then many of us switch off. Surely we are all entitled to our opinion even if like mine its so often wrong but hopefully polite.
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Post by bgreen13 on Jan 22, 2021 17:44:36 GMT
🙄 I'm telling people to stop repeating the same conversation on every single thread, else it'll never stop. Some of us just want to read the latest on Stoke. Like now, I want to read about our new signing but have to trawl through heaps of shit to get there. It needs saying. The "pick me bayern" competition that pads out every other thread is by far the most tiresome element of this messageboard and it has been, on and off, for the best part of a decade. People know he'll respond - as he has every right to - so when they see his name certain posters start lining up to tell him how wrong he is on every tiny detail, even on the most innocuous and uncontroversial points that have been made many times over by other people without issue. The irony is those same posters then accuse *him* of attention seeking. They actually think the reason that threads devolve into the bayern show is because of him. It's because of them. (and yes I'm aware I'm now contributing to it, tee hee. It's a point that needs making because it's an obstacle to proper conversation/debate on here. People need to stop getting so horny for him, he is but a man.) Then has the same people defending his comments no matter how outrageous. Even though that’s the prime reason for him posting them.
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Post by PotterLog on Jan 22, 2021 17:49:36 GMT
It needs saying. The "pick me bayern" competition that pads out every other thread is by far the most tiresome element of this messageboard and it has been, on and off, for the best part of a decade. People know he'll respond - as he has every right to - so when they see his name certain posters start lining up to tell him how wrong he is on every tiny detail, even on the most innocuous and uncontroversial points that have been made many times over by other people without issue. The irony is those same posters then accuse *him* of attention seeking. They actually think the reason that threads devolve into the bayern show is because of him. It's because of them. (and yes I'm aware I'm now contributing to it, tee hee. It's a point that needs making because it's an obstacle to proper conversation/debate on here. People need to stop getting so horny for him, he is but a man.) Then has the same people defending his comments no matter how outrageous. Even though that’s the prime reason for him posting them. In the spirit of avoiding the exact thing I'm complaining about, I'll resist the temptation to ask you for your best example of this happening. So. Alfie Doughty.....
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Post by raythesailor on Jan 22, 2021 17:54:00 GMT
What is Alfie’s injury?
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Post by robwahlmann on Jan 22, 2021 17:55:10 GMT
I still don't understand the worry. We've taken bigger risks on far more expensive players both fee and wages wise. Every player you buy or invest in in the academy could end up being not worth the effort or money. I can remember young fit players we've bought thought would be the next big thing who have never achieved our expectations. I'm sure we spent more on Verlinden and N'goy's development than the alleged £650,000 transfer fee. Spot on mate. I suppose in some ways it’s a bit like when TP used to make his ‘dog’s home’ signings. A club like us has to gamble on these kind of players. Chucking money at it hasn’t got us very far.This lad is hopefully young enough to recover from his injury and then good enough to do the business for us. I guess we went for safe deals when we bought Palacios £6M, Imbula for £18M, Wimmer for £18M, Berahino £13M, Afobe £12M, Ince £10M, Bauer £6.5M and ......
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Post by logdog on Jan 22, 2021 17:55:40 GMT
Then has the same people defending his comments no matter how outrageous. Even though that’s the prime reason for him posting them. In the spirit of avoiding the exact thing I'm complaining about, I'll resist the temptation to ask you for your best example of this happening. So. Alfie Doughty..... What’s Alfie Doughty got to do with this thread, mate?😉😂
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Post by logdog on Jan 22, 2021 17:57:04 GMT
Spot on mate. I suppose in some ways it’s a bit like when TP used to make his ‘dog’s home’ signings. A club like us has to gamble on these kind of players. Chucking money at it hasn’t got us very far.This lad is hopefully young enough to recover from his injury and then good enough to do the business for us. I guess we went for safe deals when we bought Palacios £6M, Imbula for £18M, Wimmer for £18M, Berahino £13M, Afobe £12M, Ince £10M, Bauer £6.5M and ...... They all ended well...
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Post by robwahlmann on Jan 22, 2021 17:58:19 GMT
I guess we went for safe deals when we bought Palacios £6M, Imbula for £18M, Wimmer for £18M, Berahino £13M, Afobe £12M, Ince £10M, Bauer £6.5M and ...... They all ended well... Certainly!
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Post by s7oke on Jan 22, 2021 18:06:38 GMT
The only thing that concerns me is if he plays tonight injured (I know he can’t play for the foreseeable before someone says )how would vokes keep up with him ? I’ve a good feeling about big Sam tonight mate.... watch this space.. been talking to my mate Clinton Baptiste, 1-0 stoke big Sam with the goal Hope you’re right 😱
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 22, 2021 18:10:34 GMT
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Post by gingerninja on Jan 22, 2021 18:15:43 GMT
If all goes well we may see something of him before the season's out?.
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Post by caine on Jan 23, 2021 4:15:33 GMT
Just no... So your saying 500/600k is to much to waste, we have Wimmer, Bauer in the under 23s. We have Etebo, Ndaiye and Imbula out on loan and nobody wants to sign them. How much did they cost again? Would take a young lad coming back from injury for 600k who wants to play for the club over any of those bell ends! What has that got to do with anything? Oh nothing mate absolutely nothing.... Jesus
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Post by datguy on Jan 23, 2021 12:59:38 GMT
What has that got to do with anything? Oh nothing mate absolutely nothing.... Jesus It's got fuck all to do with anything. We've got no money to spend, not because the Coates' can't afford it but because of FFP. Spending £2m on Jacob Brown was equally a big outlay. A big risk. There's only so many of those signings we can afford and we have to make sure it's right. What have Kevin Wimmer, Giannelli Imbula, Saido Berahino etc got to do with 2021 & FFP? They put us in this mess, and it's exactly why spending even £650,000 on Doughty is a risk.
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Post by moon on Jan 23, 2021 15:36:56 GMT
Oh nothing mate absolutely nothing.... Jesus It's got fuck all to do with anything. We've got no money to spend, not because the Coates' can't afford it but because of FFP. Spending £2m on Jacob Brown was equally a big outlay. A big risk. There's only so many of those signings we can afford and we have to make sure it's right. What have Kevin Wimmer, Giannelli Imbula, Saido Berahino etc got to do with 2021 & FFP? They put us in this mess, and it's exactly why spending even £650,000 on Doughty is a risk. 650k is nothing in this division, if it doesn’t work out it’s not the end of the world is it. He’s a young lad and I’m sure he will recover just fine, the big question is whether he is good enough to earn a place in the starting 11 next season.
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Post by franklin on Jan 23, 2021 20:40:56 GMT
I didn't know until just but its a bad hammy injury.
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Post by heworksardtho on Jan 23, 2021 22:26:29 GMT
What’s it all about ...........Alfie 🤡
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jan 23, 2021 23:39:44 GMT
Given our horrendous lack of insight into a number of ignings I’d say this has red Light Spells danger flashing all over it
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Post by madnellie on Jan 24, 2021 4:24:13 GMT
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Post by caine on Jan 24, 2021 6:14:56 GMT
Oh nothing mate absolutely nothing.... Jesus It's got fuck all to do with anything. We've got no money to spend, not because the Coates' can't afford it but because of FFP. Spending £2m on Jacob Brown was equally a big outlay. A big risk. There's only so many of those signings we can afford and we have to make sure it's right. What have Kevin Wimmer, Giannelli Imbula, Saido Berahino etc got to do with 2021 & FFP? They put us in this mess, and it's exactly why spending even £650,000 on Doughty is a risk. They are the reason we are in this mess what do you mean what have they got to do with it! You understand FFP right? How much do you think we are paying them a week to sit in the under 23s? Some of those players will still be on 30k a week and your saying it’s a massive risk signing a player who’s probably not on a third of that.... wow
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2021 6:55:23 GMT
It's got fuck all to do with anything. We've got no money to spend, not because the Coates' can't afford it but because of FFP. Spending £2m on Jacob Brown was equally a big outlay. A big risk. There's only so many of those signings we can afford and we have to make sure it's right. What have Kevin Wimmer, Giannelli Imbula, Saido Berahino etc got to do with 2021 & FFP? They put us in this mess, and it's exactly why spending even £650,000 on Doughty is a risk. 650k is nothing in this division, if it doesn’t work out it’s not the end of the world is it. He’s a young lad and I’m sure he will recover just fine, the big question is whether he is good enough to earn a place in the starting 11 next season. Well it is when the money stops parachuting in, and there's clubs in this division who'd balk out of paying that amount for a player fairly much untried at this level. Stay on for a couple more years and we'll have to be one of them.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jan 24, 2021 6:59:55 GMT
It's got fuck all to do with anything. We've got no money to spend, not because the Coates' can't afford it but because of FFP. Spending £2m on Jacob Brown was equally a big outlay. A big risk. There's only so many of those signings we can afford and we have to make sure it's right. What have Kevin Wimmer, Giannelli Imbula, Saido Berahino etc got to do with 2021 & FFP? They put us in this mess, and it's exactly why spending even £650,000 on Doughty is a risk. 650k is nothing in this division, if it doesn’t work out it’s not the end of the world is it. He’s a young lad and I’m sure he will recover just fine, the big question is whether he is good enough to earn a place in the starting 11 next season. Its only nothing if you have money to spend, we have very little and given it seems we can't muster enough to get a much needed striker in which makes it an even bigger risk than just signing an untested player.
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Post by datguy on Jan 24, 2021 11:50:11 GMT
It's got fuck all to do with anything. We've got no money to spend, not because the Coates' can't afford it but because of FFP. Spending £2m on Jacob Brown was equally a big outlay. A big risk. There's only so many of those signings we can afford and we have to make sure it's right. What have Kevin Wimmer, Giannelli Imbula, Saido Berahino etc got to do with 2021 & FFP? They put us in this mess, and it's exactly why spending even £650,000 on Doughty is a risk. They are the reason we are in this mess what do you mean what have they got to do with it! You understand FFP right? How much do you think we are paying them a week to sit in the under 23s? Some of those players will still be on 30k a week and your saying it’s a massive risk signing a player who’s probably not on a third of that.... wow Wimmer is probably on about 30k at the moment. The rest aren't here anymore. And yes, when you've got no money to spend, spending £650,000 is a lot. Look at the Championship, we aren't the only ones with rich owners, but no one is spending anything. It's all well and good saying XYZ cost £10m+ so Doughty is risk free. But unfortunately the shite we've bought over the past 4-5 years mean any fee at the moment pushes us to the limits in regards to FFP. Thus - a risk. Surprised you're finding it so hard to recognise how big an outlay of even £650,000 + wages is at the moment. Especially for a player that won't be available until next season!
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Post by moon on Jan 24, 2021 12:14:15 GMT
650k is nothing in this division, if it doesn’t work out it’s not the end of the world is it. He’s a young lad and I’m sure he will recover just fine, the big question is whether he is good enough to earn a place in the starting 11 next season. Its only nothing if you have money to spend, we have very little and given it seems we can't muster enough to get a much needed striker in which makes it an even bigger risk than just signing an untested player.
Wimmer 70k per week, Doughty fee is covered in 9 weeks wages BMI 60k per week (I wonder how much is covered by AZ Alkmaar, I'd be amazed if it's the full 60k)
Shawcross 55k per week, so the fee is 12 weeks of wages for Ryan (who many on here are keen to keep beyond the current season even though he is pretty far from the starting 11 at the moment) Allen 50k per week, 13 weeks wages
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Liam Lindsey - wages for ~1 year
650k really is nothing, and in the summer we have to try and move on the bigger earners and release those out of contract that we can no longer afford such as Ryan (even on half his wage it wouldn't be worth keeping him beyond this summer).
No matter who we sign you'll get people complaining on here and writing them off before they've even played, for the fee mentioned Doughty isn't much of a risk in my view and it seems like shrewd business.
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Post by moon on Jan 24, 2021 12:17:17 GMT
They are the reason we are in this mess what do you mean what have they got to do with it! You understand FFP right? How much do you think we are paying them a week to sit in the under 23s? Some of those players will still be on 30k a week and your saying it’s a massive risk signing a player who’s probably not on a third of that.... wow Wimmer is probably on about 30k at the moment. The rest aren't here anymore. And yes, when you've got no money to spend, spending £650,000 is a lot. Look at the Championship, we aren't the only ones with rich owners, but no one is spending anything. It's all well and good saying XYZ cost £10m+ so Doughty is risk free. But unfortunately the shite we've bought over the past 4-5 years mean any fee at the moment pushes us to the limits in regards to FFP. Thus - a risk. Surprised you're finding it so hard to recognise how big an outlay of even £650,000 + wages is at the moment. Especially for a player that won't be available until next season! Why exactly do you assume Wimmer is on 30k? reports suggest 70k a week, unless we have some magical clauses in there to reduce this following relegation, lack of playing time etc, but I seriously doubt he is now on 30k a week (which is still far too much for the useless lump, but a contract has to be honoured).
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Post by datguy on Jan 24, 2021 12:18:34 GMT
Wimmer is probably on about 30k at the moment. The rest aren't here anymore. And yes, when you've got no money to spend, spending £650,000 is a lot. Look at the Championship, we aren't the only ones with rich owners, but no one is spending anything. It's all well and good saying XYZ cost £10m+ so Doughty is risk free. But unfortunately the shite we've bought over the past 4-5 years mean any fee at the moment pushes us to the limits in regards to FFP. Thus - a risk. Surprised you're finding it so hard to recognise how big an outlay of even £650,000 + wages is at the moment. Especially for a player that won't be available until next season! Why exactly do you assume Wimmer is on 30k? reports suggest 70k a week, unless we have some magical clauses in there to reduce this following relegation, lack of playing time etc, but I seriously doubt he is now on 30k a week (which is still far too much for the useless lump, but a contract has to be honoured). It's common practice for every player to have a 50% wage reduction upon relegation. Everyone in the squad got one - why wouldn't Wimmer? *if he is on 70k, it makes spending money even more of a risk!
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Post by caine on Jan 24, 2021 15:24:35 GMT
Its only nothing if you have money to spend, we have very little and given it seems we can't muster enough to get a much needed striker in which makes it an even bigger risk than just signing an untested player. Wimmer 70k per week, Doughty fee is covered in 9 weeks wages BMI 60k per week (I wonder how much is covered by AZ Alkmaar, I'd be amazed if it's the full 60k)
Shawcross 55k per week, so the fee is 12 weeks of wages for Ryan (who many on here are keen to keep beyond the current season even though he is pretty far from the starting 11 at the moment) Allen 50k per week, 13 weeks wages
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Liam Lindsey - wages for ~1 year 650k really is nothing, and in the summer we have to try and move on the bigger earners and release those out of contract that we can no longer afford such as Ryan (even on half his wage it wouldn't be worth keeping him beyond this summer). No matter who we sign you'll get people complaining on here and writing them off before they've even played, for the fee mentioned Doughty isn't much of a risk in my view and it seems like shrewd business.
Think your making a big deal over nothing mate and I’ve just explained to you why I think this deal so nothing and well within our price range I can’t really explain it any better ha
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