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Post by prestwichpotter on Nov 20, 2020 13:06:03 GMT
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Post by somersetstokie on Nov 20, 2020 13:26:50 GMT
It's not ideal but at least we have an academy now to dip into - the lad could grab his opportunity with both hands whereby we've essentially got a free keeper who could move on for a decent transfer fee. If youngsters keep getting chances then we'll attract more and more decent quality ones. If he's not quite ready then we can loan an old pro or someone in the Prem with itchy feet anyway to tie us over. Read an article on the Sentinel site yesterday that mentioned if we were to explore the emergency loan route we can't loan from a Premier League team. Which could affect decision making going forwards! Is that ruling specific to the Premier League? How about Europe as a long shot. Also there is Scotland where I believe they might play some form of football similar to to our EFL.
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Post by ivorstokie on Nov 20, 2020 14:03:14 GMT
In the 1965-66 season Stoke had two international GKs on the books Leslie and O'Neil, but an 18 year old John Farmer , who I went to Wolstanton Grammar School with, got into the side and stayed there till Banksy arrived. I still remember the day , although I wasn't there. I was playing rugby for the school, when John played his first first team game. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Farmer_(footballer)I was at WGS too. I remember John as an excellent basketball player. I was two years above him but was in the same year as his brother Derek. No idea what happened to either of them. Anyone know?
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Post by JimmyisGod on Nov 20, 2020 14:14:13 GMT
I too was at Wolstanton Grammar at the same time as John Farmer, he was a couple of years younger. He was also a good cricketer for the school, a fast bowler as I remember.
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Post by maine on Nov 20, 2020 14:39:42 GMT
I was one of the few people questioning the purchase of Gordon, excellent though he was. John was first rate and (maybe) the money could have been better spent?
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Post by somersetstokie on Nov 20, 2020 15:21:05 GMT
I was one of the few people questioning the purchase of Gordon, excellent though he was. John was first rate and (maybe) the money could have been better spent? I saw Gordon have some terrific games for Stoke, and for the fans he was worth the transfer fee (£65,000?) for his League Cup Semi Final penalty save against Geoff Hurst alone.
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Post by sportsman on Nov 20, 2020 15:48:28 GMT
Tactic to tempt Huddersfield to come on to us to test him leaving space for us to tear them apart 😜
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Post by dirtclod on Nov 20, 2020 16:19:28 GMT
This keeper thing is getting close to the same situation as the drummer for Spinal Tap. . .
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Post by PotterLog on Nov 20, 2020 16:28:44 GMT
This keeper thing is getting close to the same situation as the drummer for Spinal Tap. . . You can't dust for vomit
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Post by dirtclod on Nov 20, 2020 16:40:57 GMT
This keeper thing is getting close to the same situation as the drummer for Spinal Tap. . . You can't dust for vomit OK - now cleaning up the coffee I spit out while laughing.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Nov 21, 2020 7:56:35 GMT
In the 1965-66 season Stoke had two international GKs on the books Leslie and O'Neil, but an 18 year old John Farmer , who I went to Wolstanton Grammar School with, got into the side and stayed there till Banksy arrived. I still remember the day , although I wasn't there. I was playing rugby for the school, when John played his first first team game. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Farmer_(footballer)I was at WGS too. I remember John as an excellent basketball player. I was two years above him but was in the same year as his brother Derek. No idea what happened to either of them. Anyone know? I too was at Woolie Grammar when John Farmer was there although I was a bit younger than him. Remember John coming back to present trophies at a sports day. He was a great servant to Stoke and stepped back up to the plate after Banks retired. Many ex players have said that Farmer was very competent keeper and money on Shilton was wasted. He went on to play for then manage Northwich Victoria. On a thread few years ago somebody said that he ended up managing a crisp making factory in Cheadle.
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Post by StaffordPotter on Nov 21, 2020 9:28:53 GMT
We've been a club blessed with a fine pedigree of goalkeepers throughout the years, and by the looks of these lads we have now it looks like it's a trend that's set to continue.
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Post by Goonie on Nov 21, 2020 9:45:19 GMT
This keeper thing is getting close to the same situation as the drummer for Spinal Tap. . . You can't dust for vomit The crowd can turn the volume all the way up to 11 today
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Post by a on Nov 21, 2020 17:18:26 GMT
Can’t blame him too much today. Yes he should’ve perhaps pushed the first around the post, as he did get a hand to it. Overall though he stepped up and was brave on a couple of occasions where others might’ve been rooted. The defence fucked him over today by all accounts and I’m sure he would’ve been extremely proud to have started, however 1 save and 3 conceded doesn’t read well, which is a shame for him. Hopefully with more cover in front he can get a clean sheet sooner rather than later.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Nov 21, 2020 17:22:50 GMT
I thought he did ok. The back four in front of him need to have a look at themselves, not getting touch tight when the play was right up on the edge of the box, not marking, all standing square instead of dropping off when they broke through our midfield, they just weren't concentrating
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Post by jeycov on Nov 21, 2020 17:25:34 GMT
Sensible to play Batth in front of him, just for his leadership skills IMO Down to all of them to keep the ball and play an attacking game. We concede 2 or 3, then we need to score 3 or 4 It’s all about the result There we go Great result
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Post by clarkeda on Nov 21, 2020 17:45:04 GMT
Didn’t disgrace himself at all for me. Couple of good blocks and stops.
I think the first takes a nick off Baath on the way through, and he is at fault for the 3rd.
But the defence has a nasty habit of when they think someone is offside of just stopping. Which ironically needs to stop.
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Post by liamo on Nov 21, 2020 17:56:55 GMT
Personally think Bursik did ok today, the defence needs a good slap between now and Tuesday however
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Post by darksideofthemoon on Nov 21, 2020 22:03:13 GMT
I was at WGS too. I remember John as an excellent basketball player. I was two years above him but was in the same year as his brother Derek. No idea what happened to either of them. Anyone know? I too was at Woolie Grammar when John Farmer was there although I was a bit younger than him. Remember John coming back to present trophies at a sports day. He was a great servant to Stoke and stepped back up to the plate after Banks retired. Many ex players have said that Farmer was very competent keeper and money on Shilton was wasted. He went on to play for then manage Northwich Victoria. On a thread few years ago somebody said that he ended up managing a crisp making factory in Cheadle. LL - I was just a couple of years behind John at WGS. I don't remember him coming back to present Trophies, so I must have left by then; which would suggest I'm somewhat older than you (?). I played in the First XV Rugby Team that was unbeaten in 1969. Is anyone else MY vintage by chance?
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Post by lawrieleslie on Nov 21, 2020 22:12:30 GMT
I too was at Woolie Grammar when John Farmer was there although I was a bit younger than him. Remember John coming back to present trophies at a sports day. He was a great servant to Stoke and stepped back up to the plate after Banks retired. Many ex players have said that Farmer was very competent keeper and money on Shilton was wasted. He went on to play for then manage Northwich Victoria. On a thread few years ago somebody said that he ended up managing a crisp making factory in Cheadle. LL - I was just a couple of years behind John at WGS. I don't remember him coming back to present Trophies, so I must have left by then; which would suggest I'm somewhat older than you (?). I played in the First XV Rugby Team that was unbeaten in 1969. Is anyone else MY vintage by chance? I was in 1st year as he was in 6th form so about 5-6 years younger than him. That would put you in 4th year. Think he came back to present trophies when I was 3rd of 4th year when you had left.
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Post by somersetstokie on Nov 21, 2020 22:48:57 GMT
As regards Bursik and his debut, I don't think that many, apart from the most optimistic Stokies, would have been expecting a clean sheet today in difficult conditions, so we should be happy enough that we got a positive result. We can move on from here and hopefully look to put together a bit of a run.
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Post by Davef on Nov 21, 2020 23:04:02 GMT
Having just watched the Quest highlights show, there were plenty of mistakes by goalkeepers today much more experienced than Joe Bursik.
As for the first goal, well yes, he probably should've saved it, but it's not too dissimilar to goals we've seen fly past Stoke keepers with far more appearances under their belts than Bursik over the last few seasons.
There was one incident in the first half when he cleared the ball well outside his area after the ball had broken loose. I'm telling you now, last season Butland would've been nowhere near it.
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Post by ChesterStokie on Nov 21, 2020 23:16:06 GMT
Having just watched the Quest highlights show, there were plenty of mistakes by goalkeepers today much more experienced than Joe Bursik. As for the first goal, well yes, he probably should've saved it, but it's not too dissimilar to goals we've seen fly past Stoke keepers with far more appearances under their belts than Bursik over the last few seasons. There was one incident in the first half when he cleared the ball well outside his area after the ball had broken loose. I'm telling you now, last season Butland would've been nowhere near it. Yes that first half incident I thought we’re in trouble here and then suddenly Bursik appears out of nowhere to clear the ball. Great judgement- Manuel Neuer would have been proud of that.
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Post by baystokie on Nov 21, 2020 23:20:17 GMT
Can’t blame him too much today. Yes he should’ve perhaps pushed the first around the post, as he did get a hand to it. Overall though he stepped up and was brave on a couple of occasions where others might’ve been rooted. The defence fucked him over today by all accounts and I’m sure he would’ve been extremely proud to have started, however 1 save and 3 conceded doesn’t read well, which is a shame for him. Hopefully with more cover in front he can get a clean sheet sooner rather than later. Sobering thought but Gordon Banks 'conceded' 2 in his first league game for Chesterfield in 1958 and went on to 'concede' a total of 36 that season - Seem to remember he didn't turn out to be too shabby a keeper even with that start
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Post by maninasuitcase on Nov 21, 2020 23:21:58 GMT
Still think the first goal took a nick off a defender. Just enough to take it past Bursik
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Nov 21, 2020 23:27:35 GMT
Sensible to play Batth in front of him, just for his leadership skills IMO Down to all of them to keep the ball and play an attacking game. We concede 2 or 3, then we need to score 3 or 4 It’s all about the result Mystic Meg
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Post by march4 on Nov 21, 2020 23:39:22 GMT
Bursik looked nervous to me - no surprise there.
He came out of his goal well on occasion.
It was evident that the defence were very deep when defending set pieces, I presume in an attempt to protect him. This probably made things worse for him.
He will be disappointed with the first and third goals. However, I had more confidence in him than Butland.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 21, 2020 23:42:57 GMT
Bursik looked nervous to me - no surprise there. He came out of his goal well on occasion. It was evident that the defence were very deep when defending set pieces, I presume in an attempt to protect him. This probably made things worse for him. He will be disappointed with the first and third goals. However, I had more confidence in him than Butland. He will be annoyed with the third but I’d be way more annoyed with the defenders for it. Their player was totally free and that is what Bursik has reacted to imo.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2020 0:25:40 GMT
Bursik looked nervous to me - no surprise there. He came out of his goal well on occasion. It was evident that the defence were very deep when defending set pieces, I presume in an attempt to protect him. This probably made things worse for him. He will be disappointed with the first and third goals. However, I had more confidence in him than Butland. He will be annoyed with the third but I’d be way more annoyed with the defenders for it. Their player was totally free and that is what Bursik has reacted to imo. Totally agree. He's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't there because whether he stays or comes it's a goal and people will still point fingers at him
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Post by Gary Hackett on Nov 22, 2020 1:53:39 GMT
It was his first game and our defenders didn't help him out at all with their keystone cops antics.
I felt a bit sorry for him actually. The manager should have realised sooner than he did too and added an extra defender in there once he realised what was happening.
I'm sure he'll be fine once he's settled in, he's no Haugaard that's for sure.
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