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Post by longdistancekiddie on Dec 13, 2020 23:18:28 GMT
Why would they be fucked, they don't need England. They could try to join the EU. And if you don't care why are you crying about it. You are always carping on about England being a independent sovereign state but you don't want Scotland to be that,???. Pissed on the cheap stuff again are you? , Do one Scab, 😂🤣 . And you needed to edit that [br OK Yes, forgot Scab. 😂😂😂]
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Post by lawrieleslie on Dec 14, 2020 13:50:04 GMT
At Indyref1 Salmond said with Brent crude at $100 a barrel they would have a self sustaining economy. It traded at around $110 a barrel in early 2014 in the lead up the the ref. then halved to $55 by 31.12.14. Currently $49 a barrel, and the highest since 2014 was $84 a barrel. With the long term to switch to carbon neutral economies, it'll only go one way. That's before the long term Covid effect, good luck to em. Missed the boat or dodge a bullet last time depending on which way you look at it. The issue of North Sea Oil ownership is interesting. The ownership of disputed Economic Sea Space (ESS) to a distance of 200 miles from coastline is defined by the UN using a very simple process. A line drawn across the land mass boarder extrapolated to 200 miles from the coast line determines the ESS. In the case of England/Scotland, a line drawn from Carlisle NE to Berwick and extrapolated into the North Sea would place much of the North Sea Oil Fields in English ESS. However Scotland draw the ESS boarder along a line of Latitude from Berwick out to 200 miles thus putting North Sea Oil firmly into Scottish ESS. Of course this all depends on whether the ESS becomes a dispute during independence negotiations.
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Post by franklin on Dec 14, 2020 13:55:01 GMT
At Indyref1 Salmond said with Brent crude at $100 a barrel they would have a self sustaining economy. It traded at around $110 a barrel in early 2014 in the lead up the the ref. then halved to $55 by 31.12.14. Currently $49 a barrel, and the highest since 2014 was $84 a barrel. With the long term to switch to carbon neutral economies, it'll only go one way. That's before the long term Covid effect, good luck to em. Missed the boat or dodge a bullet last time depending on which way you look at it. The issue of North Sea Oil ownership is interesting. The ownership of disputed Economic Sea Space (ESS) to a distance of 200 miles from coastline is defined by the UN using a very simple process. A line drawn across the land mass boarder extrapolated to 200 miles from the coast line determines the ESS. In the case of England/Scotland, a line drawn from Carlisle NE to Berwick and extrapolated into the North Sea would place much of the North Sea Oil Fields in English ESS. However Scotland draw the ESS boarder along a line of Latitude from Berwick out to 200 miles thus putting North Sea Oil firmly into Scottish ESS. Of course this all depends on whether the ESS becomes a dispute during independence negotiations. That is indeed a very good point just exactly where the oil fields are and in who's waters they are.
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Post by raythesailor on Dec 14, 2020 20:16:24 GMT
There are some MEGA financial institutions based in Scotland. The likes of Standard Life, Scottish Widows etc.
They manage and invest literally billions of pounds in pension and other similar type funds.
These funds principally come from English investors and are of course held in GB pounds. Independence would cause enormous problems with the administration and would probably and inevitably mean that these institutions would have little choice but to move there operations South of the border unless Scotland remained tied to the GB pound. This of course would be a contradiction of the term Independent, and also totally unacceptable to the remainder of the UK who would not to want to be responsible to, or support an Independent state who wanted to distance itself from it, whilst wanting to cling onto the financial security that it offers.
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Post by dirtclod on Dec 15, 2020 0:28:02 GMT
Some guy named William Wallace just knocked on my door raising money for some charity. He looked pretty angry...
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Dec 15, 2020 0:32:54 GMT
At Indyref1 Salmond said with Brent crude at $100 a barrel they would have a self sustaining economy. It traded at around $110 a barrel in early 2014 in the lead up the the ref. then halved to $55 by 31.12.14. Currently $49 a barrel, and the highest since 2014 was $84 a barrel. With the long term to switch to carbon neutral economies, it'll only go one way. That's before the long term Covid effect, good luck to em. Missed the boat or dodge a bullet last time depending on which way you look at it. The issue of North Sea Oil ownership is interesting. The ownership of disputed Economic Sea Space (ESS) to a distance of 200 miles from coastline is defined by the UN using a very simple process. A line drawn across the land mass boarder extrapolated to 200 miles from the coast line determines the ESS. In the case of England/Scotland, a line drawn from Carlisle NE to Berwick and extrapolated into the North Sea would place much of the North Sea Oil Fields in English ESS. However Scotland draw the ESS boarder along a line of Latitude from Berwick out to 200 miles thus putting North Sea Oil firmly into Scottish ESS. Of course this all depends on whether the ESS becomes a dispute during independence negotiations. Looks like Westminster will have some big decisions to make - shoot the French to defend the fish or the Scottish to defend the oil. What a time to be alive.
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Post by raythesailor on Dec 15, 2020 8:54:18 GMT
The French tried it on a few hundred years ago whilst we were busy with the Scots. Didn’t work out well for them then. 🤪
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Post by wagsastokie on Dec 15, 2020 8:58:55 GMT
Some guy named William Wallace just knocked on my door raising money for some charity. He looked pretty angry... Did he have a dodgy Australian accent
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Post by muggleton on Dec 16, 2020 12:28:41 GMT
There are some MEGA financial institutions based in Scotland. The likes of Standard Life, Scottish Widows etc. They manage and invest literally billions of pounds in pension and other similar type funds. These funds principally come from English investors and are of course held in GB pounds. Independence would cause enormous problems with the administration and would probably and inevitably mean that these institutions would have little choice but to move there operations South of the border unless Scotland remained tied to the GB pound. This of course would be a contradiction of the term Independent, and also totally unacceptable to the remainder of the UK who would not to want to be responsible to, or support an Independent state who wanted to distance itself from it, whilst wanting to cling onto the financial security that it offers. Some clear parallels with Brexit there.
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Post by Linx on Dec 16, 2020 19:46:31 GMT
Some guy named William Wallace just knocked on my door raising money for some charity. He looked pretty angry... What, blue in the face kind of angry?
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Post by Kilo on Dec 16, 2020 20:23:24 GMT
The issue of North Sea Oil ownership is interesting. The ownership of disputed Economic Sea Space (ESS) to a distance of 200 miles from coastline is defined by the UN using a very simple process. A line drawn across the land mass boarder extrapolated to 200 miles from the coast line determines the ESS. In the case of England/Scotland, a line drawn from Carlisle NE to Berwick and extrapolated into the North Sea would place much of the North Sea Oil Fields in English ESS. However Scotland draw the ESS boarder along a line of Latitude from Berwick out to 200 miles thus putting North Sea Oil firmly into Scottish ESS. Of course this all depends on whether the ESS becomes a dispute during independence negotiations. That is indeed a very good point just exactly where the oil fields are and in who's waters they are. The English are using the system following international law which is 200 miles perpendicular to the coast. Little Miss Krankie is using her own system following lines of Latitude which convieniently put many of the oil platforms in Scottish waters. If the World used her system, countries that only have a Northern or Southern coast would have no coastline. She can't win the arguement.
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Post by franklin on Dec 16, 2020 20:36:49 GMT
That is indeed a very good point just exactly where the oil fields are and in who's waters they are. The English are using the system following international law which is 200 miles perpendicular to the coast. Little Miss Krankie is using her own system following lines of Latitude which convieniently put many of the oil platforms in Scottish waters. If the World used her system, countries that only have a Northern or Southern coast would have no coastline. She can't win the arguement. I just wonder why she's not been put in her place over that one then.
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Post by Kilo on Dec 16, 2020 20:50:22 GMT
The English are using the system following international law which is 200 miles perpendicular to the coast. Little Miss Krankie is using her own system following lines of Latitude which convieniently put many of the oil platforms in Scottish waters. If the World used her system, countries that only have a Northern or Southern coast would have no coastline. She can't win the arguement. I just wonder why she's not been put in her place over that one then. I've probably simplified it a bit but it's essentially the case. She's not in full indyref2 rant yet though as she knows she can't do anything before Brexit is fully done and dusted but I don't think the ownership of the oil fields debate will last too long when it gets underway.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Dec 16, 2020 21:16:46 GMT
I imagine it will be trouble free and Nicola will get everything she said she will get, so should be a historic moment for Scotland. Assuming the Scots vote for it, I take it the Scottish will be funding the cost of their 2nd referendum, if they do vote for independence good for them let's hope we give them a trade deal, all subsidies from Westminster to stop as part of the deal though, I assume that they will be hoping the EU accept them in and the price will be the euro as their currency   Agreed. I think we should let them go and see how they get on. Can you imagine living in a country run by Nicola Sturgeon? That must be fairly close to how I imagine hell to be. She really is a nasty piece of work.
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Post by franklin on Dec 16, 2020 21:25:41 GMT
Assuming the Scots vote for it, I take it the Scottish will be funding the cost of their 2nd referendum, if they do vote for independence good for them let's hope we give them a trade deal, all subsidies from Westminster to stop as part of the deal though, I assume that they will be hoping the EU accept them in and the price will be the euro as their currency   Agreed. I think we should let them go and see how they get on. Can you imagine living in a country run by Nicola Sturgeon? That must be fairly close to how I imagine hell to be. She really is a nasty piece of work. I think you're right let them go but just asset strip them first relocating all national assets South of the border 😉
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Post by raythesailor on Dec 16, 2020 21:40:06 GMT
Agreed. I think we should let them go and see how they get on. Can you imagine living in a country run by Nicola Sturgeon? That must be fairly close to how I imagine hell to be. She really is a nasty piece of work. I think you're right let them go but just asset strip them first relocating all national assets South of the border 😉 The above comments reflect the thoughts that I have been having for some time. The dissolution of the United Kingdom, it could be argued, is not solely the decision of the People of Scotland . Surely it should be be put to the People of the UK as a whole including the Scots, as at the moment we are ONE nation and the outcome would effect the entire country not just Scotland itself. Unfortunately this question will probably never be put to the nation as a whole. Why? Because we are so fed up of the whinging by Nicola and her cronies we would probably say; Yes Bugger Off.
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Post by franklin on Dec 16, 2020 21:44:48 GMT
I think you're right let them go but just asset strip them first relocating all national assets South of the border 😉 The above comments reflect the thoughts that I have been having for some time. The dissolution of the United Kingdom, it could be argued, is not solely the decision of the People of Scotland . Surely it should be be put to the People of the UK as a whole including the Scots, as at the moment we are ONE nation and the outcome would effect the entire country not just Scotland itself. Unfortunately this question will probably never be put to the nation as a whole. Why? Because we are so fed up of the whinging by Nicola and her cronies we would probably say;  Yes Bugger Off. This is only an opinion but if we said right ok you can go but no pound for currency and we will divide national debt, take out international waters including our oil fields etc. They would shit it....
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Dec 16, 2020 22:06:32 GMT
Agreed. I think we should let them go and see how they get on. Can you imagine living in a country run by Nicola Sturgeon? That must be fairly close to how I imagine hell to be. She really is a nasty piece of work. I think you're right let them go but just asset strip them first relocating all national assets South of the border 😉 Indeed. I'd be more than happy for us to invade Scotland. Can we burn a few EU flags while we do it? Barnier and Sturgeon would make a cracking couple. Two useless losers.
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Post by longdistancekiddie on Dec 17, 2020 21:02:37 GMT
Will have to give the stone back as well
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Dec 18, 2020 12:04:01 GMT
I think you're right let them go but just asset strip them first relocating all national assets South of the border 😉 Indeed. I'd be more than happy for us to invade Scotland. Can we burn a few EU flags while we do it? Barnier and Sturgeon would make a cracking couple. Two useless losers. Struggling to see how Sturgeon is a loser, regardless of whether you agree with her. When she took charge of the SNP they had 6 seats in Westminster - at the last election they won 48. Whether you like or loathe her, she's good at what she does.
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Post by raythesailor on Dec 18, 2020 13:09:43 GMT
Indeed. I'd be more than happy for us to invade Scotland. Can we burn a few EU flags while we do it? Barnier and Sturgeon would make a cracking couple. Two useless losers. Struggling to see how Sturgeon is a loser, regardless of whether you agree with her. When she took charge of the SNP they had 6 seats in Westminster - at the last election they won 48. Whether you like or loathe her, she's good at what she does. From what I hear she is not that popular in Scotland, but unfortunately there are few viable alternatives to compete with her.
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Post by ravey123 on Dec 18, 2020 13:30:23 GMT
Indeed. I'd be more than happy for us to invade Scotland. Can we burn a few EU flags while we do it? Barnier and Sturgeon would make a cracking couple. Two useless losers. Struggling to see how Sturgeon is a loser, regardless of whether you agree with her. When she took charge of the SNP they had 6 seats in Westminster - at the last election they won 48. Whether you like or loathe her, she's good at what she does. And what is it she does that is good? All you ever hear is 2nd Referendum It’s not within our powers It’s all the fault of the English Parliament We want the oil revenues Then the 2 faced imp goes cap in hand to parliament for more dosh If Scotland went alone without the support of the rest of the UK I think it would be an absolute clusterfuck for the Scots Did I read somewhere that there is a much higher percentage of government/council workers in Scotland than any of the other UK Countries and by some distance too.
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Post by Northy on Dec 18, 2020 14:13:27 GMT
Have they gone yet ?
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Post by partickpotter on Dec 18, 2020 14:34:43 GMT
Struggling to see how Sturgeon is a loser, regardless of whether you agree with her. When she took charge of the SNP they had 6 seats in Westminster - at the last election they won 48. Whether you like or loathe her, she's good at what she does. And what is it she does that is good? All you ever hear is 2nd Referendum It’s not within our powers It’s all the fault of the English Parliament We want the oil revenues Then the 2 faced imp goes cap in hand to parliament for more dosh If Scotland went alone without the support of the rest of the UK I think it would be an absolute clusterfuck for the Scots Did I read somewhere that there is a much higher percentage of government/council workers in Scotland than any of the other UK Countries and by some distance too. Her continuing popularity is quite remarkable. Its a combination of her brilliant public presentation combined with the paucity of opposition and the appallingly supine media in Scotland. This week's news about drug deaths in Scotland being a case in point - she grabs the nettle, Nicola Sturgeon says Scottish drug deaths record 'indefensible' and is able to ride out any opposition or media criticism. BTW - this drugs story is just astonishingly bad for Scotland. Check out the graph below. Appalling. And there's plenty more shambolic and hugely important domestic disasters (in education, the economy, justice not to mention health) that she, as the leader of the Government in Scotland, is accountable for but manages to avoid any accountablity. Like I say, remarkable. And it could well be enough to see Scotland become independent sooner rather than later.
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Post by chiswickpotter on Dec 18, 2020 14:37:02 GMT
Struggling to see how Sturgeon is a loser, regardless of whether you agree with her. When she took charge of the SNP they had 6 seats in Westminster - at the last election they won 48. Whether you like or loathe her, she's good at what she does. From what I hear she is not that popular in Scotland, but unfortunately there are few viable alternatives to compete with her. Not sure who it is you hear but she keeps romping home in elections.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Dec 18, 2020 14:40:38 GMT
Struggling to see how Sturgeon is a loser, regardless of whether you agree with her. When she took charge of the SNP they had 6 seats in Westminster - at the last election they won 48. Whether you like or loathe her, she's good at what she does. From what I hear she is not that popular in Scotland, but unfortunately there are few viable alternatives to compete with her. That seems to be the line that is trotted out when any party that isn't right or centre-right does well at an election - it's only because the others were crap. She currently has the best approval ratings of any party leader in the UK, although in fairness it has dipped a bit recently.
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Post by chiswickpotter on Dec 18, 2020 14:41:39 GMT
Is Scotland in better shape than Poland, Czech Republic or any similar nations? Absolutely yes. Would it get huge EU support? Again yes, partly as anti-England play, partly because it supports the values the western states do and partly because EU businesses would love a physical base in the UK. Edinburgh would be a competitive alternative to Frankfurt for financial services and we would see supply chains move their UK base to Scotland. Everyone worries about public debt but it isn’t going to be repaid any time soon and continues to cost very little to service. Scotland leaving would make England worse off very quickly
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Dec 18, 2020 14:53:52 GMT
Struggling to see how Sturgeon is a loser, regardless of whether you agree with her. When she took charge of the SNP they had 6 seats in Westminster - at the last election they won 48. Whether you like or loathe her, she's good at what she does. And what is it she does that is good? All you ever hear is 2nd Referendum It’s not within our powers It’s all the fault of the English Parliament We want the oil revenues Then the 2 faced imp goes cap in hand to parliament for more dosh If Scotland went alone without the support of the rest of the UK I think it would be an absolute clusterfuck for the Scots Did I read somewhere that there is a much higher percentage of government/council workers in Scotland than any of the other UK Countries and by some distance too. Yet despite all of that, continues to lead her party to decent election results. That's what she does well.
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Post by raythesailor on Dec 18, 2020 18:53:43 GMT
From what I hear she is not that popular in Scotland, but unfortunately there are few viable alternatives to compete with her. Not sure who it is you hear but she keeps romping home in elections. Scottish People (friends and family) who live in Scotland. As I said is there an alternative at the moment for them ?
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Post by harryburrows on Dec 21, 2020 15:19:23 GMT
I see sturgeon is today calling on boris to extend the transition period as he needs to concentrate fully on covid not brexit . This sounds an awful lot like her calling for indy ref 2 over the course of the pandemic
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