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Post by The battheader chronicles on Nov 16, 2020 14:27:29 GMT
Bought a couple at the start of the season but sat there with the radio on and a cup of tea does the job and saves the tenner.
Not surprising numbers and would I imagine be the same across the league
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Post by skip on Nov 16, 2020 14:30:23 GMT
£10 should or could include more than the stream. Something that makes it more worthwhile. Matchday programme as a downloadable PDF for a start. Start the service from, say 1pm, behind the scenes and so on. They could make something great, or just charge a tenner for something that you either ignore or find elsewhere.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 16, 2020 14:35:59 GMT
If the product the club was providing was any good then it would make sense but it's not.
Having radio commentary for tv is awful.
Having Nigel Johnson accidently commit hate crimes every week and Angela Smith providing a dire dirge makes it even worse.
They need dedicated commentators for the tv pictures. It just doesn't work with radio commentary.
And watching football on tv that you actually care about is shit and not worth 10 quid. It's just not the same in any way shape or form or worth it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2020 14:51:25 GMT
I think it's fair. Take it, or leave it. For roughly the cost of my S/T, I can watch my team both Home and Away, 46 games, and I don't have to pay for those I can't watch, for whatever reason. Plus, there are a few on Sky.
Is it ideal? Of course not, is anything these days? But, it's better than nothing.
Guaranteed, if the club said that they 'can't be arsed' to offer a stream of every game, people would moan about that.
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Post by TinkerT on Nov 16, 2020 14:53:24 GMT
If the product the club was providing was any good then it would make sense but it's not. Having radio commentary for tv is awful. Having Nigel Johnson accidently commit hate crimes every week and Angela Smith providing a dire dirge makes it even worse. They need dedicated commentators for the tv pictures. It just doesn't work with radio commentary. And watching football on tv that you actually care about is shit and not worth 10 quid. It's just not the same in any way shape or form or worth it. Its ifollow not stoke as every ifollow channel has the local radio
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 16, 2020 14:58:35 GMT
If the product the club was providing was any good then it would make sense but it's not. Having radio commentary for tv is awful. Having Nigel Johnson accidently commit hate crimes every week and Angela Smith providing a dire dirge makes it even worse. They need dedicated commentators for the tv pictures. It just doesn't work with radio commentary. And watching football on tv that you actually care about is shit and not worth 10 quid. It's just not the same in any way shape or form or worth it. Its ifollow not stoke as every ifollow channel has the local radio Is that some form of rule or just because it's cheaper? I suspect it's the latter. It just doesn't work as a viewing experience.
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Post by TinkerT on Nov 16, 2020 15:01:27 GMT
Its ifollow not stoke as every ifollow channel has the local radio Is that some form of rule or just because it's cheaper? I suspect it's the latter. It just doesn't work as a viewing experience. Probably the latter as they'd have to pay for what, another 50-60 at least as they'd need 2 per game and probably producers so likely be around 100 for all ifollow
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 16, 2020 15:06:06 GMT
Is that some form of rule or just because it's cheaper? I suspect it's the latter. It just doesn't work as a viewing experience. Probably the latter as they'd have to pay for what, another 50-60 at least as they'd need 2 per game and probably producers so likely be around 100 for all ifollow And I get why clubs wouldn't want to do it tbh. But you could give it a good go with a low budget if you're allowed. I hate listening to football on the radio and will always choose to not bother than listening to the radio. This has just enforced that hatred tbh. It's a poxy medium for football and when you add a picture to the commentary, it's even worse.
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Post by chiswickpotter on Nov 16, 2020 15:39:49 GMT
i have paid for all the matches i've been able to watch. £10 is far less than i'd normally spend on a matchday, so i don't mind. I appreciate a lot of people may not be in the same boat financially, however, the club have looked after us fans very well in recent years, so if i can put some back into their coffers, no matter how small, i will. I think it's the right thing to do, and karma etc... I agree with this wholeheartedly. The club tried hard to keep its costs down to allow for the average supporter to still go and watch Prem games etc when the times were good. It’s a shame that so many refuse to pay that back. Hopefully they can hold out another year or so for fans to return. Me too. If it helps the club that’s good for me. Every time anyone uses an illegal stream that takes money out of football and risks future TV deals being lower which will hurt all clubs.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 16, 2020 15:45:10 GMT
I agree with this wholeheartedly. The club tried hard to keep its costs down to allow for the average supporter to still go and watch Prem games etc when the times were good. It’s a shame that so many refuse to pay that back. Hopefully they can hold out another year or so for fans to return. Me too. If it helps the club that’s good for me. Every time anyone uses an illegal stream that takes money out of football and risks future TV deals being lower which will hurt all clubs. Don't we need football to implode a little?
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Post by ab61 on Nov 16, 2020 15:49:04 GMT
If the product the club was providing was any good then it would make sense but it's not. Having radio commentary for tv is awful. Having Nigel Johnson accidently commit hate crimes every week and Angela Smith providing a dire dirge makes it even worse. They need dedicated commentators for the tv pictures. It just doesn't work with radio commentary. And watching football on tv that you actually care about is shit and not worth 10 quid. It's just not the same in any way shape or form or worth it. You do know we’re in the middle of a pandemic don’t you. And fingers crossed this is temporary. I guess if it was long term it would be pretty close to what you say. But as the club thought they would be letting in spectators not so long ago and the situation being fluid I guess it’s difficult.
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Post by ChesterStokie on Nov 16, 2020 15:50:41 GMT
Me too. If it helps the club that’s good for me. Every time anyone uses an illegal stream that takes money out of football and risks future TV deals being lower which will hurt all clubs. Don't we need football to implode a little? PL yes The rest of football no
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 16, 2020 15:54:31 GMT
If the product the club was providing was any good then it would make sense but it's not. Having radio commentary for tv is awful. Having Nigel Johnson accidently commit hate crimes every week and Angela Smith providing a dire dirge makes it even worse. They need dedicated commentators for the tv pictures. It just doesn't work with radio commentary. And watching football on tv that you actually care about is shit and not worth 10 quid. It's just not the same in any way shape or form or worth it. You do know we’re in the middle of a pandemic don’t you. And fingers crossed this is temporary. I guess if it was long term it would be pretty close to what you say. But as the club thought they would be letting in spectators not so long ago and the situation being fluid I guess it’s difficult. I do but it's something I think they should have been doing for u23 games years ago.
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Post by Cast no shadow on Nov 16, 2020 15:58:29 GMT
I paid £30 for a years iptv. Watched all Stoke games without any hiccups, watched ppv boxing, all the cricket, golf, tennis, movies etc.. For that price I'd get 3 games (sat, Wed, sat) with radio stoke commentary.
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Post by skemstokie on Nov 16, 2020 16:07:08 GMT
I paid £30 for a years iptv. Watched all Stoke games without any hiccups, watched ppv boxing, all the cricket, golf, tennis, movies etc.. For that price I'd get 3 games (sat, Wed, sat) with radio stoke commentary. Do you support Stoke? if yes then £10 to watch is a bargain.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 16, 2020 16:10:39 GMT
I paid £30 for a years iptv. Watched all Stoke games without any hiccups, watched ppv boxing, all the cricket, golf, tennis, movies etc.. For that price I'd get 3 games (sat, Wed, sat) with radio stoke commentary. Do you support Stoke? if yes then £10 to watch is a bargain. What has that got to do with anything? For what you get it's an absolute rip off.
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Post by Cast no shadow on Nov 16, 2020 16:14:23 GMT
I paid £30 for a years iptv. Watched all Stoke games without any hiccups, watched ppv boxing, all the cricket, golf, tennis, movies etc.. For that price I'd get 3 games (sat, Wed, sat) with radio stoke commentary. Do you support Stoke? if yes then £10 to watch is a bargain. £460 to watch Stoke on my TV is a bargain? I've just explained what I can get for £30, that's a bargain. I'm a Stoke fan not daft.
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Post by obhstokie on Nov 16, 2020 16:16:08 GMT
At the end of last season I traded what was left of my Season Ticket for a pass to watch all the remaining games via the official stream. I hated it! I hate watching Stoke on TV anyway, but without a crowd it was even worse I decided not to bother with any streaming...official or otherwise, not about the money. Average home match would cost me £20 in fuel, £10 in beer + SC...on a quiet day. Away games could really run the price up, especially if we made a weekend of it... There is was always so much more to match day than the game itself...really miss it I'm exactly the same, I've had a season ticket at Stoke for 20 years and try to get to as many away games as I can. But what I've realised since March, is that I absolutely hate watching football on a screen. And I have been brought up during the sky era I am 100% Stoke & will go back as soon as we can, but when we were allowed before lockdown I was going to local football and getting food & drink etc for a similar price to the stream. And I enjoyed it so much more. Makes you realise how little affiliation people who support the top clubs despite never going have to the club, for me it's all about the whole experience We should always remember, football isn't a tv programme
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Post by simple on Nov 16, 2020 17:05:51 GMT
Is it more about helping the club though these uncertain times,we have FFP hanging over our heads so every penny helps,come January the same Pepole who moan about paying out to help will be moaning about lack of transfers.
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Post by Olgrligm on Nov 16, 2020 17:16:38 GMT
It seems pretty basic to me.
If you offer a reasonable but fairly mediocre product at what seems like a very high price and somebody else offers the same product illegally for 10% of the cost, then you will lose a significant number of people to the illegal product, especially when there are practically no consequences for those who purchase illegal streams.
Your two options are to either shut down the illegal streams, which has been a losing battle for over a decade now, or provide a better product at a competitive price.
What you shouldn't do is offer a service with a price that is way over the top for what you receive and then go all shocked Pikachu face when nobody uses it.
I know that the club's hands are tied by the mad requirements of the provider that all games must cost £10, but as somebody says above, they could make it more enticing by making it a more holistic media experience.
Incidwntally, I've had some shocking service from SCFC streams in the past few years, but it has been absolutely immaculate since the start of lockdown, and I do enjoy the dulcet tones of Nige to accompany the match instead of a smug Sky Sports android and the inevitable Don Goodman.
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Post by raythesailor on Nov 16, 2020 17:53:53 GMT
I would doubt that these unofficial streams are attracting audiences in the multi thousands, most likely in the hundreds.
Also the 3000 subscribers could well be far more viewers. I have subscribed repeatedly since the start of the season and there are two of us watching.
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Post by zerps on Nov 16, 2020 17:56:45 GMT
Unofficial streams are far cheaper 😉
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Post by skemstokie on Nov 16, 2020 17:58:10 GMT
Do you support Stoke? if yes then £10 to watch is a bargain. £460 to watch Stoke on my TV is a bargain? I've just explained what I can get for £30, that's a bargain. I'm a Stoke fan not daft. And illegal also deny funds the team you support?
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Post by ab61 on Nov 16, 2020 18:09:14 GMT
I would doubt that these unofficial streams are attracting audiences in the multi thousands, most likely in the hundreds. Also the 3000 subscribers could well be far more viewers. I have subscribed repeatedly since the start of the season and there are two of us watching. Yes says in the article 3,000 subscribers. 7,500 estimated to be watching.
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Post by Trouserdog on Nov 16, 2020 18:20:38 GMT
It doesn't apply in our case (thank goodness), but I wonder if any of the people who head for the free streams rather than pay £10 will make the connection between them doing that and their club going out of business this season?
If I supported a club that didn't have mega-rich owners, I'd be heartbroken to see people offering free streams and so many 'supporters' queueing up to take it rather than help their club financially at a time of dire need. Says a lot about human nature.
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Nov 16, 2020 18:24:40 GMT
It would be interesting to see how many "subscribers" Bojan and Rob have to their services, then ask how many of them would pay for the official service if the "others" weren't available. I doubt the 3k official users would significantly increase even if the "other" services were unavailable. Gouranga.
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Post by kustokie on Nov 16, 2020 18:41:36 GMT
There are 9 games in December I think, I know I'm not going to be paying £90. I believe am paying 20 pounds for 4 weeks on a rolling basis, with option to cancel at any time.
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Post by right on Nov 16, 2020 18:45:22 GMT
A huge portion of those watching "pirated" streams will not pay ten for the Stoke City official stream. The club will only benefit slightly from cracking down. They will lose good will which is certainly more valuable than the small amount of revenue that will increase.
Why doesn't the club offer a better way for supporters to help the club financially? Instead of a low-production video feed, they should honestly make that free. Work on sell merchandise. Make 2020 collectors items
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Post by cobhamstokey on Nov 16, 2020 19:40:48 GMT
I agree with this wholeheartedly. The club tried hard to keep its costs down to allow for the average supporter to still go and watch Prem games etc when the times were good. It’s a shame that so many refuse to pay that back. Hopefully they can hold out another year or so for fans to return. Me too. If it helps the club that’s good for me. Every time anyone uses an illegal stream that takes money out of football and risks future TV deals being lower which will hurt all clubs. Well said. If we went bust because people were watching illegal streams at least I could say I did my bit. There must be clubs in an even more precarious position than us who could go out of business without the streams revenue.
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Post by swampmongrel on Nov 16, 2020 19:46:34 GMT
It would be interesting to see how many "subscribers" Bojan and Rob have to their services, then ask how many of them would pay for the official service if the "others" weren't available. I doubt the 3k official users would significantly increase even if the "other" services were unavailable. Gouranga. I have a friend 😉 who lives overseas. When we were first relegated he paid for a years subscription service to the club. It was an absolute disaster! The streams were technically awful and the communications terrible. It was never clear whether a match would be available based on local broadcasting rights but those weren’t available via any local broadcaster anyway. He then started paying a few quid to a some bloke he discovered on an Internet forum The streams could be intermittent but whenever the Stoke stream would go down he’d do his best to get the opposition clubs feed up. Basically some chap in his bedroom providing a better service than the club. My ‘mate’ actually wouldn’t resent making a bit more of a financial contribution (although a tenner seems a bit steep) to the club but he doesn’t trust them to provide a better service than the pirates
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