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Post by GrahamHyde on Nov 21, 2020 20:31:46 GMT
8 of our 12 games have been against sides in the top half at the moment. That'll be 9 in 13 on Tuesday and given we are also one of them, there'll be a lot of games coming up against the sides down the bottom end.
Reason to be optimistic.
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Post by tronaldump on Nov 21, 2020 20:38:22 GMT
Reasons to be optimistic are there to see. What makes little difference this year though is where the team are in the league who we are up against. Thats the beauty of the championship, anyone can win or lose to anyone. No game is a gimmee, Wycome starting to gather points is proof of that.
The more though we continue to gather points then the more we can relax and dream....
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Post by markby on Nov 23, 2020 23:33:07 GMT
After 11 games; MON 2020/21 - D L W D W D W L W L W - 18 pts TP 2007/08. - W W L D D D W D D W L - 17 pts AD 1978/79 - W W W D W W D D L W D - 22 pts AW 1962/63. - L D L D D D W W W D W - 17 pts Still behind Durban but ahead of TP and Waddo This didn’t display properly yesterday and so I’m reposting it. We are still on track for promotion. For those who can’t remember, Durban finished third whereas Waddo and TP finished in the top two (Waddo won the league). Interesting comparison.
Is it possible to provide any info on the state of the team/club when those other managers took over, compared with when Michael took charge?
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Post by march4 on Nov 23, 2020 23:38:50 GMT
After 11 games; MON 2020/21 - D L W D W D W L W L W - 18 pts TP 2007/08. - W W L D D D W D D W L - 17 pts AD 1978/79 - W W W D W W D D L W D - 22 pts AW 1962/63. - L D L D D D W W W D W - 17 pts Still behind Durban but ahead of TP and Waddo This didn’t display properly yesterday and so I’m reposting it. We are still on track for promotion. For those who can’t remember, Durban finished third whereas Waddo and TP finished in the top two (Waddo won the league). Interesting comparison. Is it possible to provide any info on the state of the team/club when those other managers took over, compared with when Michael took charge?
AW took over a club that was stagnating badly. TP took over a club in real trouble and looking destined for relegation. AD took over a club that looked leaderless and was rapidly slipping down the league. All did amazing jobs as is MON.
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Post by kustokie on Nov 24, 2020 2:28:29 GMT
Interesting comparison. Is it possible to provide any info on the state of the team/club when those other managers took over, compared with when Michael took charge?
AW took over a club that was stagnating badly. TP took over a club in real trouble and looking destined for relegation. AD took over a club that looked leaderless and was rapidly slipping down the league. All did amazing jobs as is MON. Personally, I believe MON is the best manager since Tony Pulis and has the potential to be the most successful manager since Tony Waddington. He has sorted out a total shambles left by Hughes, Rowett and Jones. In very short order, he has slimmed down the squad, out-placed the malcontents, organized the team, simplified the system, and made some very shrewd acquisitions with a very limited budget, while still finding time to bring on the younger players. He handles himself in a very professional manner, he clearly knows what he’s doing and is able to communicate his plan to the players. Where we are now was unimaginable 12 months ago. We are looking up the table to see where we’ll stand when we win, rather than looking down to see where we’ll be when we lose - when was the last time we could say that? The biggest challenge will be fending off offers for MON when big clubs come knocking.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Nov 24, 2020 6:46:24 GMT
AW took over a club that was stagnating badly. TP took over a club in real trouble and looking destined for relegation. AD took over a club that looked leaderless and was rapidly slipping down the league. All did amazing jobs as is MON. Personally, I believe MON is the best manager since Tony Pulis and has the potential to be the most successful manager since Tony Waddington. He has sorted out a total shambles left by Hughes, Rowett and Jones. In very short order, he has slimmed down the squad, out-placed the malcontents, organized the team, simplified the system, and made some very shrewd acquisitions with a very limited budget, while still finding time to bring on the younger players. He handles himself in a very professional manner, he clearly knows what he’s doing and is able to communicate his plan to the players. Where we are now was unimaginable 12 months ago. We are looking up the table to see where we’ll stand when we win, rather than looking down to see where we’ll be when we lose - when was the last time we could say that? The biggest challenge will be fending off offers for MON when big clubs come knocking. The so called BIG clubs all have a penchant for sexy foreign managers. Its more likely the West Hams, Leicesters, Wolves of the Premier League that would be interested. On that basis he likes the long-term stability offered by the Coates family and we have similar spending power IF we get back to the Prem. I dont see MON being poached for a couple of seasons even if we dont get promoted this year.
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Post by kustokie on Nov 24, 2020 12:46:53 GMT
Not necessarily. Fergie was one of the greatest managers ever and they still haven’t replaced him.
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Post by Veritas on Nov 24, 2020 12:48:39 GMT
Not necessarily. Fergie was one of the greatest managers ever and they still haven’t replaced him. Yes there is a great sense of the post Busby history being repeated.
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Post by markby on Nov 24, 2020 13:27:14 GMT
The so called BIG clubs all have a penchant for sexy foreign managers. Its more likely the West Hams, Leicesters, Wolves of the Premier League that would be interested. On that basis he likes the long-term stability offered by the Coates family and we have similar spending power IF we get back to the Prem. I dont see MON being poached for a couple of seasons even if we dont get promoted this year. Agree with all of that. Speaking as an outsider, I'd say that while Stoke fans appreciate what he can do, many other people still regard Michael as "that bloke who used to manage Ireland. Or am I thinking about Martin O'Neill?". And even if people inside the game know better who he is, he's still just one of a number of "promising" managers outside the Prem, which is what they would have said eg about Nathan Jones a couple of years ago.
As regards your suggested suitors, I suspect Leicester see themselves as a (potential) BIG club, so would be looking for the next Ranieri, or another Rodgers, who had at least managed another BIG club previously. Wolves are effectively a continental club already(!), who would want a Head Coach, preferably Portugese, rather than a Manager like Michael, who would want more of a say in running things beyond the First XI. And I seriously doubt he would want to work for WHU while the present scum are in charge.
Tbh, I think you're safe enough with him for the foreseeable, since I really can't see too many Prem clubs (2 or 3 max?) who would currently pass his Interview.
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Post by kustokie on Nov 24, 2020 16:41:04 GMT
Not necessarily. Fergie was one of the greatest managers ever and they still haven’t replaced him. Yes there is a great sense of the post Busby history being repeated. The same can be said of Liverpool and Arsenal. Liverpool had four great managers between 1959 and 1991: Shankley, Paisley, Fagan and Dalgleish. After that they had a revolving door of managers and even had to bring back Dalgleish to stop the rot. Arsenal still haven’t found a replacement for Wenger, which doesn’t bother me in the least.
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