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Post by albundy on Nov 24, 2020 22:31:42 GMT
Probably over a whiskey before he read the rules 😄 Do the emergency keeper rules need to change? MON: The only real restriction we had was that we weren’t allow to take a goalkeeper from the Premier League. Probably, we would have looked at that route if it had been available to us and you can’t bring anyone in from overseas outside the transfer window. There are goalkeepers who are more senior who are potentially free agents but they’ve not played for a considerable amount of time. With Joe we felt like we were getting essentially a first choice goalkeeper from a League One club. That’s the best we could have hoped. No one in the Championship was going to give us their number one and once you look down the pecking order we felt we had as strong a situation within our own club, if not stronger. That was the one we stuck with. If we feel we need experienced cover, we will examine that depending on the continual assessment of where Adam and Angus are in terms of recovery. I don’t feel we are putting a young goalkeeper in who’s not played before, the young goalkeeper we’re putting in has a lot of experience for his age and comes into the game having had a good week having made his England under-21s debut. He needs to check his rule book then
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Post by crapslinger on Nov 25, 2020 11:51:46 GMT
I’d keep playing bursik. He’s confidence would go to rock bottom if he gets dropped now. Could do more harm than good to the lad if he keeps playing him, he's conceded 6 in two outings 3 of which our other keepers would most likely have saved, he cost us a point at least last night we can't afford to throw points away for the next six weeks.
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Post by xchpotter on Nov 25, 2020 12:10:20 GMT
I’d keep playing bursik. He’s confidence would go to rock bottom if he gets dropped now. Could do more harm than good to the lad if he keeps playing him, he's conceded 6 in two outings 3 of which our other keepers would most likely have saved, he cost us a point at least last night we can't afford to throw points away for the next six weeks. If we can get better in with more experience then he should be dropped. We can’t be a charity and as long as he is managed right and MON sits down with him and explains it’s not a poor reflection on him, then it needs to be done. Saturday will be rough house tactics with lots of elbows, shoving, aerial stuff and late challenges which will be too much for a young lad to take at this stage of his career with the shambles of our defence in front of him.
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Post by FranktheRabbit on Nov 25, 2020 12:38:21 GMT
Still under contract at Man Utd I think.
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Post by somersetstokie on Nov 25, 2020 13:03:22 GMT
I am told that in our current situation we are unable to get a loan player from a Premier League club, which would then rule out Grant at Man Utd. Those are the rules apparently, but if so they are far too inflexible. I am sure that, given the option, all parties would welcome a short term loan for the player. He would be welcomed back enthusiastically by Stoke. I'm sure that Grant himself would be well up for the challenge. And Utd would get some gametime and action for their currently under used resource. So in theory a loan is a welcome arrangement that is both beneficial and desirable for all concerned, so in these circumstances can we not argue a "special case?"
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Post by FranktheRabbit on Nov 25, 2020 13:19:09 GMT
I am told that in our current situation we are unable to get a loan player from a Premier League club, which would then rule out Grant at Man Utd. Those are the rules apparently, but if so they are far too inflexible. I am sure that, given the option, all parties would welcome a short term loan for the player. He would be welcomed back enthusiastically by Stoke. I'm sure that Grant himself would be well up for the challenge. And Utd would get some gametime and action for their currently under used resource. So in theory a loan is a welcome arrangement that is both beneficial and desirable for all concerned, so in these circumstances can we not argue a "special case?" I'm sure that if we were able to, he would have been one of our first calls and I am sure he would have been just as keen on a return as by the looks of things he's only made 2 first team appearances for them since joining, but unfortunately a free agent is our only option. Don't see it as too much of an issue myself as there seem a few solid keepers on the free agents list and Davies can't be too far off returning anyway. I do think whoever the new keeper is will be first choice now though and Bursik will be 2nd.
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Post by mrcoke on Nov 25, 2020 16:37:00 GMT
We have a GK problem, but we have a far bigger back line problem, if not a crisis.
Bursik has been hung out to dry in his 2 games. 6 goals conceded, none of them his fault. Opponents have been given a free shot at goal and have placed them well. It would have taken exceptionally good if not brilliant saves for any GK to save them.
Time and again this season/year I have turned to my wife and said we have a super GK, when Davies has saved our bacon with a superb save when our defence has failed/made an error. More than once Davies has been our "most valuable player" and saved the game for us. We are now missing his saves.
In my quarter season review post /thread I criticized our league performance this season in only one respect - goals conceded, where we were in the bottom half of the table. We are now one of the worst teams for goals conceded. For whatever reasons we have a defending problem. Something MO'N is well aware of I believe judging by his cautious approach to games.
Bursik should not be dropped. He hasn't made any serious errors, just not come up to Davies high standard. He must feel rotten, but my guess is no one in the club is blaming him for the goals conceded and everyone wants him to succeed. Do we honestly think Butland would have done any better defending those shots than Bursik? Better a young, very self confident, match-fit keeper than an old keeper who may be fit but hasn't played for months. I accept goal keeping is a profession where you need experience, but you also need to concentrate and be alert. Bursik will be learning fast.
Naturally we are disappointed with last night's result, but making the 20 year old GK the scapegoat is not justified and the real reason we lost.
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Post by skelman on Nov 25, 2020 18:40:21 GMT
Enter Niki Mäenpää perhaps?
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Post by callas12 on Nov 25, 2020 18:41:23 GMT
The rules definitely state that we can't loan a Premier League keeper.
But with regards to the mention of Lee Grant even if it were possible to loan from the Premier League im not so sure he's the best we could in right now anyway. Granted (no pun intended!) he never let us down during his covering period with us in our last season in the Prem but this was two & half years ago now. & I thought he was in the twilight of his career then.
He's knocking on the door of 38 and he's only played something like 3x bit part appearances for Man Utd in the last 2.5 seasons. Unless our coaching staff knew different im guessing that there would be better out there for short term cover.
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Post by stiggerstackle on Nov 25, 2020 18:48:31 GMT
Could do more harm than good to the lad if he keeps playing him, he's conceded 6 in two outings 3 of which our other keepers would most likely have saved, he cost us a point at least last night we can't afford to throw points away for the next six weeks. If we can get better in with more experience then he should be dropped. We can’t be a charity and as long as he is managed right and MON sits down with him and explains it’s not a poor reflection on him, then it needs to be done. Saturday will be rough house tactics with lots of elbows, shoving, aerial stuff and late challenges which will be too much for a young lad to take at this stage of his career with the shambles of our defence in front of him. Yup, as hard as it is for Bursik - if anybody knows how to target a young and inexperienced ‘keeper, it’s our Tone...
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Post by spiderpuss on Nov 25, 2020 18:59:21 GMT
If we can get better in with more experience then he should be dropped. We can’t be a charity and as long as he is managed right and MON sits down with him and explains it’s not a poor reflection on him, then it needs to be done. Saturday will be rough house tactics with lots of elbows, shoving, aerial stuff and late challenges which will be too much for a young lad to take at this stage of his career with the shambles of our defence in front of him. Yup, as hard as it is for Bursik - if anybody knows how to target a young and inexperienced ‘keeper, it’s our Tone... Cue large, ugly blokes with a nickname of killer coming up for every set-piece.
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Post by Veritas on Nov 25, 2020 19:07:59 GMT
Yup, as hard as it is for Bursik - if anybody knows how to target a young and inexperienced ‘keeper, it’s our Tone... Cue large, ugly blokes with a nickname of killer coming up for every set-piece. The one advantage is Batth and Souttar are strong in the air and may be able to offer a bit more protection than they did against the mobile Norwich front line.
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Post by cyprus1stokey on Nov 26, 2020 18:08:55 GMT
Thought it was close to completion, Any ideas anyone??
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 26, 2020 18:15:16 GMT
Thought it was close to completion, Any ideas anyone?? New goalie?
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Post by ivorstokie on Nov 26, 2020 18:27:18 GMT
Yes, this Niki Maenpaa geezer. All gone quiet.
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Post by somersetstokie on Nov 26, 2020 18:37:12 GMT
He's probably injured!
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Post by somersetstokie on Nov 26, 2020 18:43:23 GMT
Several clubs have now had positive tests for the current strange malaise of goalkeeper incapacitation. I think the first major case was at Crystal Palace a few weeks ago, which resulted in Jack Butland joining the Selhurst Park bubble. Now, following the critical outbreak at Stoke, I hear that Sheffield Wed have been affected too.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Nov 26, 2020 19:02:19 GMT
Thought it was close to completion, Any ideas anyone?? According to Faceache he's signed. Edit Sorry missed the 'to' in the headline. I don't get Faceache and just assumed as it had popped up on my front page it was new rather than the usual Sentinul rehash.
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Post by FullerMagic on Nov 26, 2020 19:40:31 GMT
Doesn't appear to be a rush as it doesn't seem like he's an immediate contender to start
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Nov 26, 2020 20:36:22 GMT
If we don’t sign a keeper fir these two away games we deserve what we get as the current occupant is simply not up to it let alone the fire and brimstone coming on Saturday
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Post by expectedtoulouse on Nov 27, 2020 10:01:14 GMT
What goalkeeper situation? Smirks.
Let’s hope we can score 4 on Saturday.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 27, 2020 11:08:07 GMT
Doesn't appear to be a rush as it doesn't seem like he's an immediate contender to start Christ that's disappointing.
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Post by mickstupp on Nov 27, 2020 11:19:27 GMT
It quite obvious that the defenders have very little confidence in Bursik. I fear for us tomorrow with him in goal again.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 27, 2020 11:22:01 GMT
It quite obvious that the defenders have very little confidence in Bursik. I fear for us tomorrow with him in goal again. Is it? Playing a high line imo shows great confidence, if they were worried they'd be deeper. What have you seen that you think they don't have confidence in him?
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Post by fulagoals on Nov 27, 2020 11:40:40 GMT
Yes, this Niki Maenpaa geezer. All gone quiet. Joining Sheff Wed at the last minute!
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Post by mickstupp on Nov 27, 2020 11:45:30 GMT
It quite obvious that the defenders have very little confidence in Bursik. I fear for us tomorrow with him in goal again. Is it? Playing a high line imo shows great confidence, if they were worried they'd be deeper. What have you seen that you think they don't have confidence in him? I’m just watching the general lack of encouragement from the players and the shaking of heads/ hands on hips body language when their first two goals went in on Tuesday. I could be looking too much into it, but it looked a bit like a total lack of confidence in the lad.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 27, 2020 11:50:35 GMT
Is it? Playing a high line imo shows great confidence, if they were worried they'd be deeper. What have you seen that you think they don't have confidence in him? I’m just watching the general lack of encouragement from the players and the shaking of heads/ hands on hips body language when their first two goals went in on Tuesday. I could be looking too much into it, but it looked a bit like a total lack of confidence in the lad. Fair but I think a bit of that as well will be with themselves or at least it should be. I don't think they've given him anywhere near the protection needed.
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Post by spitthedog on Nov 27, 2020 11:58:42 GMT
I’m just watching the general lack of encouragement from the players and the shaking of heads/ hands on hips body language when their first two goals went in on Tuesday. I could be looking too much into it, but it looked a bit like a total lack of confidence in the lad. Fair but I think a bit of that as well will be with themselves or at least it should be. I don't think they've given him anywhere near the protection needed. They (defenders) need to concentrate on their jobs, cant blame the goalkeeper for poor defending. I don't buy that as an excuse.
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Post by scfc75 on Nov 27, 2020 12:05:38 GMT
Well with 7 goals all season and ‘expansive Tone’ in charge, there’s not much fear of our goal getting peppered with shots. More likely we need a keeper that can command his box at set pieces than be an athletic shot stopper this weekend.
It’s actually a good chance for Bursik to get a confidence boosting clean sheet.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 27, 2020 12:11:34 GMT
Fair but I think a bit of that as well will be with themselves or at least it should be. I don't think they've given him anywhere near the protection needed. They (defenders) need to concentrate on their jobs, cant blame the goalkeeper for poor defending. I don't buy that as an excuse. I think you can and we've definitely seen it with Butland where they had no idea what he was about to do and that made their decision process that little bit more prolonged and then shit happens. I haven't seen that with Bursik I don't think. I've just seen bad defending.
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