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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 18, 2020 18:01:21 GMT
A lot of people watch football for the matchday experience. And most Stoke fans I know won't watch anyone but Stoke. So why would they pay a tenner to watch a souless game if they're not that interested in the football anyway? Why would they not be interested in the football, if they were Stoke fans? The discussion was around why only 3,000 people were bothering with the streams. I listed some reasons and said that there would be more. The income is pocket change for the club, are they duty-bound to put them on? (I don't know?) Then someone pointed out that the 3,000 was indicative of a drop-off in interest in following the club, and I don't think it is. Because you don’t get the match day experience. And if they’re not that bothered in the football then why would they watch it? The game is only a part of what they want.
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Post by spitthedog on Nov 18, 2020 18:08:28 GMT
They should be happy that some people are still even interested.
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Post by lancashirelad on Nov 18, 2020 20:48:25 GMT
A report in the Blackburn paper says from the 'ifollow' service the club get around £8 per sale for both home and away sales. So to support Stoke City in these hard times think about buying your stream directly from the club, i am not TS honestly
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Post by ab61 on Nov 18, 2020 21:59:02 GMT
A report in the Blackburn paper says from the 'ifollow' service the club get around £8 per sale for both home and away sales. So to support Stoke City in these hard times think about buying your stream directly from the club, i am not TS honestly If it meant saving the club yes. I would. But when players are earning the amount they are (good luck to them) I’ll stick to my free illegal stream. Seeing as I’m self employed and had literally no money since February. Thanks 👍
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Post by spitthedog on Nov 19, 2020 0:18:43 GMT
A report in the Blackburn paper says from the 'ifollow' service the club get around £8 per sale for both home and away sales. So to support Stoke City in these hard times think about buying your stream directly from the club, i am not TS honestly If it meant saving the club yes. I would. But when players are earning the amount they are (good luck to them) I’ll stick to my free illegal stream. Seeing as I’m self employed and had literally no money since February. Thanks 👍 Same here really. Zero Furlough, despite being 70% self employed. Ive been living off 30% income since end of March. I cant justify £20 a week in streams.
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Post by spitthedog on Nov 19, 2020 2:39:47 GMT
They could/should do pay as you feel/can afford min.£5 then those who are happy to pay a tenner can still do so if that pleases them.
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Post by nott1 on Nov 19, 2020 9:34:53 GMT
Feckin liars, who do they think they are kidding? The streamers will always find a way to get round the rules and they know that!
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Post by reddipotter on Nov 19, 2020 10:59:18 GMT
I've watched all 9 games last season and all games so far this through the official stream and it's buffered for about 10 seconds in total. I like the coverage as it is and don't need talking heads before or after the game. I also enjoy the radio stoke commentary. All in all I'm very pleased and will continue paying the £10 each game. I feel I'm supporting the club I love by doing so. Exactly. If I buy the official stream then some money is going to the club (which is essentially a good thing) but if I buy an illegal stream then I have no idea where my money is going. The clue is in the word 'illegal' and I'd be pretty sure that some of them are funding organised crime.
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Post by a on Nov 19, 2020 13:37:59 GMT
There are 9 games in December I think, I know I'm not going to be paying £90. Why would anyone pay £90 when you can pay £50 for a year IPTV with all ppv events and every sky channel. I think the sky bubble will burst soon If that happens then that’ll be no sky cameras recording games to be streamed meaning IPTV won’t show games either. The cost of streaming does seem excessive but I suppose they need revenue for wages etc
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Post by kustokie on Nov 19, 2020 13:40:29 GMT
If it meant saving the club yes. I would. But when players are earning the amount they are (good luck to them) I’ll stick to my free illegal stream. Seeing as I’m self employed and had literally no money since February. Thanks 👍 Same here really. Zero Furlough, despite being 70% self employed. Ive been living off 30% income since end of March. I cant justify £20 a week in streams. I am billed 20 pounds a month. Is it different for overseas streaming?
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Post by spitthedog on Nov 19, 2020 13:43:25 GMT
Same here really. Zero Furlough, despite being 70% self employed. Ive been living off 30% income since end of March. I cant justify £20 a week in streams. I am billed 20 pounds a month. Is it different for overseas streaming? I meant if you are paying per game. £10 a game right/2 games most weeks? or do the club do monthly rates?
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Post by TinkerT on Nov 19, 2020 15:25:10 GMT
Why would anyone pay £90 when you can pay £50 for a year IPTV with all ppv events and every sky channel. I think the sky bubble will burst soon If that happens then that’ll be no sky cameras recording games to be streamed meaning IPTV won’t show games either. The cost of streaming does seem excessive but I suppose they need revenue for wages etc Every game sky show if streamed on another channel. If sky went bust you'd still be able to watch via other stations.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Nov 20, 2020 9:07:31 GMT
It's nothing like the real thing but I'd rather be giving the club my money than some dodgy outfit making money off the club's back. I get some people genuinely can't afford £10 but I'd have spent that on a season ticket so clearly I can - and I'm saving on travel and car parking expenses.
To anyone concerned about the streaming quality don't be, it's good. I suspect anyone having problems probably needs to check their wi fi and broadband speeds. At the end of the day it's a choice and I'll carry on paying my tenner until I can get back into the ground. And in terms of the football it's far better than the horror show of this time last year.
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Post by skemstokie on Nov 20, 2020 10:54:56 GMT
It's nothing like the real thing but I'd rather be giving the club my money than some dodgy outfit making money off the club's back. I get some people genuinely can't afford £10 but I'd have spent that on a season ticket so clearly I can - and I'm saving on travel and car parking expenses. To anyone concerned about the streaming quality don't be, it's good. I suspect anyone having problems probably needs to check their wi fi and broadband speeds. At the end of the day it's a choice and I'll carry on paying my tenner until I can get back into the ground. And in terms of the football it's far better than the horror show of this time last year. You mention some people can`t afford £10 fee but surely same people could not afford to attend the match if that was possible.Presuming they do not live alone if anyone else in household is a Stoke fan share the cost? And i agree i think any problems streaming are more likely to be broadband speed as i have had no problems whatsoever.
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Post by stantheman on Nov 20, 2020 11:00:55 GMT
I pay for the official stream and have never had a problem with its quality. I don't want to listen to people in some makeshift studio talking bullocks about the team formation. I'm not interested in someone trying to to give away a signed shirt. I just want to log in 5 minutes before kickoff, watch the match and then log off. As for the commentary, I can take it or leave it by turning the sound down. I think it's money well spent for a service which I've had no issues with.
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Post by flea79 on Nov 20, 2020 13:17:53 GMT
It's nothing like the real thing but I'd rather be giving the club my money than some dodgy outfit making money off the club's back. I get some people genuinely can't afford £10 but I'd have spent that on a season ticket so clearly I can - and I'm saving on travel and car parking expenses. To anyone concerned about the streaming quality don't be, it's good. I suspect anyone having problems probably needs to check their wi fi and broadband speeds. At the end of the day it's a choice and I'll carry on paying my tenner until I can get back into the ground. And in terms of the football it's far better than the horror show of this time last year. You mention some people can`t afford £10 fee but surely same people could not afford to attend the match if that was possible.Presuming they do not live alone if anyone else in household is a Stoke fan share the cost? And i agree i think any problems streaming are more likely to be broadband speed as i have had no problems whatsoever. in fairness i pay my season ticket monthly and it costs less than what it would cost to stream all the stoke games every month
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Post by ab61 on Nov 20, 2020 13:32:20 GMT
You mention some people can`t afford £10 fee but surely same people could not afford to attend the match if that was possible.Presuming they do not live alone if anyone else in household is a Stoke fan share the cost? And i agree i think any problems streaming are more likely to be broadband speed as i have had no problems whatsoever. in fairness i pay my season ticket monthly and it costs less than what it would cost to stream all the stoke games every month Your season ticket doesn’t include away games though !
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Post by flea79 on Nov 20, 2020 13:52:01 GMT
in fairness i pay my season ticket monthly and it costs less than what it would cost to stream all the stoke games every month Your season ticket doesn’t include away games though ! No very valid point! Personally I hate paying for a stream from whichever source I feel that the games should not be played without fans, it’s just proved once and for all it is no longer our game!
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Post by Miles Offside on Nov 20, 2020 15:20:28 GMT
I've never paid for an illegal stream, not because I'm rich or don't want a bargain, but because I'm wary of giving my payment details to a potentially dodgy source.
A tenner for the official stream is cheaper than a matchday ticket, so no complaints about the price, and it gives me the option of watching away games.
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Post by skemstokie on Nov 20, 2020 16:34:35 GMT
You mention some people can`t afford £10 fee but surely same people could not afford to attend the match if that was possible.Presuming they do not live alone if anyone else in household is a Stoke fan share the cost? And i agree i think any problems streaming are more likely to be broadband speed as i have had no problems whatsoever. in fairness i pay my season ticket monthly and it costs less than what it would cost to stream all the stoke games every month And do you not have to pay for transport,parking and do you go to all the away games?
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Post by spitthedog on Nov 20, 2020 16:43:23 GMT
It's nothing like the real thing but I'd rather be giving the club my money than some dodgy outfit making money off the club's back. I get some people genuinely can't afford £10 but I'd have spent that on a season ticket so clearly I can - and I'm saving on travel and car parking expenses. To anyone concerned about the streaming quality don't be, it's good. I suspect anyone having problems probably needs to check their wi fi and broadband speeds. At the end of the day it's a choice and I'll carry on paying my tenner until I can get back into the ground. And in terms of the football it's far better than the horror show of this time last year. You mention some people can`t afford £10 fee but surely same people could not afford to attend the match if that was possible.Presuming they do not live alone if anyone else in household is a Stoke fan share the cost? And i agree i think any problems streaming are more likely to be broadband speed as i have had no problems whatsoever. My income is 70% less during Covid, so £10 stream twice a week feels more expensive than going to a game at the moment. Plus the experience is not comparable.
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Post by skemstokie on Nov 20, 2020 22:53:32 GMT
You mention some people can`t afford £10 fee but surely same people could not afford to attend the match if that was possible.Presuming they do not live alone if anyone else in household is a Stoke fan share the cost? And i agree i think any problems streaming are more likely to be broadband speed as i have had no problems whatsoever. My income is 70% less during Covid, so £10 stream twice a week feels more expensive than going to a game at the moment. Plus the experience is not comparable. These are hard times for sure and the experience on a stream is different to live action but if live action is not available or in my case (c.o.p.d) not a option i will pay up,i understand your comments but do you travel to all games home and away? if not it would work out at £5 per week on average.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Nov 21, 2020 7:24:24 GMT
A report in the Blackburn paper says from the 'ifollow' service the club get around £8 per sale for both home and away sales. So to support Stoke City in these hard times think about buying your stream directly from the club, i am not TS honestly If it meant saving the club yes. I would. But when players are earning the amount they are (good luck to them) I’ll stick to my free illegal stream. Seeing as I’m self employed and had literally no money since February. Thanks 👍 I don’t have an issue with people who can’t afford a tenner per game and it’s a shame that the club can’t do something to support that by reducing the price etc as some contribution is better than no contribution. I would however say that is it’s not the clubs fault the players are so high right now because they didn’t forecast the effect of Covid when they got their contracts.
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Post by spitthedog on Nov 21, 2020 9:36:10 GMT
If it meant saving the club yes. I would. But when players are earning the amount they are (good luck to them) I’ll stick to my free illegal stream. Seeing as I’m self employed and had literally no money since February. Thanks 👍 I don’t have an issue with people who can’t afford a tenner per game and it’s a shame that the club can’t do something to support that by reducing the price etc as some contribution is better than no contribution. I would however say that is it’s not the clubs fault the players are so high right now because they didn’t forecast the effect of Covid when they got their contracts. I think a more flexible and imaginative approach would be possibly more beneficial for the club. I would suggest a minimum of a £5 and people could pay more (£10) if they want, or could afford. Surely that's something all those posters would do if they are so passionate about the income stream it creates for the club? This rate I think would also deter piracy/illegal streams so the club would get the money they are 'losing' anyway. This would also have the potential of attracting new supporters if marketed properly which I believe the club need. There are businesses that are offering services at variable rates for those who have income impacted by Covid so its nothing unusual. Some have posted that the income from streaming for the games is peanuts for the club anyway. If that is the case, then surely there is the scope for a more flexible approach.
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Post by RF10 on Nov 21, 2020 9:37:37 GMT
I've got a better idea. Temp Suspend FFP, allow the owners to provide 15,000 free streams with any donations made from users going straight to Community trust / Dougie mac / Donna louise.
Will show nationally what we do for the fans in the same way the free travel did.
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Post by slother on Nov 21, 2020 14:00:49 GMT
I would pay something to watch SCFC (in fact, I do) but I won't pay £10 a game. I rarely get to a game because that just happens to be the type of fan I am. One observation: football is no longer in a world where it's the only thing going on on a Saturday bar fishing and the cinema. It is competing for punters in a world of free entertainment. People no longer spend their free time in their city, they have the world piped in to their living rooms.
Football has to adapt. And if it means that Tony Scholes and John Obi Mikel need to take a 90% pay cut I'm absolutely fine with that.
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Post by skip on Nov 21, 2020 19:03:42 GMT
Me and the nipper adore Nigel's commentary. Today's highlight: "Apologies, I have been called Jacob Brown Jason Brown. It's Jason and the Argonauts and Jacob Brown for Stoke City." Adorable, it a little hatstand.
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Post by danceswithclams on Nov 21, 2020 19:07:15 GMT
Me and the nipper adore Nigel's commentary. Today's highlight: "Apologies, I have been called Jacob Brown Jason Brown. It's Jason and the Argonauts and Jacob Brown for Stoke City." Adorable, it a little hatstand. The Jason and The Argonauts monologue was a highlight 😂
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Post by skip on Nov 21, 2020 19:09:53 GMT
Today's highlight: "Apologies, I have been called Jacob Brown Jason Brown. It's Jason and the Argonauts and Jacob Brown for Stoke City." Adorable, it a little hatstand. The Jason and The Argonauts monologue was a highlight 😂 "Either team could win this, no two ways about it." And the one where he got fencing mixed up with jousting. Was it fencing? Anyway, he referred to Stoke having dropped their lance, but all I could think was "Nige you total legend, that's the wrong medieval thing you are referring to."
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Post by kjpt140v on Nov 21, 2020 20:56:02 GMT
My stream failed today, I'll have to recover £30 tomorrow.
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