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Post by Roger Everyone on Nov 16, 2020 19:53:53 GMT
I'm just not paying a tenner for a stream that regularly breaks. I must be lucky, it's never not worked for me this season.
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Post by Roger Everyone on Nov 16, 2020 19:55:48 GMT
£10 should or could include more than the stream. Something that makes it more worthwhile. Matchday programme as a downloadable PDF for a start. Start the service from, say 1pm, behind the scenes and so on. They could make something great, or just charge a tenner for something that you either ignore or find elsewhere. A draw for a signed shirt out of people paying would be a nice touch, it needs something to go with paying £10
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Post by lancashirelad on Nov 16, 2020 20:19:51 GMT
The service is not ideal but a tenner which hopefully most goes to the club. The adverts are a pain but at least i get see Stoke.
I know the matchday cost (in the pre covid world) is not in every ones budget sadly and will be harder for a lot more post covid but if you have/ can afford it please help the club by buying through the club, they need income.
The service i have through ifollow has been good only a couple of buffering issues.
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Post by spitthedog on Nov 16, 2020 20:24:30 GMT
£10 should or could include more than the stream. Something that makes it more worthwhile. Matchday programme as a downloadable PDF for a start. Start the service from, say 1pm, behind the scenes and so on. They could make something great, or just charge a tenner for something that you either ignore or find elsewhere. Exactly, they are just so f****n lazy and unimaginative. Absolutely no effort made to engage with supporters during Covid-19 Imho its 3000 because the support base, especially amongst youngsters, for this club is dropping off the edge of a cliff. Will be interesting to see what the crowds are when it does go back to Live.
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Post by Gabrielzakuaniandjuliet on Nov 16, 2020 20:38:17 GMT
There may be some moral ambiguity over paying for the official service or finding a cheaper method, but it seems to me that many people would be quite willing to pay something of a premium in order to 'play fair' so to speak, if they felt the club were making a reasonable effort to meet them half way. For example, premium prices being reflected by a premium product. Or the current system, which screams low budget, offered at a reasonable price?
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Post by SamB_SCFC on Nov 16, 2020 21:24:51 GMT
There may be some moral ambiguity over paying for the official service or finding a cheaper method, but it seems to me that many people would be quite willing to pay something of a premium in order to 'play fair' so to speak, if they felt the club were making a reasonable effort to meet them half way. For example, premium prices being reflected by a premium product. Or the current system, which screams low budget, offered at a reasonable price? Yeah I agree with that. In the end of the day, it's very easy to find good quality free or very cheap streams on IPTV that are pretty much identical to the £10 official streams. Many IPTV services are around £50 for a year and you get pretty much every channel you could wish for on top of all the football league streams and a load of on demand films and tv shows for that price too. £10 per game, £460 a season doesn't even remotely compete on price so it's understandable why so many people go for the cheap illegal option. As a result, the club needs to provide more value for its £10 price to encourage people to use it. Some proper pre and post match presentation and analysis would help and maybe some extras like people have suggested like a digital programme and even loyalty points which fans can put towards discounts on future streams or priority for physical tickets when attendance finally resumes. Something that can't be replicated and offered by the illegal services.
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Post by jaybee on Nov 16, 2020 22:17:44 GMT
It would be interesting to see how many "subscribers" Bojan and Rob have to their services, then ask how many of them would pay for the official service if the "others" weren't available. I doubt the 3k official users would significantly increase even if the "other" services were unavailable. Gouranga. Well, the 'original' guy told me that he had "500+" customers
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Post by skip on Nov 16, 2020 22:23:10 GMT
£10 should or could include more than the stream. Something that makes it more worthwhile. Matchday programme as a downloadable PDF for a start. Start the service from, say 1pm, behind the scenes and so on. They could make something great, or just charge a tenner for something that you either ignore or find elsewhere. Exactly, they are just so f****n lazy and unimaginative. Absolutely no effort made to engage with supporters during Covid-19 Imho its 3000 because the support base, especially amongst youngsters, for this club is dropping off the edge of a cliff. Will be interesting to see what the crowds are when it does go back to Live. Exactly. If there was a little spot of invention and lateral thinking, this could be the Covid-19 gesture equivalent to the free away game coach travel.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 16, 2020 22:54:35 GMT
Is it more about helping the club though these uncertain times,we have FFP hanging over our heads so every penny helps,come January the same Pepole who moan about paying out to help will be moaning about lack of transfers. 😂it won’t make a jot of a difference
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2020 23:16:52 GMT
My take on it is if you can afford £10 you should pay to support the club. If not fine, pay for a cheap stream. Me and my lad watch it together so I see it as £5 each which isn't bad.
I have never once had the stream buffer and have watched every one since lockdown.
Yes the commentary is amateurish but I have my own eyes so not a problem. Nige is actually comedy gold at times.
Like most I would prefer to be there in person but until it's safe I'm ok with it.
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Post by skip on Nov 16, 2020 23:43:22 GMT
Me and the nipper adore Nigel's commentary.
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Post by Trouserdog on Nov 17, 2020 6:42:45 GMT
There may be some moral ambiguity over paying for the official service or finding a cheaper method, but it seems to me that many people would be quite willing to pay something of a premium in order to 'play fair' so to speak, if they felt the club were making a reasonable effort to meet them half way. For example, premium prices being reflected by a premium product. Or the current system, which screams low budget, offered at a reasonable price? I don't think people would...a lot will always go for the cheap option because they want everything in life for free.
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Post by Rt Hon Reverend Luvpump on Nov 17, 2020 7:14:48 GMT
There are 9 games in December I think, I know I'm not going to be paying £90. Why would anyone pay £90 when you can pay £50 for a year IPTV with all ppv events and every sky channel. I think the sky bubble will burst soon Sky’s bubble has been bursting for about 20 years!
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Post by Gabrielzakuaniandjuliet on Nov 17, 2020 9:44:14 GMT
There may be some moral ambiguity over paying for the official service or finding a cheaper method, but it seems to me that many people would be quite willing to pay something of a premium in order to 'play fair' so to speak, if they felt the club were making a reasonable effort to meet them half way. For example, premium prices being reflected by a premium product. Or the current system, which screams low budget, offered at a reasonable price? I don't think people would...a lot will always go for the cheap option because they want everything in life for free. Yeah, you're right, there will always be those people. There will also be people who would always do it the 'right' way and wouldn't compromise. I really believe that the majority of people are somewhere in the middle and the club could be doing more to win them over.
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Post by nott1 on Nov 17, 2020 11:01:21 GMT
Everything EFL touches is a disaster so they will have zilch success stopping the streams (hopefully).
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Post by marylandstoke on Nov 17, 2020 13:44:33 GMT
It would be interesting to see how many "subscribers" Bojan and Rob have to their services, then ask how many of them would pay for the official service if the "others" weren't available. I doubt the 3k official users would significantly increase even if the "other" services were unavailable. Gouranga. I have a friend 😉 who lives overseas. When we were first relegated he paid for a years subscription service to the club. It was an absolute disaster! The streams were technically awful and the communications terrible. It was never clear whether a match would be available based on local broadcasting rights but those weren’t available via any local broadcaster anyway. He then started paying a few quid to a some bloke he discovered on an Internet forum The streams could be intermittent but whenever the Stoke stream would go down he’d do his best to get the opposition clubs feed up. Basically some chap in his bedroom providing a better service than the club. My ‘mate’ actually wouldn’t resent making a bit more of a financial contribution (although a tenner seems a bit steep) to the club but he doesn’t trust them to provide a better service than the pirates Wow, do I know you Swampy? Note for note there other than pointing out the feed was far more aweful than you describe. It is worth pointing out that this was happening at the same time that season ticket holders were unable to get their seats on a match day. Blood had been found in the dairy items for sale in the concourse, it wasn’t possible to get a cold beer and no one from the club would return emails, either technical or asking for reimbursement. At the time the best thing that the club could have done was look on here, tap up this one guy I’m thinking of and brought him on. Pretty sure union scale would be appropriate in this case and we get a good service. Head of Digital Media (Broadcast)
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Post by The battheader chronicles on Nov 17, 2020 18:28:10 GMT
£10 should or could include more than the stream. Something that makes it more worthwhile. Matchday programme as a downloadable PDF for a start. Start the service from, say 1pm, behind the scenes and so on. They could make something great, or just charge a tenner for something that you either ignore or find elsewhere. Exactly, they are just so f****n lazy and unimaginative. Absolutely no effort made to engage with supporters during Covid-19 Imho its 3000 because the support base, especially amongst youngsters, for this club is dropping off the edge of a cliff. Will be interesting to see what the crowds are when it does go back to Live. I don’t think it says too much about the fan base at the younger end but if you can listen to it on radio stoke for free or get a dodgy stream most will probs save the tenner Think getting people back will be interesting early doors. People will have found other things to spend their ST money on and might take a few months to get back in the habit as it were. Will help if we’re doing well as we are atm
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Post by swampmongrel on Nov 17, 2020 19:00:46 GMT
I have a friend 😉 who lives overseas. When we were first relegated he paid for a years subscription service to the club. It was an absolute disaster! The streams were technically awful and the communications terrible. It was never clear whether a match would be available based on local broadcasting rights but those weren’t available via any local broadcaster anyway. He then started paying a few quid to a some bloke he discovered on an Internet forum The streams could be intermittent but whenever the Stoke stream would go down he’d do his best to get the opposition clubs feed up. Basically some chap in his bedroom providing a better service than the club. My ‘mate’ actually wouldn’t resent making a bit more of a financial contribution (although a tenner seems a bit steep) to the club but he doesn’t trust them to provide a better service than the pirates Wow, do I know you Swampy? Note for note there other than pointing out the feed was far more aweful than you describe. It is worth pointing out that this was happening at the same time that season ticket holders were unable to get their seats on a match day. Blood had been found in the dairy items for sale in the concourse, it wasn’t possible to get a cold beer and no one from the club would return emails, either technical or asking for reimbursement. At the time the best thing that the club could have done was look on here, tap up this one guy I’m thinking of and brought him on. Pretty sure union scale would be appropriate in this case and we get a good service. Head of Digital Media (Broadcast) Be interesting to see how far subscriptions fell off after that ridiculous first season. All the user names that you saw on here complaining (legitimately) are the same ones that you now see in the other places. I’d love to see a proper explanation over the decision not to go with iFollow like almost every other Club does in this league.
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Post by kidcrewbob on Nov 18, 2020 8:33:02 GMT
We use the stream via an X-Box based browser and never had any problems. Main pain is remembering to buy it onlne - a right palavar through the crap website and there should be a season pass available at a discount.....come on Stoke sort it
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Post by DC1863 on Nov 18, 2020 9:15:48 GMT
Some exceptional high horses being paraded around in this thread.
Imagine blaming a lack of transfer funds on someone listening to the radio.
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Post by shipshape on Nov 18, 2020 9:20:37 GMT
The outrage will go off the scale, no doubt, if signing up to the official stream is used as some sort of prioritisation for folk going back to the ground.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2020 9:23:56 GMT
£10 should or could include more than the stream. Something that makes it more worthwhile. Matchday programme as a downloadable PDF for a start. Start the service from, say 1pm, behind the scenes and so on. They could make something great, or just charge a tenner for something that you either ignore or find elsewhere. Exactly, they are just so f****n lazy and unimaginative. Absolutely no effort made to engage with supporters during Covid-19 Imho its 3000 because the support base, especially amongst youngsters, for this club is dropping off the edge of a cliff. Will be interesting to see what the crowds are when it does go back to Live. Or, people have some false perception that 'the stream constantly breaks'. It never has for me, and I've bought all of the streams this season. Or, people would rather pay £1 to someone on here to watch it via Kast. Or, some people are just annoyed that the club don't post them out a matchday pom-pom as part of the £10 package. There are numerous reasons as to why it's only 3,000 - but having witnessed what we have for the past 3 years, I don't get why people would desert the club now?? I suppose the club would be within their rights to say "you know what??..if only 3,000 of you are interested in the streams, there's no point doing them".
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Post by stokecitytalke on Nov 18, 2020 9:40:11 GMT
I've watched all 9 games last season and all games so far this through the official stream and it's buffered for about 10 seconds in total. I like the coverage as it is and don't need talking heads before or after the game. I also enjoy the radio stoke commentary. All in all I'm very pleased and will continue paying the £10 each game. I feel I'm supporting the club I love by doing so.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 18, 2020 9:48:51 GMT
Exactly, they are just so f****n lazy and unimaginative. Absolutely no effort made to engage with supporters during Covid-19 Imho its 3000 because the support base, especially amongst youngsters, for this club is dropping off the edge of a cliff. Will be interesting to see what the crowds are when it does go back to Live. Or, people have some false perception that 'the stream constantly breaks'. It never has for me, and I've bought all of the streams this season. Or, people would rather pay £1 to someone on here to watch it via Kast. Or, some people are just annoyed that the club don't post them out a matchday pom-pom as part of the £10 package. There are numerous reasons as to why it's only 3,000 - but having witnessed what we have for the past 3 years, I don't get why people would desert the club now?? I suppose the club would be within their rights to say "you know what??..if only 3,000 of you are interested in the streams, there's no point doing them". A lot of people watch football for the matchday experience. And most Stoke fans I know won't watch anyone but Stoke. So why would they pay a tenner to watch a souless game if they're not that interested in the football anyway?
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Post by spitthedog on Nov 18, 2020 9:48:52 GMT
Exactly, they are just so f****n lazy and unimaginative. Absolutely no effort made to engage with supporters during Covid-19 Imho its 3000 because the support base, especially amongst youngsters, for this club is dropping off the edge of a cliff. Will be interesting to see what the crowds are when it does go back to Live. Or, people have some false perception that 'the stream constantly breaks'. It never has for me, and I've bought all of the streams this season. Or, people would rather pay £1 to someone on here to watch it via Kast. Or, some people are just annoyed that the club don't post them out a matchday pom-pom as part of the £10 package. There are numerous reasons as to why it's only 3,000 - but having witnessed what we have for the past 3 years, I don't get why people would desert the club now?? I suppose the club would be within their rights to say "you know what??..if only 3,000 of you are interested in the streams, there's no point doing them". They are getting 30K a game for doing bugger all. That's a pretty good reason for keeping them going.
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Post by ab61 on Nov 18, 2020 9:58:13 GMT
Or, people have some false perception that 'the stream constantly breaks'. It never has for me, and I've bought all of the streams this season. Or, people would rather pay £1 to someone on here to watch it via Kast. Or, some people are just annoyed that the club don't post them out a matchday pom-pom as part of the £10 package. There are numerous reasons as to why it's only 3,000 - but having witnessed what we have for the past 3 years, I don't get why people would desert the club now?? I suppose the club would be within their rights to say "you know what??..if only 3,000 of you are interested in the streams, there's no point doing them". They are getting 30K a game for doing bugger all. That's a pretty good reason for keeping them going. When you look at the players wages ! Unfortunately it’s like us receiving 30p. As said above somewhere. Doesn’t make a jot of difference to the running of the club.
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Post by spitthedog on Nov 18, 2020 12:07:14 GMT
They are getting 30K a game for doing bugger all. That's a pretty good reason for keeping them going. When you look at the players wages ! Unfortunately it’s like us receiving 30p. As said above somewhere. Doesn’t make a jot of difference to the running of the club. You could use that argument for a lot of stuff a football club produces, like match day programmes. Match day programmes don't keep a club running but they are part of the clubs match day experience for the fans who buy them. Just because they don't pay all the player's wages doesn't mean that the clubs shouldn't bother with them or not put any effort into producing them. At the same time clubs can get a decent return on them if they sell well.
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Post by ab61 on Nov 18, 2020 12:22:10 GMT
When you look at the players wages ! Unfortunately it’s like us receiving 30p. As said above somewhere. Doesn’t make a jot of difference to the running of the club. You could use that argument for a lot of stuff a football club produces, like match day programmes. Match day programmes don't keep a club running but they are part of the clubs match day experience for the fans who buy them. Just because they don't pay all the player's wages doesn't mean that the clubs shouldn't bother with them or not put any effort into producing them. At the same time clubs can get a decent return on them if they sell well. I agree with all that mate. It was more intended for people saying you should pay the £10 to help the club and not use illegal streams. I don’t feel guilty as I know it’s not life or death to our club. Though I have bought around 6 or seven games in iFollow and never had a problem with the quality.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2020 17:05:44 GMT
Or, people have some false perception that 'the stream constantly breaks'. It never has for me, and I've bought all of the streams this season. Or, people would rather pay £1 to someone on here to watch it via Kast. Or, some people are just annoyed that the club don't post them out a matchday pom-pom as part of the £10 package. There are numerous reasons as to why it's only 3,000 - but having witnessed what we have for the past 3 years, I don't get why people would desert the club now?? I suppose the club would be within their rights to say "you know what??..if only 3,000 of you are interested in the streams, there's no point doing them". A lot of people watch football for the matchday experience. And most Stoke fans I know won't watch anyone but Stoke. So why would they pay a tenner to watch a souless game if they're not that interested in the football anyway? Why would they not be interested in the football, if they were Stoke fans? The discussion was around why only 3,000 people were bothering with the streams. I listed some reasons and said that there would be more. The income is pocket change for the club, are they duty-bound to put them on? (I don't know?) Then someone pointed out that the 3,000 was indicative of a drop-off in interest in following the club, and I don't think it is.
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Post by werrington on Nov 18, 2020 17:59:31 GMT
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