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Post by mrcoke on Nov 7, 2020 23:17:24 GMT
11 games in, 18 points 8th place Satisfactory - need to improve GD
15 goals scored - joint 4th highest scorers in the division Very satisfactory
12 goals conceded - joint 9th worst Unsatisfactory, must do better
3 losses - all to top 6 teams Satisfactory
5 home, and 6 away games, 7 against top half teams - toughest programme of all teams in the division. Only Coventry have also played 7 top half teams. Very satisfactory
4 points behind division leaders Reading, who have also lost 3 matches and played 7 of their 11 matches against teams in the bottom half of the division. Very satisfactory
Style of play - generally very conservative, almost negative, but signs of becoming less negative and flexible. Results would indicate satisfactory, though unpopular.
Team selection - prepared to give everyone a chance, dispensed with those who have consistently failed, provided plenty of opportunities for young players Very satisfactory
Potential - with lots of talent in reserve, pending recovery from injury, and promise of young players improving, the outlook is promising. Very satisfactory
Conclusion:
Since arriving at Stoke a year ago, MO'N's team performance has bordered on play-off place level. So far this season, the team performance indicates there is every chance of a play-off place being achieved. If an improved performance of a quarter of a point per game can be delivered, given the apparent lack of any outstanding teams in the Championship so far this season, there is a strong chance of an automatic promotion place being achieved.
Happy anniversary Michael O'Neill
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Post by walrus on Nov 7, 2020 23:45:06 GMT
We’ve had nine clean sheets in fifteen matches. Bit harsh to call the goals against unsatisfactory. Otherwise pretty on the money.
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Post by mrcoke on Nov 8, 2020 9:32:02 GMT
We’ve had nine clean sheets in fifteen matches. Bit harsh to call the goals against unsatisfactory. Otherwise pretty on the money. Thanks for your response. I was primarily reviewing league performance, so you are quite right, our overall performance is good at defending if you include the ELC matches, where we have progressed well by stopping other sides scoring. I concluded "unsatisfactory" for goals conceded in that most teams have conceded fewer than us so far this season and we will need to improve if a play off place is to be assured. I'm sure that if MO'N can settle into a regular back 4 (like the Waddington wall) we will be alright defending.
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Post by lordb on Nov 8, 2020 9:36:45 GMT
Would add: bringing youngsters into the team successfully too.
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Post by Gods on Nov 8, 2020 9:47:31 GMT
I'd say we are competitive but not a stand out side.
There is a little point in making new signings in January unless they are better than what we have today and I struggle to see how we can do that with our likely budget.
If we're going to make the play-offs or dare I say it even better, I think it will broadly be with the squad we have today and it will be done with good organisation, a collective determination, and a an occasional slice of good fortune.
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Post by 19notbeaten72 on Nov 8, 2020 9:53:47 GMT
When you think that Allen may be back in contention in the new year & the younger players growing in confidence things do not look to bad overall. We do need to cut out silly lapses in concentration like Watford the other night were a point would have been well deserved. But satisfied with the progress & can see better times ahead.
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Post by scfcno1fan on Nov 8, 2020 10:24:38 GMT
Just looking at our results, we’ve not yet won 2 in a row so far this season.
DLWDWDWLWLW
Shows we’re good at bouncing back from disappointment but also would be good to shift up a gear in terms of consistency, as that will really shoot us up the table.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Nov 8, 2020 10:42:29 GMT
Just looking at our results, we’ve not yet won 2 in a row so far this season. DLWDWDWLWLW Shows we’re good at bouncing back from disappointment but also would be good to shift up a gear in terms of consistency, as that will really shoot us up the table. If we can go on a little 3 consecutive wins run in the near future, we'll be top of the league. Extend it to 6 wins out of 7 or similar and we lay the platform for promotion. We'll be in and out for a little while longer I suspect with games coming thick and fast.
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Post by chuckrocky on Nov 8, 2020 10:52:31 GMT
We’re exactly where I predicted us to finish at the start of the season. The three relegated clubs all look very strong and I would expect two of them to occupy the top two positions come the end of the season and the other to finish in the play offs.
After that the league is wide open and there’s probably a dozen or more clubs all eying up a place in the play offs, us included.
I worry about our options without Fletcher and Campbell in attack. We saw how abysmal we were at Swansea without them and at some point in the season we’re likely to lose them through injury.
If we can keep those two in particular fit and firing than we’ll have as good a chance as anyone at reaching the play offs.
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Post by chiswickpotter on Nov 8, 2020 10:53:10 GMT
Dont forget two games decisively impacted by referees costing us between 1 and 5 points. And all achieved while being hit relatively hard my injuries I am guessing -Shawcross, Allen and now Clucas would improve any team in the division. Fletcher and Mikel getting up to speed and Powell still seems to be carrying a niggle. This campaign really will be a marathon and I doubt any team has a deeper squad than us, 27 first teamers.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 8, 2020 11:04:32 GMT
Could do better.
You can’t argue with the results.
The performances just haven’t been there.
We can genuinely challenge for the title imo if go for it.
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Post by ChesterStokie on Nov 8, 2020 11:07:07 GMT
Just looking at our results, we’ve not yet won 2 in a row so far this season. DLWDWDWLWLW Shows we’re good at bouncing back from disappointment but also would be good to shift up a gear in terms of consistency, as that will really shoot us up the table. Or you could argue that by winning every other game, and by not have little runs where we have won a few and them lost a few, we’ve actually been very consistent!
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Post by silsdenstokie on Nov 8, 2020 11:09:15 GMT
Satisfactory
His use of Campbell, Souttar and Collins being a massive plus
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2020 11:13:25 GMT
The league is absolutely wank. Probably going to be won by Watford. However we showed midweek that we have nothing at all to fear if we let go of the shackles and go for it. But will MON allow it
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 8, 2020 11:18:37 GMT
Just looking at our results, we’ve not yet won 2 in a row so far this season. DLWDWDWLWLW Shows we’re good at bouncing back from disappointment but also would be good to shift up a gear in terms of consistency, as that will really shoot us up the table. Or you could argue that by winning every other game, and by not have little runs where we have won a few and them lost a few, we’ve actually been very consistent! Consistently inconsistent will get us to the play offs😀
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Nov 8, 2020 11:29:26 GMT
We also need Davies back in goal.
The biggest negative for me has been midfield (with out without Clucas is has been terrible all season).
We cant retain possession, and we only seem to be able to play on the break or with long balls down the wing for Campbell to chase onto.
Mikel needs a partner in midfield to control the ball. Clucas is injured but he started the season terrible. Thompson just looks non-existent. Allen still a long way from coming back. TOB, Cousins and Tymon have also played there but without much effect. Powell likes to play further forward.
But overall we are definitely in the mix and (Swansea apart) there is definite improvement in performance as players start to understand their roles. Campbell, Fletcher, Powell will score 30 goals between them this season.
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Post by somersetstokie on Nov 8, 2020 12:16:00 GMT
If we accept that we have not as yet found any actual form, our general approach has been encouraging, and if we have not been convincing we are still accumulating points and inching our way up the table. My concern is perhaps that chasing a leader or leaders is often easier than leading from the front and we could have problems if we "arrive" and stay in the top six and are recognized for that fact. As a team we are not particularly resilient and cannot always hold on to a lead. If we want to be consistently amongst the promotion chasers we will need to develop a lot more character and determination to stay there. Once near the top you are there as a target to be shot at, and at the moment I don't think as a team we are ready to face that sort of pressure.
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Post by mrcoke on Nov 8, 2020 13:30:39 GMT
Would add: bringing youngsters into the team successfully too. I fully agree and did mention it under team selection. It is a joy to me to see young players in the side and upsets me when posters get their knives out when they have a poor game. I am old enough to remember young players like Sean Hastlegrave and Alan Dodd playing their first games in the Central League in the late 60s, and Dennis Smith playing his first 1st team game at the Victoria Ground. Those players had to wait a long time to get into the 1st team. Souttar has come into the side, played consistently well, and seems to have established himself. But this is unusual. It is more usual for young players to be used intermittently and gradually established. It is important that a manager has patience with young players, which is very difficult when your job is always "on the line", or, as in recent seasons, in a relegation battle.
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Post by march4 on Nov 8, 2020 13:48:44 GMT
After 11 games;
MON 2020/21 - D L W D W D W L W L W - 18 pts TP 2007/08. - W W L D D D W D D W L - 17 pts AD 1978/79 - W W W D W W D D L W D - 22 pts AW 1962/63. - L D L D D D W W W D W - 17 pts
Still behind Durban but ahead of TP and Waddo
This didn’t display properly yesterday and so I’m reposting it. We are still on track for promotion. For those who can’t remember, Durban finished third whereas Waddo and TP finished in the top two (Waddo won the league).
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Post by skip on Nov 8, 2020 14:38:27 GMT
11 games in, 18 points 8th place Satisfactory - need to improve GD15 goals scored - joint 4th highest scorers in the division Very satisfactory12 goals conceded - joint 9th worst Unsatisfactory, must do better3 losses - all to top 6 teams Satisfactory5 home, and 6 away games, 7 against top half teams - toughest programme of all teams in the division. Only Coventry have also played 7 top half teams. Very satisfactory4 points behind division leaders Reading, who have also lost 3 matches and played 7 of their 11 matches against teams in the bottom half of the division. Very satisfactoryStyle of play - generally very conservative, almost negative, but signs of becoming less negative and flexible. Results would indicate satisfactory, though unpopular.Team selection - prepared to give everyone a chance, dispensed with those who have consistently failed, provided plenty of opportunities for young players Very satisfactoryPotential - with lots of talent in reserve, pending recovery from injury, and promise of young players improving, the outlook is promising. Very satisfactory
Conclusion:Since arriving at Stoke a year ago, MO'N's team performance has bordered on play-off place level. So far this season, the team performance indicates there is every chance of a play-off place being achieved. If an improved performance of a quarter of a point per game can be delivered, given the apparent lack of any outstanding teams in the Championship so far this season, there is a strong chance of an automatic promotion place being achieved.
Happy anniversary Michael O'NeillI wouldn't dispute any of that, but if you include distance travelled as a metric, it's nothing short of miraculous.
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Post by cheadlepotter on Nov 8, 2020 14:41:34 GMT
After 11 games; MON 2020/21 - D L W D W D W L W L W - 18 pts TP 2007/08. - W W L D D D W D D W L - 17 pts AD 1978/79 - W W W D W W D D L W D - 22 pts AW 1962/63. - L D L D D D W W W D W - 17 pts Still behind Durban but ahead of TP and Waddo This didn’t display properly yesterday and so I’m reposting it. We are still on track for promotion. For those who can’t remember, Durban finished third whereas Waddo and TP finished in the top two (Waddo won the league). I wouldn’t get too excited yet as there’s 7 teams with a better record so far! Also... BL 1998/99 - W W W W W W L W W L L - 27 pts And we all know how that turned out.
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Post by pmjh on Nov 8, 2020 14:50:17 GMT
After 11 games; MON 2020/21 - D L W D W D W L W L W - 18 pts TP 2007/08. - W W L D D D W D D W L - 17 pts AD 1978/79 - W W W D W W D D L W D - 22 pts AW 1962/63. - L D L D D D W W W D W - 17 pts Still behind Durban but ahead of TP and Waddo This didn’t display properly yesterday and so I’m reposting it. We are still on track for promotion. For those who can’t remember, Durban finished third whereas Waddo and TP finished in the top two (Waddo won the league). I wouldn’t get too excited yet as there’s 7 teams with a better record so far! Also... BL 1998/99 - W W W W W W L W W L L - 27 pts And we all know how that turned out. And you seriously think MON is not a much better manager than Brian Little.
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Post by mickstupp on Nov 8, 2020 14:51:54 GMT
After 11 games; MON 2020/21 - D L W D W D W L W L W - 18 pts TP 2007/08. - W W L D D D W D D W L - 17 pts AD 1978/79 - W W W D W W D D L W D - 22 pts AW 1962/63. - L D L D D D W W W D W - 17 pts Still behind Durban but ahead of TP and Waddo This didn’t display properly yesterday and so I’m reposting it. We are still on track for promotion. For those who can’t remember, Durban finished third whereas Waddo and TP finished in the top two (Waddo won the league). Interesting comparison. Two points for a win in the days of Durban and Waddo led to lots of draws. TP’s team really hit the burners in December in the 07/08 promotion season. Let’s see how it looks after the next 11 games.
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Post by cheadlepotter on Nov 8, 2020 14:53:30 GMT
I wouldn’t get too excited yet as there’s 7 teams with a better record so far! Also... BL 1998/99 - W W W W W W L W W L L - 27 pts And we all know how that turned out. And you seriously think MON is not a much better manager than Brian Little. Of course I do. I was just showing that 11 game records can be quite misleading. That said I’ll be disappointed if we’re not in or around the playoffs come the end of the season.
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Post by stokebloke on Nov 8, 2020 16:39:38 GMT
Happy anniversary indeed He saved us last season. Now let's give time to build his team
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Post by kingdong on Nov 8, 2020 21:39:54 GMT
After 11 games; MON 2020/21 - D L W D W D W L W L W - 18 pts TP 2007/08. - W W L D D D W D D W L - 17 pts AD 1978/79 - W W W D W W D D L W D - 22 pts AW 1962/63. - L D L D D D W W W D W - 17 pts Still behind Durban but ahead of TP and Waddo This didn’t display properly yesterday and so I’m reposting it. We are still on track for promotion. For those who can’t remember, Durban finished third whereas Waddo and TP finished in the top two (Waddo won the league). CB 1997/98 - L D W L D W W L W W D - 18 pts
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Post by ab61 on Nov 8, 2020 22:19:10 GMT
After 11 games; MON 2020/21 - D L W D W D W L W L W - 18 pts TP 2007/08. - W W L D D D W D D W L - 17 pts AD 1978/79 - W W W D W W D D L W D - 22 pts AW 1962/63. - L D L D D D W W W D W - 17 pts Still behind Durban but ahead of TP and Waddo This didn’t display properly yesterday and so I’m reposting it. We are still on track for promotion. For those who can’t remember, Durban finished third whereas Waddo and TP finished in the top two (Waddo won the league). CB 1997/98 - L D W L D W W L W W D - 18 pts 😂😂 Spoil sport. May as well close this thread now 😂😂
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Post by mrcoke on Nov 21, 2020 19:41:19 GMT
11 games in, 18 points 8th place Satisfactory - need to improve GD15 goals scored - joint 4th highest scorers in the division Very satisfactory12 goals conceded - joint 9th worst Unsatisfactory, must do better3 losses - all to top 6 teams Satisfactory5 home, and 6 away games, 7 against top half teams - toughest programme of all teams in the division. Only Coventry have also played 7 top half teams. Very satisfactory4 points behind division leaders Reading, who have also lost 3 matches and played 7 of their 11 matches against teams in the bottom half of the division. Very satisfactoryStyle of play - generally very conservative, almost negative, but signs of becoming less negative and flexible. Results would indicate satisfactory, though unpopular.Team selection - prepared to give everyone a chance, dispensed with those who have consistently failed, provided plenty of opportunities for young players Very satisfactoryPotential - with lots of talent in reserve, pending recovery from injury, and promise of young players improving, the outlook is promising. Very satisfactory
Conclusion:Since arriving at Stoke a year ago, MO'N's team performance has bordered on play-off place level. So far this season, the team performance indicates there is every chance of a play-off place being achieved. If an improved performance of a quarter of a point per game can be delivered, given the apparent lack of any outstanding teams in the Championship so far this season, there is a strong chance of an automatic promotion place being achieved.
Happy anniversary Michael O'NeillI think today's result and performance fully vindicates much of the above. If we can improve our defending we can go close to promotion.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2020 19:45:17 GMT
Same form and results over the rest of the season puts us on 80 points. I'd be more than happy with that.
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Post by ColonelMustard on Nov 21, 2020 19:49:38 GMT
Great mix of youth and experience. Team capable of flexibility in formation. Everyone seems to be singing from the managers hymn sheet. 3 points off top and playing the leaders on Tuesday. Quarter Finals of the Cup against the Premier League leaders next month.
All bar the shit players on long contracts and short term keeper situation its fucking dreamland to where we were.
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