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Post by foxysgloves on Jan 3, 2021 15:42:27 GMT
We tried it in the PL. It went predictably badly. No we didn't. The relegation from the PL was all about bad tactics and not getting the best from good technical players. Why does ability scare Stoke fans? Imbula? Wimmer? Etebo? Ndiaye?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 3, 2021 15:43:02 GMT
No we didn't. The relegation from the PL was all about bad tactics and not getting the best from good technical players. Why does ability scare Stoke fans? We were relegated with an awful squad of players. We were relegated with a squad that should have stayed up pretty easily. As ever it was bad management that lead us to relegation. We found a manager worse than Hughes, quite staggering. The squad wasn't the best and we did need a lot of work to it but it should have stayed up with the players we did have at our disposal.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 3, 2021 15:43:48 GMT
No we didn't. The relegation from the PL was all about bad tactics and not getting the best from good technical players. Why does ability scare Stoke fans? Imbula? Wimmer? Etebo? Ndiaye? Etebo was signed in the Champo. Badou played well. Wimmer was never needed, an odd signing.
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Post by mickstupp on Jan 3, 2021 15:46:04 GMT
We were relegated with an awful squad of players. We were relegated with a squad that should have stayed up pretty easily. As ever it was bad management that lead us to relegation. We found a manager worse than Hughes, quite staggering. The squad wasn't the best and we did need a lot of work to it but it should have stayed up with the players we did have at our disposal. It’s was a dreadfully poor, ageing squad. Our forward options (Shaq aside) were league 1 standard. Our subsequent struggles in the Championship, and lack of interest from the premier league in any of our players confirms this.
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Post by bgreen13 on Jan 3, 2021 15:47:11 GMT
No we didn't. The relegation from the PL was all about bad tactics and not getting the best from good technical players. Why does ability scare Stoke fans? Imbula? Wimmer? Etebo? Ndiaye? Jese Choupo
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 3, 2021 15:48:55 GMT
We were relegated with a squad that should have stayed up pretty easily. As ever it was bad management that lead us to relegation. We found a manager worse than Hughes, quite staggering. The squad wasn't the best and we did need a lot of work to it but it should have stayed up with the players we did have at our disposal. It’s was a dreadfully poor, ageing squad. Our forward options (Shaq aside) were league 1 standard. Our subsequent struggles in the Championship, and lack of interest from the premier league in any of our players confirms this. Choupo scored 5 in his first season in a completely new league, it was a good effort. Diouf is still scoring top flight goals as we speak. It was an ageing squad and lots of work needed to be done but it should have stayed up, I'd have expected MON for instance to keep them up.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 3, 2021 15:49:21 GMT
Imbula? Wimmer? Etebo? Ndiaye? Jese Choupo Jese was a disaster, Chopper did perfectly fine.
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Post by bgreen13 on Jan 3, 2021 15:50:49 GMT
Jese was a disaster, Chopper did perfectly fine. Zouma
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Post by mickstupp on Jan 3, 2021 15:52:28 GMT
It’s was a dreadfully poor, ageing squad. Our forward options (Shaq aside) were league 1 standard. Our subsequent struggles in the Championship, and lack of interest from the premier league in any of our players confirms this. Choupo scored 5 in his first season in a completely new league, it was a good effort. Diouf is still scoring top flight goals as we speak. It was an ageing squad and lots of work needed to be done but it should have stayed up, I'd have expected MON for instance to keep them up. It wasn’t a good effort. He was shite and utterly disinterested. Diouf remains one of the worst strikers I’ve ever seen in a Stoke shirt. You talk about Allen as being a villain in our relegation, but to me, Diouf was at least partly responsible. Lambert played him up front in every game and he repaid him with two goals (one cannoned in off his face). Any kind of semi competent striker scores 5/6 in that spell and keeps us up.
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Post by foxysgloves on Jan 3, 2021 15:53:24 GMT
Imbula? Wimmer? Etebo? Ndiaye? Jese Choupo How could I forget! I tried so hard.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 3, 2021 15:56:05 GMT
Choupo scored 5 in his first season in a completely new league, it was a good effort. Diouf is still scoring top flight goals as we speak. It was an ageing squad and lots of work needed to be done but it should have stayed up, I'd have expected MON for instance to keep them up. It wasn’t a good effort. He was shite and utterly disinterested. Diouf remains one of the worst strikers I’ve ever seen in a Stoke shirt. You talk about Allen as being a villain in our relegation, but to me, Diouf was at least partly responsible. Lambert played him up front in every game and he repaid him with two goals (one cannoned in off his face). Any kind of semi competent striker scores 5/6 in that spell and keeps us up. I disagree, I think he was perfectly fine. Diouf hadn't played as a striker for 2 seasons. He missed some sitters but it happens, he still scored 6 I think? And that was including half a season at right back. Diouf was a good striker. Still is.
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Post by mickstupp on Jan 3, 2021 15:59:04 GMT
It wasn’t a good effort. He was shite and utterly disinterested. Diouf remains one of the worst strikers I’ve ever seen in a Stoke shirt. You talk about Allen as being a villain in our relegation, but to me, Diouf was at least partly responsible. Lambert played him up front in every game and he repaid him with two goals (one cannoned in off his face). Any kind of semi competent striker scores 5/6 in that spell and keeps us up. I disagree, I think he was perfectly fine. Diouf hadn't played as a striker for 2 seasons. He missed some sitters but it happens, he still scored 6 I think? And that was including half a season at right back. Diouf was a good striker. Still is. It certainly happened a lot to Diouf. Horrific player, technically utterly dreadful. Erratic doesn’t even begin to describe him.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 3, 2021 16:17:37 GMT
I disagree, I think he was perfectly fine. Diouf hadn't played as a striker for 2 seasons. He missed some sitters but it happens, he still scored 6 I think? And that was including half a season at right back. Diouf was a good striker. Still is. It certainly happened a lot to Diouf. Horrific player, technically utterly dreadful. Erratic doesn’t even begin to describe him. He was poor technically but often in the right place at the right time and great header of the ball. But like in recent years, we don't seem to cross and when we do they're of poor quality.
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Post by followyoudown on Jan 3, 2021 16:24:45 GMT
Jese was a disaster, Chopper did perfectly fine. He was yet if he had taken the penalty v Brighton he would have scored and we would have stayed up so probably the worst ever loan signing in our history would have won us the 6 pts that kept us up, funny old game football.....
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 3, 2021 22:54:02 GMT
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Post by clb91 on Jan 9, 2021 18:39:22 GMT
Does anyone know anything about the ligament injury he sustained? Not heard a prep from Stoke, other than he's likely going to be out for the season.
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Post by dan55 on Jan 10, 2021 13:31:49 GMT
Does anyone know anything about the ligament injury he sustained? Not heard a prep from Stoke, other than he's likely going to be out for the season. I'd imagine its a tear or rupture considering the length of time he's going to be out.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Jan 10, 2021 14:03:10 GMT
Where has it said it was a ligament injury?
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jan 10, 2021 14:06:29 GMT
In my head we'll go for Davis until we can bring Cosgrove in over the summer and hopefully move Vokes on. Plus Doughty and/or Pickering with McClean going in the summer. That's what I think O'Neill is looking to do......
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Post by chuckrocky on Jan 10, 2021 14:14:50 GMT
In my head we'll go for Davis until we can bring Cosgrove in over the summer and hopefully move Vokes on. Plus Doughty and/or Pickering with McClean going in the summer. That's what I think O'Neill is looking to do...... The stumbling blocks there would be moving Vokes and McClean on. No club in their right mind would touch either player, that’s before you even consider the extortionate wage both players are on.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jan 10, 2021 14:25:42 GMT
In my head we'll go for Davis until we can bring Cosgrove in over the summer and hopefully move Vokes on. Plus Doughty and/or Pickering with McClean going in the summer. That's what I think O'Neill is looking to do...... The stumbling blocks there would be moving Vokes and McClean on. No club in their right mind would touch either player, that’s before you even consider the extortionate wage both players are on. McClean I think would generate a bit of interest, it would boil down to whether they wanted to play regular football and whether they would be prepared to negotiate a deal to move on.......
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Post by xchpotter on Jan 10, 2021 14:38:24 GMT
Does anyone know anything about the ligament injury he sustained? Not heard a prep from Stoke, other than he's likely going to be out for the season. Was only thinking this the other day. Might have missed it, but did anything come out from the club, any necessary surgery etc. If there has been no news at all, aside from him missing the season, I’m not sure whether that’s a good sign or not.
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Post by gawa on Jan 12, 2021 21:45:37 GMT
What about Charlie Austin? Has only played 45 mins of PL football for WBA this season. His contracts also due to expire in the summer. Scored 10 in 34 championship games for WBA last season. See he scored on his debut tonight at QPR after signing on loan. Would have been an excellent acquisition if we could of signed him.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jan 13, 2021 8:47:20 GMT
Neeskens Kebano at Fulham? Quick, attacking, players all across the front and not getting much game time.
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Post by lordb on Jan 13, 2021 12:11:12 GMT
Josh Maja still available for not too much£££ ?
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Post by gingerninja on Jan 13, 2021 12:15:39 GMT
I am convinced he will sign Shankland, don't know why, just feel he wants a "finisher" type..
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Post by lordb on Jan 13, 2021 12:17:52 GMT
I am convinced he will sign Shankland, don't know why, just feel he wants a "finisher" type.. he'd be cheap too only 4 gaols this season mind
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Post by mickstupp on Jan 13, 2021 12:24:06 GMT
Just a championship hardened centre forward would do. Someone like Fletcher just a bit fitter and less likely to get injured. Billy Sharp or even Glen Murray?
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Post by dirtygary69 on Jan 13, 2021 13:09:45 GMT
We were relegated with an awful squad of players. We were relegated with a squad that should have stayed up pretty easily. As ever it was bad management that lead us to relegation. We found a manager worse than Hughes, quite staggering. The squad wasn't the best and we did need a lot of work to it but it should have stayed up with the players we did have at our disposal. Don't know exactly what you are talking about but I still thought we were massively unlucky when getting relegated. Appointing Lambert was an obvious disaster, but we had one bad season and got relegated. There are teams who are crap for years and years (Sunderland, Bolton etc) who seem to stay up for 3 or 4 years. If we'd have stayed up that year, we'd probably still be there now having had a bit of a rebuild.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 13, 2021 13:11:07 GMT
We were relegated with a squad that should have stayed up pretty easily. As ever it was bad management that lead us to relegation. We found a manager worse than Hughes, quite staggering. The squad wasn't the best and we did need a lot of work to it but it should have stayed up with the players we did have at our disposal. Don't know exactly what you are talking about but I still thought we were massively unlucky when getting relegated. Appointing Lambert was an obvious disaster, but we had one bad season and got relegated. There are teams who are crap for years and years (Sunderland, Bolton etc) who seem to stay up for 3 or 4 years. If we'd have stayed up that year, we'd probably still be there now having had a bit of a rebuild. We would have kept Lambert and been relegated.
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