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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 23, 2021 11:03:56 GMT
Haven't seen much of this series having been busy at work for once but watched whole day today. Unfair maybe on one day's viewing and I know it's a slightly different squad but India is going to be a bloodbath isn't it?
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Post by crowey on Jan 23, 2021 11:26:20 GMT
Haven't seen much of this series having been busy at work for once but watched whole day today. Unfair maybe on one day's viewing and I know it's a slightly different squad but India is going to be a bloodbath isn't it? ... agree, a bloodbath v India B from what I witnessed at the Gabba. Hope Jimmy Anderson’s still in form for the Ashes here in November. I get dogs abuse in my group as the token Pom
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Post by partickpotter on Jan 23, 2021 11:26:53 GMT
Haven't seen much of this series having been busy at work for once but watched whole day today. Unfair maybe on one day's viewing and I know it's a slightly different squad but India is going to be a bloodbath isn't it? Possibly. It might depend on how India choose to prepare their wickets. Unlike Sri Lanka they have lots of quality in their pace attack - arguably more than with their spinners (mind you, they are still very good). Consequently India’s pitches have become less of a spinners paradise in recent times (I think the tour when Swan and Monty out bowled their spinners spooked them!). The IPL also has some influence here. So, if they want to deploy their quicks we may be better off. If it’s a battle of the spinners, I think we are toast.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jan 23, 2021 11:30:31 GMT
Haven't seen much of this series having been busy at work for once but watched whole day today. Unfair maybe on one day's viewing and I know it's a slightly different squad but India is going to be a bloodbath isn't it? Possibly. It might depend on how India choose to prepare their wickets. Unlike Sri Lanka they have lots of quality in their pace attack - arguably more than with their spinners (mind you, they are still very good). Consequently India’s pitches have become less of a spinners paradise in recent times (I think the tour when Swan and Monty out bowled their spinners spooked them!). The IPL also has some influence here. So, if they want to deploy their quicks we may be better off. If it’s a battle of the spinners, I think we are toast. The good news is Jadeja is injured
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jan 23, 2021 11:55:04 GMT
Root is in fantastic nick
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 23, 2021 12:00:19 GMT
Is there the slightest chance of a change of heart for Bairstow for India?
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jan 23, 2021 13:12:27 GMT
Sibley is the worse player I've seen at gauging length against spin in quite some time.
Root and Bairstow excellent again, need them to kick on tomorrow and carry on where they left off.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jan 23, 2021 13:13:20 GMT
Is there the slightest chance of a change of heart for Bairstow for India? Apparently he's happy about going home so I'd guess not unfortunately.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 23, 2021 13:35:05 GMT
Is there the slightest chance of a change of heart for Bairstow for India? Apparently he's happy about going home so I'd guess not unfortunately. Not like him. It's actually quite a long tour by modern standards. Is anyone likely to play all forms and do the full 8 weeks?
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jan 23, 2021 15:31:52 GMT
Is there the slightest chance of a change of heart for Bairstow for India? Apparently he's happy about going home so I'd guess not unfortunately. According to Ed Smith, I’m not convinced personally..
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Post by chuckrocky on Jan 23, 2021 17:01:42 GMT
We’ll do well to draw this test from here, we need a big day with the bat tomorrow with a couple of players scoring tons.
As for India, it’s a certainty that we’ll lose the series, I just hope we give them a couple of good games and don’t roll over for them.
I’m not a fan of all this swapping and changing the side to give certain players a rest from ‘the bubble’. Your country should always come first, if you’re not available to play for your country because you need a rest after playing overseas for a franchise then you should lose your central contract with the national side.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jan 23, 2021 17:51:33 GMT
We’ll do well to draw this test from here, we need a big day with the bat tomorrow with a couple of players scoring tons. As for India, it’s a certainty that we’ll lose the series, I just hope we give them a couple of good games and don’t roll over for them. I’m not a fan of all this swapping and changing the side to give certain players a rest from ‘the bubble’. Your country should always come first, if you’re not available to play for your country because you need a rest after playing overseas for a franchise then you should lose your central contract with the national side. We are living in unprecedented times so surely you can cut them some slack? Living in a hotel room away from your family for months at a time would get to you I'm guessing?.. I don't think Bairstow has got a central Test contact anymore anyway, could be wrong on that though. I know Wood hasn't for sure.
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Post by chuckrocky on Jan 23, 2021 18:16:09 GMT
We’ll do well to draw this test from here, we need a big day with the bat tomorrow with a couple of players scoring tons. As for India, it’s a certainty that we’ll lose the series, I just hope we give them a couple of good games and don’t roll over for them. I’m not a fan of all this swapping and changing the side to give certain players a rest from ‘the bubble’. Your country should always come first, if you’re not available to play for your country because you need a rest after playing overseas for a franchise then you should lose your central contract with the national side. We are living in unprecedented times so surely you can cut them some slack? Living in a hotel room away from your family for months at a time would get to you I'm guessing?.. I don't think Bairstow has got a central Test contact anymore anyway, could be wrong on that though. I know Wood hasn't for sure. Of course it’s tough, but they’re happy enough to go and do it at the IPL. I get that the IPL is much more lucrative than any other form of cricket but our national side should have its strongest team available for every match. If things are still the same later in the year the players will have to go straight from the T20 World Cup to Australia for the Ashes. Would you be happy going into the first Test at the Gabba with some of our better players being ‘rested’?
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jan 23, 2021 18:26:11 GMT
We are living in unprecedented times so surely you can cut them some slack? Living in a hotel room away from your family for months at a time would get to you I'm guessing?.. I don't think Bairstow has got a central Test contact anymore anyway, could be wrong on that though. I know Wood hasn't for sure. Of course it’s tough, but they’re happy enough to go and do it at the IPL. I get that the IPL is much more lucrative than any other form of cricket but our national side should have its strongest team available for every match. If things are still the same later in the year the players will have to go straight from the T20 World Cup to Australia for the Ashes. Would you be happy going into the first Test at the Gabba with some of our better players being ‘rested’? I can't speak about what's going to happen in 10/11 months time but I highly doubt we'll go into the Ashes anything short of full strength. So to answer your question, of course I wouldn't be happy if Stokes wasn't playing for example but I can't see that happening. Whether you agree with it or not, it appears we're seeing the India tour as low down on the priority list for the year, which I'm surprised at but again, there's an awful lot of Cricket this year. Playing India for 5 tests at home also needs to be remembered because the home tests will inevitably involve bubble life too.
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Post by chuckrocky on Jan 23, 2021 18:33:52 GMT
Of course it’s tough, but they’re happy enough to go and do it at the IPL. I get that the IPL is much more lucrative than any other form of cricket but our national side should have its strongest team available for every match. If things are still the same later in the year the players will have to go straight from the T20 World Cup to Australia for the Ashes. Would you be happy going into the first Test at the Gabba with some of our better players being ‘rested’? I can't speak about what's going to happen in 10/11 months time but I highly doubt we'll go into the Ashes anything short of full strength. So to answer your question, of course I wouldn't be happy if Stokes wasn't playing for example but I can't see that happening. Whether you agree with it or not, it appears we're seeing the India tour as low down on the priority list for the year, which I'm surprised at but again, there's an awful lot of Cricket this year. Playing India for 5 tests at home also needs to be remembered because the home tests will inevitably involve bubble life too. Is bubble life in India going to be much different than a normal tour there? As I understand it the players are pretty much confined to the hotel there anyway. As for the home series, there will more than likely be some kind of bubble although I doubt it will be as strict as it was last Summer. There’s not a chance India will be resting any of their players for that series though.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jan 23, 2021 18:40:03 GMT
I can't speak about what's going to happen in 10/11 months time but I highly doubt we'll go into the Ashes anything short of full strength. So to answer your question, of course I wouldn't be happy if Stokes wasn't playing for example but I can't see that happening. Whether you agree with it or not, it appears we're seeing the India tour as low down on the priority list for the year, which I'm surprised at but again, there's an awful lot of Cricket this year. Playing India for 5 tests at home also needs to be remembered because the home tests will inevitably involve bubble life too. Is bubble life in India going to be much different than a normal tour there? As I understand it the players are pretty much confined to the hotel there anyway. As for the home series, there will more than likely be some kind of bubble although I doubt it will be as strict as it was last Summer. There’s not a chance India will be resting any of their players for that series though. Probably not but do we know for sure? I just think it's a bit rough sticking the boot in too much when we don't know the ins and outs of the situations regarding the players. India are in a slightly different position to us as they have a host of injuries so players like Jadeja and Shami for example will come to England but on the back of missing matches before it.
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Post by chuckrocky on Jan 23, 2021 18:49:05 GMT
Is bubble life in India going to be much different than a normal tour there? As I understand it the players are pretty much confined to the hotel there anyway. As for the home series, there will more than likely be some kind of bubble although I doubt it will be as strict as it was last Summer. There’s not a chance India will be resting any of their players for that series though. Probably not but do we know for sure? I just think it's a bit rough sticking the boot in too much when we don't know the ins and outs of the situations regarding the players. India are in a slightly different position to us as they have a host of injuries so players like Jadeja and Shami for example will come to England but on the back of missing matches before it. I just don’t like players missing games for England because they ‘need a break’ but are more than happy to go and play at the IPL twice in six months. Test cricket is the most elite level of cricket in the world, it should be prioritised over every other format.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jan 23, 2021 18:52:04 GMT
Probably not but do we know for sure? I just think it's a bit rough sticking the boot in too much when we don't know the ins and outs of the situations regarding the players. India are in a slightly different position to us as they have a host of injuries so players like Jadeja and Shami for example will come to England but on the back of missing matches before it. I just don’t like players missing games for England because they ‘need a break’ but are more than happy to go and play at the IPL twice in six months. Test cricket is the most elite level of cricket in the world, it should be prioritised over every other format. I heard today players are probably going to be encouraged to play in this year's IPL as it acts as a warm up to the world 20/20 tournament.. I'm sure that's not going to go down well with you
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Post by chuckrocky on Jan 23, 2021 19:00:15 GMT
I just don’t like players missing games for England because they ‘need a break’ but are more than happy to go and play at the IPL twice in six months. Test cricket is the most elite level of cricket in the world, it should be prioritised over every other format. I heard today players are probably going to be encouraged to play in this year's IPL as it acts as a warm up to the world 20/20 tournament.. I'm sure that's not going to go down well with you I don’t mind them going to the IPL, I’m all for it as it’s done wonders for our white ball cricket. It’s when key players start missing test matches because of it I get annoyed. Playing for England should be pinnacle of any English cricketer, and playing for England should take priority over everything else. And it would be if the players in question weren’t on million dollar contracts in the IPL.
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Post by partickpotter on Jan 23, 2021 19:08:56 GMT
I listened to rather than watched the last part of today’s cricket on an extended constitutional around Glasgow - seeing as I’m not allowed out onto my beloved hills!
And what a joy it was to listen to TMS.
In particular, Alistair Cook is a superb member of the team. Maybe the best of the ex-players for his insight and gentle, self deprecating humour.
Two examples from today
First insight... he first explained why Bairstow was taking guard on or just outside off stump to the off spinner (effectively taking lbw out of the equation) and then why Bairstow consequently needed to adjust his batting to play straighter to mid off rather than to mid wicket as he was doing (basically you are playing with a fuller face of the bat). That may be obvious to some of you, but I found that helpful.
Second humour... while praising Root he mentioned how dispiriting he found it batting with him when he’d have struggled, as opener, to get to 30 or so he’d find Root had joined him as a partner only for Root in no time at all to overtake him with seemingly no effort.
Nice that TMS is in good hands.
Only shame is you can no longer turn the telly volume down and listen to the radio commentary as the two broadcasts are so out of sync.
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Post by partickpotter on Jan 23, 2021 19:10:58 GMT
Root is in fantastic nick He’s looking again like he deserves a place in that Fab 4 elite batting group (Kohli, Williamson, Smith). Let’s hope he converts to another daddy hundred. Today he has been absolutely superb.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jan 23, 2021 19:53:55 GMT
I listened to rather than watched the last part of today’s cricket on an extended constitutional around Glasgow - seeing as I’m not allowed out onto my beloved hills! And what a joy it was to listen to TMS. In particular, Alistair Cook is a superb member of the team. Maybe the best of the ex-players for his insight and gentle, self deprecating humour. Two examples from today First insight... he first explained why Bairstow was taking guard on or just outside off stump to the off spinner (effectively taking lbw out of the equation) and then why Bairstow consequently needed to adjust his batting to play straighter to mid off rather than to mid wicket as he was doing (basically you are playing with a fuller face of the bat). That may be obvious to some of you, but I found that helpful. Second humour... while praising Root he mentioned how dispiriting he found it batting with him when he’d have struggled, as opener, to get to 30 or so he’d find Root had joined him as a partner only for Root in no time at all to overtake him with seemingly no effort. Nice that TMS is in good hands. Only shame is you can no longer turn the telly volume down and listen to the radio commentary as the two broadcasts are so out of sync. Sir Alistair Cook is great on TMS. Sky Sports commentary is shite. Atherton is OK but Ian Ward, Rob Key and Kumar Sangakarra are mind numbingly boring. Jury’s still out on Hussain and Lloyd after all these years. Hussain is a bit condescending and Lloyd can be annoying. OK I’ll admit it, I’m having a bad day😉
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Post by partickpotter on Jan 23, 2021 20:03:31 GMT
I listened to rather than watched the last part of today’s cricket on an extended constitutional around Glasgow - seeing as I’m not allowed out onto my beloved hills! And what a joy it was to listen to TMS. In particular, Alistair Cook is a superb member of the team. Maybe the best of the ex-players for his insight and gentle, self deprecating humour. Two examples from today First insight... he first explained why Bairstow was taking guard on or just outside off stump to the off spinner (effectively taking lbw out of the equation) and then why Bairstow consequently needed to adjust his batting to play straighter to mid off rather than to mid wicket as he was doing (basically you are playing with a fuller face of the bat). That may be obvious to some of you, but I found that helpful. Second humour... while praising Root he mentioned how dispiriting he found it batting with him when he’d have struggled, as opener, to get to 30 or so he’d find Root had joined him as a partner only for Root in no time at all to overtake him with seemingly no effort. Nice that TMS is in good hands. Only shame is you can no longer turn the telly volume down and listen to the radio commentary as the two broadcasts are so out of sync. Sir Alistair Cook is great on TMS. Sky Sports commentary is shite. Atherton is OK but Ian Ward, Rob Key and Kumar Sangakarra are mind numbingly boring. Jury’s still out on Hussain and Lloyd after all these years. Hussain is a bit condescending and Lloyd can be annoying. OK I’ll admit it, I’m having a bad day😉 I quite like Nasser. Rob Key is ok. Kumar is dull as ditchwater. Cookie is the man though!
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jan 23, 2021 20:06:43 GMT
Sir Alistair Cook is great on TMS. Sky Sports commentary is shite. Atherton is OK but Ian Ward, Rob Key and Kumar Sangakarra are mind numbingly boring. Jury’s still out on Hussain and Lloyd after all these years. Hussain is a bit condescending and Lloyd can be annoying. OK I’ll admit it, I’m having a bad day😉 I quite like Nasser. Rob Key is ok. Kumar is dull as ditchwater. Cookie is the man though! Yearning for the days of Gower, Benaud, Boycott and Willis. He was good as well when we played Pakistan in the summer, their opening test batsman Shan Masood!
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Post by partickpotter on Jan 24, 2021 7:20:47 GMT
T2D3S2 underway.
England under pressure... 4 wickets down and only just past the follow on target.
Looking increasingly likely we will be batting to save the test on day 5 on a wearing track. That will be interesting.
The only way to avoid that we need to score lots more runs in this innings.
Edit... another ton for Rooooooooooot. We need another one Joe, and then some.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jan 24, 2021 8:29:40 GMT
Slightly unfortunate and bizarre dismissal of Buttler but Sri Lanka’s score suddenly looks a long way away again. Certainly got be Sam Curran’s last chance as a number seven though, needs a disciplined proper test match knock.....
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Post by partickpotter on Jan 24, 2021 8:29:42 GMT
Fuck...
Buttler out caught reverse sweeping after the ball came up off his boot.
He got away with one like that earlier so second time unlucky.
The Sky commentator said it was unlucky, I’m not so sure. I know it’s a standard shot these days, but it still seems to me to be a shot with a higher degree of risk than other scoring shots.
That wicket opens up a door into our long tail.
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Post by Cns on Jan 24, 2021 8:38:03 GMT
Curran is due a half decent knock surely. Still only 22, seems to have been around a while.
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Post by partickpotter on Jan 24, 2021 8:47:13 GMT
Curran is due a half decent knock surely. Still only 22, seems to have been around a while. Sort of. The thing is, he’s never had a decent knock in his career to date - defining a decent knock as a three figure score. Half decent is probably about right then! He’s a useful #8, so at #7 he’s a place too high as a batsman.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jan 24, 2021 8:55:08 GMT
Our tail is loooooooong in this match.
On a side note, am I the only one who gets annoyed by Sam Curran scratching the pitch with his boot after every ball?!... just irks me for some reason.
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