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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 3, 2020 13:44:13 GMT
He does some things very well- he's really impressive at coming off his line and anticipating danger, kicking seems pretty good too. I'm a bit concerned about him actually stopping any shots though: everything on target seems to have gone in so far. He reminds me a bit of Ronnie Sinclair, who somehow went through his whole stoke career never making a mistake or a save. That is harsh in the extreme. Ronnie Sinclair was a terrible goalkeeper saved by playing behind a brilliant team. The lad is 20 years of age and it won't have been easy coming in the way he has. He's done well so far and improved bit by bit each game. I'm obsessed by the goalkeepers. Always have been, always will be. Bursik has been very typical of a young goalkeeper but yesterday he showed a maturity that you wouldn't ordinarily expect. He caught a fast head high cross early doors and it was obvious he was picking the flight of the ball early. He came and caught a free kick that their keeper took from half way and he picked the flight of the ball almost the instant it left the keepers foot. The mistakes, if you want to call them that, v Norwich, were also typical of a young keeper. Coached to operate from a very high starting position, as he had to retreat, he lost his bearings a bit and was probably no more than half a step too close to the near post. Even then, the finishes were across him and had to hit the side netting to beat him. We just have to be patient. Last night was a very good sign and will be a massive step forward in his development. He's very laid back, almost casual and that can be a good thing for a keeper. He's calm and looks like he'll be able to deal with a blunder and he will make them. So far so good in my opinion. The signs are very positive. Ronnie Sinclair he absolutely isn't. EDIT - Huge credit must go to O'Neil for having the faith to throw a youngster in. 20 is very young for a goalkeeper at this level and many managers would have opted for a more experienced alternative. O'Neil has given him the rope. He'll either climb it or hang himself with it. So far, he's climbing it.
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Post by gingerninja on Dec 3, 2020 14:00:26 GMT
Great summary Dave, many on here are quick to criticise, he looks a very good prospect and this chance will have given him a massive confidence boost, continue as he is and with improvement, it is his shirt to lose
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Post by ethers26 on Dec 3, 2020 14:28:01 GMT
Sorry, Huddersfield's first (yellow kits) Also thought his positioning could have been better for Pukki's first vs Norwich though, but that's being critical and I think overall he's done well given the circumstances Are you in the camp who think he was too far to his right ? if yes it is a hard choice but most keepers by nature favour covering near post as they get slated for getting beaten for conceding there. He just doesn't know where his goal is in that moment, but he can still be a yard across and fairly comfortably cover both angles. That'll come with experience though, and his starting position has helped him more than it's hindered so far
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Dec 3, 2020 14:32:20 GMT
Agreed, a solid performance.
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Post by skemstokie on Dec 3, 2020 15:15:58 GMT
Are you in the camp who think he was too far to his right ? if yes it is a hard choice but most keepers by nature favour covering near post as they get slated for getting beaten for conceding there. He just doesn't know where his goal is in that moment, but he can still be a yard across and fairly comfortably cover both angles. That'll come with experience though, and his starting position has helped him more than it's hindered so far I still think that shot was placed perfectly and the defence allowing a clear unopposed run on goal should be what is under discussion,we were cut open like a hot knife through butter,but it is all about opinions.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 3, 2020 15:28:09 GMT
He just doesn't know where his goal is in that moment, but he can still be a yard across and fairly comfortably cover both angles. That'll come with experience though, and his starting position has helped him more than it's hindered so far I still think that shot was placed perfectly and the defence allowing a clear unopposed run on goal should be what is under discussion,we were cut open like a hot knife through butter,but it is all about opinions. Technically he was half a step too close to his near post and that was because he lost his bearings a bit as he retreated from a high start position. It's a common mistake of many a young goalkeeper as they make their way through the age groups and ability levels. At doncaster he would maybe have got away with it as the finish wouldn't have been so accurate. Against arguably the best striker in the league, the small margins make a bigger difference.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2020 15:39:32 GMT
Superb last night. Commanded his box exceptionally well. He seems to be gaining more confidence with each passing game. That claim in the 97th minute was what I love to see. Came out and took everyone even his own player with him. Keep it up Joe that was superb
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Post by emmbrook1956 on Dec 3, 2020 15:40:52 GMT
I thought that Joe showed great confidence on crosses and as Dave says, he picked up flight of the ball very early. For a youngster of his age, I thought he showed maturity. I know he did not have to make a real save last night but the way he was determined to dominate his 6 yard are was very pleasing.
Massive steps forward. However, a harder test will be awaiting on Saturday!
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Post by meirparkpotter on Dec 3, 2020 15:56:44 GMT
Very good performance tonight. Commanded his area well and the punch at the end was brilliant. He’s growing in confidence with every game and his distribution is brilliant. Well done Joe. Or 'José Burslik' as the P&G caller named him... FFS, if you're gonna call in to a radio show about your team, at least get the frigging players name correct!?
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Post by lstokie on Dec 3, 2020 16:06:37 GMT
That is being a naysayer though. He can only play what’s in front of him and to say that he alone conceded 6 in 2 games isn’t entirely true as it relies on the defence too. Neuer conceded 6 in one match the other week but doesn’t mean he isn’t a good keeper. By that token the defence deserves the credit too for two clean sheets. Suppose we’ll see in the coming weeks how he fairs. The defence does deserve credit, the two aren't exclusive.
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Post by Trouserdog on Dec 3, 2020 18:08:34 GMT
He does some things very well- he's really impressive at coming off his line and anticipating danger, kicking seems pretty good too. I'm a bit concerned about him actually stopping any shots though: everything on target seems to have gone in so far. He reminds me a bit of Ronnie Sinclair, who somehow went through his whole stoke career never making a mistake or a save. That is harsh in the extreme. Ronnie Sinclair was a terrible goalkeeper saved by playing behind a brilliant team. The lad is 20 years of age and it won't have been easy coming in the way he has. He's done well so far and improved bit by bit each game. I'm obsessed by the goalkeepers. Always have been, always will be. Bursik has been very typical of a young goalkeeper but yesterday he showed a maturity that you wouldn't ordinarily expect. He caught a fast head high cross early doors and it was obvious he was picking the flight of the ball early. He came and caught a free kick that their keeper took from half way and he picked the flight of the ball almost the instant it left the keepers foot. The mistakes, if you want to call them that, v Norwich, were also typical of a young keeper. Coached to operate from a very high starting position, as he had to retreat, he lost his bearings a bit and was probably no more than half a step too close to the near post. Even then, the finishes were across him and had to hit the side netting to beat him. We just have to be patient. Last night was a very good sign and will be a massive step forward in his development. He's very laid back, almost casual and that can be a good thing for a keeper. He's calm and looks like he'll be able to deal with a blunder and he will make them. So far so good in my opinion. The signs are very positive. Ronnie Sinclair he absolutely isn't. EDIT - Huge credit must go to O'Neil for having the faith to throw a youngster in. 20 is very young for a goalkeeper at this level and many managers would have opted for a more experienced alternative. O'Neil has given him the rope. He'll either climb it or hang himself with it. So far, he's climbing it. It's only harsh in the extreme if you assume I rate Ronnie Sinclair as poorly as you do- which I don't. He was probably flattered by the defence he played behind, but we've had far worse keepers than Sinclair over the years. I could name about 10 off the top of my head. Ronnie's problem was that he wasn't very big- probably about 5'10 I'd guess. He did the simple things well, but if anything hit the corners, he never seemed to get to it. From what we've seen of Bursik so far, I don't know how anyone could objectively argue that he's done anything other than that. He's not made any howlers, but shots have got past him that an average, experienced keeper at this level would be expected to save. Like you say though, he's young and he'll surely improve with experience. If I was comparing him to Gordon Marshall, now that would be harsh!
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Post by Olgrligm on Dec 3, 2020 18:45:42 GMT
It's a bit weird. Normally, goalkeepers who are good shot stoppers and make spectacular saves are ten a penny at this level, and the real differentiating feature is their ability to command their box, claim things in the air and rush out for one on ones.
Bursik looks brilliant at the latter, but is not as convincing on the former. I don't know what to make of it, but it's very impressive that he's been blessed with skills that normally develop as goalkeepers mature.
His distribution is also very good.
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Post by leicspotter on Dec 3, 2020 19:19:04 GMT
He does some things very well- he's really impressive at coming off his line and anticipating danger, kicking seems pretty good too. I'm a bit concerned about him actually stopping any shots though: everything on target seems to have gone in so far. He reminds me a bit of Ronnie Sinclair, who somehow went through his whole stoke career never making a mistake or a save. Ooh Ronnie Ronnie, Ronnie, Ronnie, Ronnie, Ronnie, Ronnie, Ronnie, Ronnie, Ronnie, Ronnie, Ronnie, Ronnie, Ronnie, Ronnie, Ronni, Ronn, Ron, Ro.....
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Post by Trouserdog on Dec 3, 2020 19:36:44 GMT
He does some things very well- he's really impressive at coming off his line and anticipating danger, kicking seems pretty good too. I'm a bit concerned about him actually stopping any shots though: everything on target seems to have gone in so far. He reminds me a bit of Ronnie Sinclair, who somehow went through his whole stoke career never making a mistake or a save. Ooh Ronnie Ronnie, Ronnie, Ronnie, Ronnie, Ronnie, Ronnie, Ronnie, Ronnie, Ronnie, Ronnie, Ronnie, Ronnie, Ronnie, Ronnie, Ronni, Ronn, Ron, Ro..... Exactly. 😁
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Post by robwahlmann on Dec 3, 2020 19:52:18 GMT
Thought Bursik was excellent last night, how he came out and got hold of crosses was very impressive! Actually he looked more comfortable going for crosses than Butland has done for years!
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Post by clarkeda on Dec 3, 2020 22:01:12 GMT
Is it me, or does he have a very similar style to Butland. His mannerisms, the way he sets his kicks up. His laid back attitude that’s confident almost arrogant.
It served Butland well up until that injury. Be interesting to see their careers side by side.
On another note. I wonder how much impact the fact thats he’s been parachuted into a team where a lot of his peers that he’s been playing with for years are thriving. Collins, Souttar, Tymon, Campbell, Verlinden etc.
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Post by foxysgloves on Dec 3, 2020 22:08:49 GMT
Is it me, or does he have a very similar style to Butland. His mannerisms, the way he sets his kicks up. His laid back attitude that’s confident almost arrogant. It served Butland well up until that injury. Be interesting to see their careers side by side. On another note. I wonder how much impact the fact thats he’s been parachuted into a team where a lot of his peers that he’s been playing with for years are thriving. Collins, Souttar, Tymon, Campbell, Verlinden etc. He’s also got a top class manager guiding him.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2020 23:41:19 GMT
He does some things very well- he's really impressive at coming off his line and anticipating danger, kicking seems pretty good too. I'm a bit concerned about him actually stopping any shots though: everything on target seems to have gone in so far. He reminds me a bit of Ronnie Sinclair, who somehow went through his whole stoke career never making a mistake or a save. That is harsh in the extreme. Ronnie Sinclair was a terrible goalkeeper saved by playing behind a brilliant team. The lad is 20 years of age and it won't have been easy coming in the way he has. He's done well so far and improved bit by bit each game. I'm obsessed by the goalkeepers. Always have been, always will be. Bursik has been very typical of a young goalkeeper but yesterday he showed a maturity that you wouldn't ordinarily expect. He caught a fast head high cross early doors and it was obvious he was picking the flight of the ball early. He came and caught a free kick that their keeper took from half way and he picked the flight of the ball almost the instant it left the keepers foot. The mistakes, if you want to call them that, v Norwich, were also typical of a young keeper. Coached to operate from a very high starting position, as he had to retreat, he lost his bearings a bit and was probably no more than half a step too close to the near post. Even then, the finishes were across him and had to hit the side netting to beat him. We just have to be patient. Last night was a very good sign and will be a massive step forward in his development. He's very laid back, almost casual and that can be a good thing for a keeper. He's calm and looks like he'll be able to deal with a blunder and he will make them. So far so good in my opinion. The signs are very positive. Ronnie Sinclair he absolutely isn't. EDIT - Huge credit must go to O'Neil for having the faith to throw a youngster in. 20 is very young for a goalkeeper at this level and many managers would have opted for a more experienced alternative. O'Neil has given him the rope. He'll either climb it or hang himself with it. So far, he's climbing it. Excellent summary of our present goalkeeping situation
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Post by bgreen13 on Dec 4, 2020 15:00:38 GMT
He's been OK the last 2 games but he's also not faced any shots due to our defence doing thier job.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 4, 2020 15:04:25 GMT
He's been OK the last 2 games but he's also not faced any shots due to our defence doing thier job. The fact that he can come and dominate under the high ball is a huge positive and one you wouldn't expect of a young keeper. Shot stopping, I doubt, will be an issue.
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Post by bgreen13 on Dec 4, 2020 16:24:43 GMT
He's been OK the last 2 games but he's also not faced any shots due to our defence doing thier job. The fact that he can come and dominate under the high ball is a huge positive and one you wouldn't expect of a young keeper. Shot stopping, I doubt, will be an issue. Yeah but all the shots that he faced in the previous 2 games went in. He's young, he'll learn but no doubt if he let's one in tomorrow he'll be back to being shit. There's no middle ground on here.
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Post by wrighter on Dec 4, 2020 17:17:44 GMT
Glad MON didnt drop Bursik, would have ruined his confidence,
Only good thing about Ronnie Sinclair is that he had an absolutely stunning wife !!!
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Post by Miles Offside on Dec 4, 2020 17:29:56 GMT
Very good performance tonight. Commanded his area well and the punch at the end was brilliant. He’s growing in confidence with every game and his distribution is brilliant. Well done Joe. Absolutely. Another young gem to go along with Campbell, Collins, Soutar and (hopefully) Oakley-Booth and Brown.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 4, 2020 18:15:24 GMT
The fact that he can come and dominate under the high ball is a huge positive and one you wouldn't expect of a young keeper. Shot stopping, I doubt, will be an issue. Yeah but all the shots that he faced in the previous 2 games went in. He's young, he'll learn but no doubt if he let's one in tomorrow he'll be back to being shit. There's no middle ground on here. He made a very good low save on his debut towards the end against Huddersfield and he made 1 save against Norwich also, albeit a straightforward one. I posted during the game v Huddersfield that he would have been disappointed with the 1st and 3rd goals (the first one I think he would expect to himself to save despite the deflection whilst the 3rd, he got caught in no-mans land, determined to come and stamp his authority but really doing no such thing). They weren't major errors though. The 2nd Norwich goal, as I've said before, was a mistake all young keepers make as they move through the age groups and adult levels. He was literally half a step too close to his near post and the finish was right into the side netting. It was a mistake of very fine margins but had his starting position not been so aggressive, he wouldn't have made that marginal error because he'd have been in a safe starting position in the first place. Time will tell on his shot stopping ability but I've seen him make superb saves in warm-ups with Butland when he was much younger than he is now. He did very well at Accrington, making plenty of saves and he'd started well at Doncaster. It's a step up in the Championship, certainly when facing the likes of Pukki and fine margins matter. You are right that there is no middle ground on here. We all get caught in the heat of the game. I just think its great that the manager has turned to him when it would have been dead easy for him to bring Lonergan in from the outset, leaving Bursik at Doncaster. It's brave management and it's great to see a young keeper given a chance. My own son is a young keeper and when he plays a year up (sometimes 2) it's not easy. Every little mistake gets punished because the standard is that bit better, the shots taken that bit earlier and are that bit more powerful and accurate. My pals were advocating taking him out of the firing line v Sheff Wed and I can understand that. I wanted us to persevere with him and I'm glad we did. He'll make mistakes for sure. He's young and learning his trade. For a young keeper, you really want to get 5 or 6 games under your belt with no mistakes then when you do make one its forgiven a bit more easily. Make one early on and people start gunning for you. He could easily have kept goal safely. A massive sign of his talent is that he hasn't. He's been aggressive in his starting positions, quick off his line, brave to play passes short and long and as a result, he opens himself up to the odd mistake. I'm looking forward to the game tomorrow especially because I'm looking forward to see how Bursik fares against a streetwise manager with a streetwise team of senior professionals. They'll have more quality than Wycombe but will likely be as direct in their approach so it will be a real test for him.
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Post by lordb on Dec 4, 2020 18:19:31 GMT
Yeah but all the shots that he faced in the previous 2 games went in. He's young, he'll learn but no doubt if he let's one in tomorrow he'll be back to being shit. There's no middle ground on here. He made a very good low save on his debut towards the end against Huddersfield and he made 1 save against Norwich also, albeit a straightforward one. I posted during the game v Huddersfield that he would have been disappointed with the 1st and 3rd goals (the first one I think he would expect to himself to save despite the deflection whilst the 3rd, he got caught in no-mans land, determined to come and stamp his authority but really doing no such thing). They weren't major errors though. The 2nd Norwich goal, as I've said before, was a mistake all young keepers make as they move through the age groups and adult levels. He was literally half a step too close to his near post and the finish was right into the side netting. It was a mistake of very fine margins but had his starting position not been so aggressive, he wouldn't have made that marginal error because he'd have been in a safe starting position in the first place. Time will tell on his shot stopping ability but I've seen him make superb saves in warm-ups with Butland when he was much younger than he is now. He did very well at Accrington, making plenty of saves and he'd started well at Doncaster. It's a step up in the Championship, certainly when facing the likes of Pukki and fine margins matter. You are right that there is no middle ground on here. We all get caught in the heat of the game. I just think its great that the manager has turned to him when it would have been dead easy for him to bring Lonergan in from the outset, leaving Bursik at Doncaster. It's brave management and it's great to see a young keeper given a chance. My own son is a young keeper and when he plays a year up (sometimes 2) it's not easy. Every little mistake gets punished because the standard is that bit better, the shots taken that bit earlier and are that bit more powerful and accurate. My pals were advocating taking him out of the firing line v Sheff Wed and I can understand that. I wanted us to persevere with him and I'm glad we did. He'll make mistakes for sure. He's young and learning his trade. For a young keeper, you really want to get 5 or 6 games under your belt with no mistakes then when you do make one its forgiven a bit more easily. Make one early on and people start gunning for you. He could easily have kept goal safely. A massive sign of his talent is that he hasn't. He's been aggressive in his starting positions, quick off his line, brave to play passes short and long and as a result, he opens himself up to the odd mistake. I'm looking forward to the game tomorrow especially because I'm looking forward to see how Bursik fares against a streetwise manager with a streetwise team of senior professionals. They'll have more quality than Wycombe but will likely be as direct in their approach so it will be a real test for him. Definitive post on the matter Only thing I would add is even if he goes from strength to strength there will be a point to take him out of the side. Most young players have a dip. Manager will be all over that though.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Dec 4, 2020 19:00:02 GMT
Yeah but all the shots that he faced in the previous 2 games went in. He's young, he'll learn but no doubt if he let's one in tomorrow he'll be back to being shit. There's no middle ground on here. He made a very good low save on his debut towards the end against Huddersfield and he made 1 save against Norwich also, albeit a straightforward one. I posted during the game v Huddersfield that he would have been disappointed with the 1st and 3rd goals (the first one I think he would expect to himself to save despite the deflection whilst the 3rd, he got caught in no-mans land, determined to come and stamp his authority but really doing no such thing). They weren't major errors though. The 2nd Norwich goal, as I've said before, was a mistake all young keepers make as they move through the age groups and adult levels. He was literally half a step too close to his near post and the finish was right into the side netting. It was a mistake of very fine margins but had his starting position not been so aggressive, he wouldn't have made that marginal error because he'd have been in a safe starting position in the first place. Time will tell on his shot stopping ability but I've seen him make superb saves in warm-ups with Butland when he was much younger than he is now. He did very well at Accrington, making plenty of saves and he'd started well at Doncaster. It's a step up in the Championship, certainly when facing the likes of Pukki and fine margins matter. You are right that there is no middle ground on here. We all get caught in the heat of the game. I just think its great that the manager has turned to him when it would have been dead easy for him to bring Lonergan in from the outset, leaving Bursik at Doncaster. It's brave management and it's great to see a young keeper given a chance. My own son is a young keeper and when he plays a year up (sometimes 2) it's not easy. Every little mistake gets punished because the standard is that bit better, the shots taken that bit earlier and are that bit more powerful and accurate. My pals were advocating taking him out of the firing line v Sheff Wed and I can understand that. I wanted us to persevere with him and I'm glad we did. He'll make mistakes for sure. He's young and learning his trade. For a young keeper, you really want to get 5 or 6 games under your belt with no mistakes then when you do make one its forgiven a bit more easily. Make one early on and people start gunning for you. He could easily have kept goal safely. A massive sign of his talent is that he hasn't. He's been aggressive in his starting positions, quick off his line, brave to play passes short and long and as a result, he opens himself up to the odd mistake. I'm looking forward to the game tomorrow especially because I'm looking forward to see how Bursik fares against a streetwise manager with a streetwise team of senior professionals. They'll have more quality than Wycombe but will likely be as direct in their approach so it will be a real test for him. Excellent post mate. I hope he repays your (and MON's) faith.
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Post by Veritas on Dec 4, 2020 19:11:25 GMT
The fact that he can come and dominate under the high ball is a huge positive and one you wouldn't expect of a young keeper. Shot stopping, I doubt, will be an issue. Yeah but all the shots that he faced in the previous 2 games went in. He's young, he'll learn but no doubt if he let's one in tomorrow he'll be back to being shit. There's no middle ground on here. No they didn't
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Post by Billy the kid on Dec 5, 2020 15:50:18 GMT
Coming of age, composed, alert and generally a fine performance against one of the better teams in the league, well done son.
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Post by a on Dec 5, 2020 15:54:09 GMT
Coming of age, composed, alert and generally a fine performance against one of the better teams in the league, well done son. Agreed, same second half please Joseph
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Post by Billy the kid on Dec 5, 2020 15:56:35 GMT
Coming of age, composed, alert and generally a fine performance against one of the better teams in the league, well done son. Agreed, same second half please Joseph I am really pleased for him, he has a natural ability, i dare say we will end up selling him for mega money, he is THAT GOOD.
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