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Post by sufolkstokie on Nov 21, 2020 20:32:23 GMT
10. That was absolutely superb entertainment. The game had virtually everything. Not good for the ticker though Spot on Firstly I want us to win and I dont care how Secondly I want to watch an entertaining game - which this was in bucket loads Some mistakes but as a game of football that was a 10 Championship style
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Post by mickstupp on Nov 21, 2020 20:38:21 GMT
I think he’s referring to James McLean. We missed him today, as we will on Tuesday. He’s had one good game 😂😂 I actually don’t disagree with most of what you say about him. His final ball is usually shocking. What he does give though is physicality and powerful running down that flank. The other positive is we can switch shape when he’s playing and go from 433 to 343 by moving him to wing back. They definitely targeted us down our left today.
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Post by foxysgloves on Nov 21, 2020 20:40:09 GMT
So having a third choice keeper doesn’t in anyway affect the game? Or make a manager inclined to try and close down a game you’re comfortably ahead in? To go in to that game hamstrung by losing both first choice keepers and come out with three points is in itself deserving of 8/10. Yet again you’re virtually on your own in awarding ridiculously low marks. But yet again you won’t admit to what is, as ever, blatant attention seeking. More fool me for responding I guess. It does, it makes backs to the wall tactics even worse! And it’s not. We put out a good damn good side and won playing badly because we have an outstanding front 3. No because we played poorly, conceded 3 which is poor however you swing it. Most people expected us to win this before kick off. We did but made a meal of it. The scores are in Bayern. 8s 9s and 10s from what I can see. Bar your 6. Either we’re all wrong, or you’re the only one who’s right.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Nov 21, 2020 20:44:46 GMT
It’s a results based business 0-1 down two keepers missing ahd the player of the season and to come back and win and strangle a free scouting game at the death is Perry good for me , he came through a very tricky game when the fates were against us in advance and after 20 mins was great . 10. Who’s the player of the season? McLean last years player of the season and won’t be repacked as such until the end of this one
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2020 20:48:01 GMT
To summise ...
Our first choice goalie ( and one of our star players ) was injured early in the season
Then our second choice goalie was injured
Now we are playing our third choice goalie
And we are 3 points off the top
That has to be a 9 for MoN , minimum
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 21, 2020 20:59:02 GMT
It does, it makes backs to the wall tactics even worse! And it’s not. We put out a good damn good side and won playing badly because we have an outstanding front 3. No because we played poorly, conceded 3 which is poor however you swing it. Most people expected us to win this before kick off. We did but made a meal of it. The scores are in Bayern. 8s 9s and 10s from what I can see. Bar your 6. Either we’re all wrong, or you’re the only one who’s right. I’m right obviously. People only go off the result and not the performance. It’s always been laughable. I mean you’re going off the season and not the game 😂
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Post by aloha63 on Nov 21, 2020 21:20:04 GMT
My ratings for Mon are as follows :
38 X 4 = 152 divided by 12 = 12.66 minus 4
= 8.66 this week
crazy bananas , we enjoy the crazy bananas
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Post by PotterLog on Nov 21, 2020 21:20:52 GMT
Makes me laugh when people say a 4-3 was a fantastic performance. If you concede three it’s hardly fkin perfect is it, 9s and tens are ridiculous. Reminds me of that Everton game when we were incredibly sloppy for much of the game but because we (fairly luckily) scored one more than them, and it was exciting, it’s hailed as a memorable performance.
The defending was shambolic at times today. Also annoys me how much Souttar is instructed to lump it when we have the ability to bring it out and play through midfield a bit.
It was a great win and a thrilling game but those things are entirely separate from being a clinical performance. They were there for an absolute hiding today but we gave them a chance of a point. I rate and respect MON enough to know he wouldn’t award any more than a 7 for that.
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Post by Little Gary Patel on Nov 21, 2020 22:10:31 GMT
Just because something worked doesn't mean it was the right thing to do. Erm... I think it does, surely? Right result wrong reason. I need to cool my house down, I'll smash my windows. That worked.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Nov 21, 2020 22:27:54 GMT
Makes me laugh when people say a 4-3 was a fantastic performance. If you concede three it’s hardly fkin perfect is it, 9s and tens are ridiculous. Reminds me of that Everton game when we were incredibly sloppy for much of the game but because we (fairly luckily) scored one more than them, and it was exciting, it’s hailed as a memorable performance. The defending was shambolic at times today. Also annoys me how much Souttar is instructed to lump it when we have the ability to bring it out and play through midfield a bit. It was a great win and a thrilling game but those things are entirely separate from being a clinical performance. They were there for an absolute hiding today but we gave them a chance of a point. I rate and respect MON enough to know he wouldn’t award any more than a 7 for that. But we are rating the manager not the players. The players were a joke at times yet the manager shuffled the pack and got us 3 points. His substitutions made sure we won a game we never looked comfortable in. From 82 minutes on, we looked the most comfortable we'd been and we saw out the game easily. The manager was excellent and got us 3 points despite the shambolic play from some of his troops. I revise my 11 to a 12. Thank fuck we've got a good manager
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Post by chayseeoatcake on Nov 21, 2020 22:37:14 GMT
Home game we should win 7 Subs 5 Result 3 points
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Post by Pugsley on Nov 21, 2020 22:41:13 GMT
Makes me laugh when people say a 4-3 was a fantastic performance. If you concede three it’s hardly fkin perfect is it, 9s and tens are ridiculous. Reminds me of that Everton game when we were incredibly sloppy for much of the game but because we (fairly luckily) scored one more than them, and it was exciting, it’s hailed as a memorable performance. The defending was shambolic at times today. Also annoys me how much Souttar is instructed to lump it when we have the ability to bring it out and play through midfield a bit. It was a great win and a thrilling game but those things are entirely separate from being a clinical performance. They were there for an absolute hiding today but we gave them a chance of a point. I rate and respect MON enough to know he wouldn’t award any more than a 7 for that. Being a that game on Boxing Day I can tell you it was a memorable performance. We weren't lucky, we played extremely well as did Everton.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 21, 2020 22:43:36 GMT
Makes me laugh when people say a 4-3 was a fantastic performance. If you concede three it’s hardly fkin perfect is it, 9s and tens are ridiculous. Reminds me of that Everton game when we were incredibly sloppy for much of the game but because we (fairly luckily) scored one more than them, and it was exciting, it’s hailed as a memorable performance. The defending was shambolic at times today. Also annoys me how much Souttar is instructed to lump it when we have the ability to bring it out and play through midfield a bit. It was a great win and a thrilling game but those things are entirely separate from being a clinical performance. They were there for an absolute hiding today but we gave them a chance of a point. I rate and respect MON enough to know he wouldn’t award any more than a 7 for that. But we are rating the manager not the players. The players were a joke at times yet the manager shuffled the pack and got us 3 points. His substitutions made sure we won a game we never looked comfortable in. From 82 minutes on, we looked the most comfortable we'd been and we saw out the game easily. The manager was excellent and got us 3 points despite the shambolic play from some of his troops. I revise my 11 to a 12. Thank fuck we've got a good manager We are and I thought the Collins sub was good, the Cousins one completely unnecessary and the strikers were subbed about 15 minutes too late.
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Post by PotterLog on Nov 21, 2020 22:45:00 GMT
Makes me laugh when people say a 4-3 was a fantastic performance. If you concede three it’s hardly fkin perfect is it, 9s and tens are ridiculous. Reminds me of that Everton game when we were incredibly sloppy for much of the game but because we (fairly luckily) scored one more than them, and it was exciting, it’s hailed as a memorable performance. The defending was shambolic at times today. Also annoys me how much Souttar is instructed to lump it when we have the ability to bring it out and play through midfield a bit. It was a great win and a thrilling game but those things are entirely separate from being a clinical performance. They were there for an absolute hiding today but we gave them a chance of a point. I rate and respect MON enough to know he wouldn’t award any more than a 7 for that. But we are rating the manager not the players. The players were a joke at times yet the manager shuffled the pack and got us 3 points. His substitutions made sure we won a game we never looked comfortable in. From 82 minutes on, we looked the most comfortable we'd been and we saw out the game easily. The manager was excellent and got us 3 points despite the shambolic play from some of his troops. I revise my 11 to a 12. Thank fuck we've got a good manager Fair points. We sat too deep too early for me and Souttar (and Collins) should be encouraged to play it out more though. Indeed thank fuck we’ve got a good manager
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Post by PotterLog on Nov 21, 2020 23:11:37 GMT
Makes me laugh when people say a 4-3 was a fantastic performance. If you concede three it’s hardly fkin perfect is it, 9s and tens are ridiculous. Reminds me of that Everton game when we were incredibly sloppy for much of the game but because we (fairly luckily) scored one more than them, and it was exciting, it’s hailed as a memorable performance. The defending was shambolic at times today. Also annoys me how much Souttar is instructed to lump it when we have the ability to bring it out and play through midfield a bit. It was a great win and a thrilling game but those things are entirely separate from being a clinical performance. They were there for an absolute hiding today but we gave them a chance of a point. I rate and respect MON enough to know he wouldn’t award any more than a 7 for that. Being a that game on Boxing Day I can tell you it was a memorable performance. We weren't lucky, we played extremely well as did Everton. I was as much frustrated as I was pleased by that game (until the last minute) and I definitely think we got a bit lucky to win it with a soft penno. But there ya go
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Post by bgreen13 on Nov 22, 2020 3:26:49 GMT
6 Collins sub good Cousins sub awful We need to improve our ball retention because the full backs just get hammered defensively. Anti Stoke weirdo
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Post by bgreen13 on Nov 22, 2020 3:28:45 GMT
Had the nouse to change it after 80 to relieve the pressure. Worked well.
Won and made a few look silly in the process.
9
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Post by davejohnno1 on Nov 22, 2020 6:56:50 GMT
But we are rating the manager not the players. The players were a joke at times yet the manager shuffled the pack and got us 3 points. His substitutions made sure we won a game we never looked comfortable in. From 82 minutes on, we looked the most comfortable we'd been and we saw out the game easily. The manager was excellent and got us 3 points despite the shambolic play from some of his troops. I revise my 11 to a 12. Thank fuck we've got a good manager We are and I thought the Collins sub was good, the Cousins one completely unnecessary and the strikers were subbed about 15 minutes too late. I think you are talking bollocks. Before Cousins came on we were totally under the cosh and had lost any kind of grip on the game. A defeat looked more likely than a win. After cousins came on we tightened up, gave them absolutely nothing and saw the game out easily. All his subs worked a treat. He was brave, left himself open to criticism but made the changes that won us the game. Excellent management.
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Post by hotpot on Nov 22, 2020 7:40:57 GMT
Why is Vokes, Ince and gregory still around, let alone being selected? For a moment, I thought MON wanted a draw when he put them on.
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Post by hotterpotter on Nov 22, 2020 7:55:31 GMT
You not see the just lumping it forward then , and then trying defend the lead last 20 mins If Huddersfield had lumped it forward a few times instead of tippy tappying between their keeper and defenders they might well have won the match.
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Post by chuckrocky on Nov 22, 2020 7:58:40 GMT
7 for me.
I was happy with the side he picked although it was another very sloppy start which required us going behind before we started playing.
I thought he was right to shut up shop for the last twenty minutes but the mistake he made was leaving Powell and Campbell as the two isolated strikers. Neither of them can play that role and they were both knackered.
It meant we had about a fifteen minute spell where we invited wave after wave of attacks as we couldn’t hold onto the ball. We were very comfortable once Vokes and Gregory came on.
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Post by ColonelMustard on Nov 22, 2020 8:10:04 GMT
You not see the just lumping it forward then , and then trying defend the lead last 20 mins Pulis ball Souttar Chester Batth Fox Clucas Mikel Cousins Gregory Vokes Fletcher
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Nov 22, 2020 8:34:36 GMT
Can't argue much with the starting eleven which always looked like it had goals in it. Sloppy defending nearly cost us dearly but at 4-3 MON took remedial action. I'd have had Vokes and Gregory on earlier as once Fletcher went off Campbell and Powell were unsuited to the roles they were being asked to play - and both looked like they were running on empty.
Can't understand the poster above who said MON should not have put Vokes and Gregory on - if he hadn't done we'd probably have lost because for a few minutes after Fletcher went off we had absolutely no out ball to relieve the pressure.
I hope MON can put a stop to our tendency to concede soon after we score ourselves, that could cost us this season if we don't put a stop to it.
8 from me.
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Post by foxysgloves on Nov 22, 2020 9:54:57 GMT
The scores are in Bayern. 8s 9s and 10s from what I can see. Bar your 6. Either we’re all wrong, or you’re the only one who’s right. I’m right obviously. People only go off the result and not the performance. It’s always been laughable. I mean you’re going off the season and not the game 😂 Ok. On the basis of the game exclusively.... 1. He’s had to set up with a third choice keeper who has had virtually no time to work on set up and familiarising himself with the system. Despite this we get the three points. 2. He’s made a number of substitutions in the match and actively responded when things have looked like getting away from us. Fair to argue he may have been a little slow to get the cavalry on in the form of Vokes and Gregory. But again, we get the three points. 3. You’ve been quick to praise the front three. Rightly so. But who selected them? And who gave them the instruction to operate the high press and do it so intelligently? See goal 3 for evidence. Brilliant from Fletcher and Campbell but does the manager not have a big part to play here. 10 or 9 for me. I’d understand an 8. At a push a 7. But a 6/10? Bollocks.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 22, 2020 9:57:28 GMT
I’m right obviously. People only go off the result and not the performance. It’s always been laughable. I mean you’re going off the season and not the game 😂 Ok. On the basis of the game exclusively.... 1. He’s had to set up with a third choice keeper who has had virtually no time to work on set up and familiarising himself with the system. Despite this we get the three points. 2. He’s made a number of substitutions in the match and actively responded when things have looked like getting away from us. Fair to argue he may have been a little slow to get the cavalry on in the form of Vokes and Gregory. But again, we get the three points. 3. You’ve been quick to praise the front three. Rightly so. But who selected them? And who gave them the instruction to operate the high press and do it so intelligently? See goal 3 for evidence. Brilliant from Fletcher and Campbell but does the manager not have a big part to play here. 10 or 9 for me. I’d understand an 8. At a push a 7. But a 6/10? Bollocks. We didn’t play well and they’re instructed to play long ball football when we should be trying to keep the ball and play football. The need to change formation was imo due to the way we had been set up to play.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 22, 2020 9:59:02 GMT
We are and I thought the Collins sub was good, the Cousins one completely unnecessary and the strikers were subbed about 15 minutes too late. I think you are talking bollocks. Before Cousins came on we were totally under the cosh and had lost any kind of grip on the game. A defeat looked more likely than a win. After cousins came on we tightened up, gave them absolutely nothing and saw the game out easily. All his subs worked a treat. He was brave, left himself open to criticism but made the changes that won us the game. Excellent management. Brave? He totally shat himself with the Cousins sub and just invited more pressure. Playing long ball football isn’t brave either, quite the opposite.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 22, 2020 10:00:53 GMT
You not see the just lumping it forward then , and then trying defend the lead last 20 mins Pulis ball Souttar Chester Batth Fox Clucas Mikel Cousins Gregory Vokes Fletcher We do just lump it in all fairness. The difference between Pulis’ side played from winning the scraps off the flick on, MON’s side play from winning the ball high up when we’ve lost it.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 22, 2020 10:01:50 GMT
6 Collins sub good Cousins sub awful We need to improve our ball retention because the full backs just get hammered defensively. Anti Stoke weirdo Pwingy to the rescue. Angry man.
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Post by dutchstokie on Nov 22, 2020 10:02:42 GMT
Can't argue much with the starting eleven which always looked like it had goals in it. Sloppy defending nearly cost us dearly but at 4-3 MON took remedial action. I'd have had Vokes and Gregory on earlier as once Fletcher went off Campbell and Powell were unsuited to the roles they were being asked to play - and both looked like they were running on empty. Can't understand the poster above who said MON should not have put Vokes and Gregory on - if he hadn't done we'd probably have lost because for a few minutes after Fletcher went off we had absolutely no out ball to relieve the pressure. I hope MON can put a stop to our tendency to concede soon after we score ourselves, that could cost us this season if we don't put a stop to it. 8 from me. Regarding your last sentence, we should just employ the ‘Shankley principle’ here.....
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 22, 2020 10:09:09 GMT
This pretty much sums it up for me.
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