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Post by felonious on Nov 3, 2020 19:45:16 GMT
Interesting. I watched the programme on that interview a few weeks back. A load of back slapping but not a mention of the dubious methods that helped to produce the interview. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54793572
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Post by salopstick on Nov 3, 2020 19:46:38 GMT
The bbc. A true beacon of trust and honesty
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Post by felonious on Nov 9, 2020 18:38:25 GMT
Princess Diana interview: 'Dark cloud over BBC journalism' says Lord Grade www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54872352Lord Grade said Bashir's medical condition "is a secondary issue" that is "important for him and his family, obviously". But he stressed that the public deserved a timeline of "who knew what when", ahead of the famous interview. "Now there may well be very good answers and the BBC may well come out of this absolutely clean, but there are so many questions being raised. "There's only one way to clear this up and that is with an independent inquiry to be published."
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Post by felonious on May 20, 2021 15:10:43 GMT
The BBC "fell short of its high standards of integrity and transparency" over Martin Bashir's 1995 interview with Princess Diana, an inquiry has found. Mr Bashir acted in a "deceitful" way and faked documents to obtain the interview, the inquiry found. And the BBC's own internal probe into what happened in 1996 was "woefully ineffective", it added. The BBC and Mr Bashir have both apologised. The BBC said the report showed "clear failings", admitting it should have made more effort to get to the bottom of what happened at the time. Mr Bashir said mocking up the documents "was a stupid thing to do" and he regretted it, but said they had no bearing on Diana's decision to be interviewed. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57189371Pretty shameful stuff up there with the Sun's standards.
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Post by desman2 on May 20, 2021 22:37:58 GMT
This guy makes clear what he thinks
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Post by metalhead on May 20, 2021 22:56:34 GMT
This guy makes clear what he thinks The Bellend is back. Listen, I hate the BBC as much as the next person but.... Nah.
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Post by felonious on May 21, 2021 5:12:34 GMT
The Duke of Cambridge has blamed BBC failings over its interview with his mother for fuelling her paranoia and worsening his parents' relationship. After an inquiry found the BBC fell below its standards, Prince William said he was "most saddened" Diana never learned she had been deceived. He said his mother was failed "not just by a rogue reporter" but also by BBC bosses. The Duke of Sussex blamed a toxic media culture for his mother's death. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57195046It would be interesting to know what "standards" it fell short of? Journalistic standards? First class cover up standards? Rewarding a known liar with a job back at the BBC as head of religious affairs? This matter is amplified so many times over by the fact that we're talking about the national broadcaster and not the Sun.
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Post by chuffedstokie on May 21, 2021 5:35:48 GMT
Very powerful stuff, it'll be interesting to see how our national broadcaster tries to placate itself from this unholy mess.
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Post by partickpotter on May 21, 2021 5:48:18 GMT
Very powerful stuff, it'll be interesting to see how our national broadcaster tries to placate itself from this unholy mess. It will rely on that great healer, time... today’s news is, after all, tomorrow’s fish and chip papers. The new BBC boss will say stuff like “we are very sorry”, that “lessons have been learned”, that “this sort of this sort of thing could not happen now with new procedures now in place” and “sorry again”. And then carry on as before.
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Post by cobhamstokey on May 21, 2021 6:01:03 GMT
This guy makes clear what he thinks The Bellend is back. Listen, I hate the BBC as much as the next person but.... Nah. The guys got issues and is currently trying to sue Notts Police as he’s been raided 3-4 times.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on May 21, 2021 6:09:49 GMT
This guy makes clear what he thinks I thought hysterical, over-the-top bed-wetters were supposed to be lesbians with purple hair?
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Post by partickpotter on May 21, 2021 6:17:37 GMT
This guy makes clear what he thinks I thought hysterical, over-the-top bed-wetters were supposed to be lesbians with purple hair? Have you met Huddy?
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Post by chuffedstokie on May 21, 2021 6:21:07 GMT
Very powerful stuff, it'll be interesting to see how our national broadcaster tries to placate itself from this unholy mess. It will rely on that great healer, time... today’s news is, after all, tomorrow’s fish and chip papers. The new BBC boss will say stuff like “we are very sorry”, that “lessons have been learned”, that “this sort of this sort of thing could not happen now with new procedures now in place” and “sorry again”. And then carry on as before. You're spot on. Generic apology issued, "it was 25 years ago" etc. This guy talking now needs to be heard more broadly.
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Post by metalhead on May 21, 2021 6:34:12 GMT
The Bellend is back. Listen, I hate the BBC as much as the next person but.... Nah. The guys got issues and is currently trying to sue Notts Police as he’s been raided 3-4 times. When you say "the guy's got issues", do you mean him? Or are his issues due to being persecuted by Nottingham Police? All you've told me for the last few months is that police corruption isn't a thing and I'm talking bollocks, among other things. I watched his videos about the BBC and Nottingham Police, primarily because of what you said. Do you not find him a cliche ridden twit? It's genuinely painful watching him blart on and on about himself with grandiose statements like "It's a national disgrace" and "the worst cover-up in Nottingham Police history" etc. Despite watching a good 20+ minutes of this shite, I still couldn't actually make sense of what he was claiming to have happened. Some BBC person posted something, somewhere or to someone, about Alex Bellend and now the police are raiding his house or some shit, rah rah. Feel free to post the video of a nice, clear and concise timeline of what he is accusing them of and I will watch and listen. The reality is though, his videos are all bluster... audible fucking poison. He also continuously refers to Prince William as our 'Future King' as if this somehow elevates him to a kind of superhero status. Just fucking aids-ridden content mate.
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Post by wagsastokie on May 21, 2021 7:04:54 GMT
People still buy the sun People still by the mirror
And people will still watch the bbc
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Post by JoeinOz on May 21, 2021 7:05:08 GMT
Appalling conduct from the BBC. The national broadcaster doing what all media outlets have habitually done for years.
A nation weeps uncontrollably.
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Post by riverman on May 21, 2021 7:19:54 GMT
Regardless of what went on and any underhand tactics by the BBC I don't believe for one minute that Diana was totally blameless and naive. She was a massive attention seeker and manipulator of the press. She knew what she was doing with that interview. Turning the screw and getting her revenge for how she was treated by that family. I'm not saying people shouldn't be held to account but let's not kid ourselves that she was in any way duped,I think she was way to clever for that.
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Post by dexta on May 21, 2021 8:05:46 GMT
Regardless of what went on and any underhand tactics by the BBC I don't believe for one minute that Diana was totally blameless and naive. She was a massive attention seeker and manipulator of the press. She knew what she was doing with that interview. Turning the screw and getting her revenge for how she was treated by that family. I'm not saying people shouldn't be held to account but let's not kid ourselves that she was in any way duped,I think she was way to clever for that. unfortunately she's not here to defend herself
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Post by felonious on May 21, 2021 8:25:48 GMT
Regardless of what went on and any underhand tactics by the BBC I don't believe for one minute that Diana was totally blameless and naive. She was a massive attention seeker and manipulator of the press. She knew what she was doing with that interview. Turning the screw and getting her revenge for how she was treated by that family. I'm not saying people shouldn't be held to account but let's not kid ourselves that she was in any way duped,I think she was way to clever for that. I take a totally different view. For me it's on the scale of phone hacking which made the victim believe that people around them could not be trusted leading to broken down relationships with friends and family. With this case it's almost worse because the a BBC employee has forged bank statements showing honest, trusted employees taking money from overseas accounts to spy and report on their employer. It was upsetting to hear one of those loyal employees talking about the methods used by the BBC. If you think this is just about Diana you're very wrong the ripples were felt far and wide. Then there's the whitewash, cover up, back slapping and re employment of a known offender just to compound the injustice.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on May 21, 2021 8:40:47 GMT
Regardless of what went on and any underhand tactics by the BBC I don't believe for one minute that Diana was totally blameless and naive. She was a massive attention seeker and manipulator of the press. She knew what she was doing with that interview. Turning the screw and getting her revenge for how she was treated by that family. I'm not saying people shouldn't be held to account but let's not kid ourselves that she was in any way duped,I think she was way to clever for that. I take a totally different view. For me it's on the scale of phone hacking which made the victim believe that people around them could not be trusted leading to broken down relationships with friends and family. With this case it's almost worse because the a BBC employee has forged bank statements showing honest, trusted employees taking money from overseas accounts to spy and report on their employer. It was upsetting to hear one of those loyal employees talking about the methods used by the BBC. If you think this is just about Diana you're very wrong the ripples were felt far and wide. Then there's the whitewash, cover up, back slapping and re employment of a known offender just to compound the injustice. I'm hoping for once it does result in some changes. For me 2 basic issues are. The BBC is a publicly funded broadcaster so should be non political as far as absolutely possible....or politically impartial/ fair to all sides.All too often interviewers think their opinion is the opinion of the public and is more important than the interviewee. Some of the documentary type programmes are brilliant, How do " we " decide on what we want our money spent on?
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 21, 2021 8:44:52 GMT
The BBC...propping up the Tories since 2010.
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Post by yeokel on May 21, 2021 8:47:29 GMT
The Duke of Cambridge has blamed BBC failings over its interview with his mother for fuelling her paranoia and worsening his parents' relationship. After an inquiry found the BBC fell below its standards, Prince William said he was "most saddened" Diana never learned she had been deceived. He said his mother was failed "not just by a rogue reporter" but also by BBC bosses. The Duke of Sussex blamed a toxic media culture for his mother's death. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57195046It would be interesting to know what "standards" it fell short of? Journalistic standards? First class cover up standards? Rewarding a known liar with a job back at the BBC as head of religious affairs? This matter is amplified so many times over by the fact that we're talking about the national broadcaster and not the Sun. "Rewarding a known liar with a job back at the BBC as head of religious affairs" It sounds like a perfect fit to me.
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Post by Clayton Wood on May 21, 2021 9:12:12 GMT
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Post by crapslinger on May 21, 2021 9:31:09 GMT
People still buy the sun People still by the mirror And people will still watch the bbc You can't beat Bargain Hunt especially with Christian and Roo
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Post by felonious on May 21, 2021 9:44:05 GMT
Surely faking a bank statement is a criminal offence? Knowing about it and then covering it up surely is another offence?
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Post by yeokel on May 21, 2021 10:10:31 GMT
Surely faking a bank statement is a criminal offence? Knowing about it and then covering it up surely is another offence? I would think that simply faking a bank statement is not a criminal offence. Using it to gain credit or money is probably fraud. Using it to set up a TV interview with someone – it’s probably deception or misrepresentation, but is it a criminal offence? Likewise the BBC – It has aided and abetted a deception, but has it actually broken a law (other than morally)? Perhaps our resident Liberal solicitor might offer an opinion?
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Post by Clayton Wood on May 21, 2021 10:28:03 GMT
Surely faking a bank statement is a criminal offence? Knowing about it and then covering it up surely is another offence? I would think that simply faking a bank statement is not a criminal offence. Using it to gain credit or money is probably fraud. Using it to set up a TV interview with someone – it’s probably deception or misrepresentation, but is it a criminal offence? Likewise the BBC – It has aided and abetted a deception, but has it actually broken a law (other than morally)? Perhaps our resident Liberal solicitor might offer an opinion? Fraud is a crime, fraudulent misrepresentation is a civil wrong. If the crime of fraud has not been committed then the civil wrong of fraudulent misrepresentation can be remedied in the civil courts (if not already done so voluntarily by the parties) by voiding the contract and/or damages* *interesting that William is now sabre rattling the BBC - damages claim maybe?
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Post by salopstick on May 21, 2021 10:29:22 GMT
The BBC...propping up the Tories since 2010. Hilarious but to humour you you they were good guys when they were propping up Labour prior then.
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Post by yeokel on May 21, 2021 10:32:01 GMT
The BBC...propping up the Tories since 2010. Hilarious but to humour you you they were good guys when they were propping up Labour prior then. And, when all this was going on, who was PM?
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Post by yeokel on May 21, 2021 10:36:49 GMT
I would think that simply faking a bank statement is not a criminal offence. Using it to gain credit or money is probably fraud. Using it to set up a TV interview with someone – it’s probably deception or misrepresentation, but is it a criminal offence? Likewise the BBC – It has aided and abetted a deception, but has it actually broken a law (other than morally)? Perhaps our resident Liberal solicitor might offer an opinion? Fraud is a crime, fraudulent misrepresentation is a civil wrong. If the crime of fraud has not been committed then the civil wrong of fraudulent misrepresentation can be remedied in the civil courts (if not already done so voluntarily by the parties) by voiding the contract and/or damages* *interesting that William is now sabre rattling the BBC - damages claim maybe? I suspect that William would not go for damages - I suspect he would be steered away from that course. However, if Bashir was suggesting that certain employees were on the take, and produced forged documentation to support that claim, surely the people accused have a right to sue him for slander, and the BBC for covering it up?
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