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Nov 2, 2020 20:07:07 GMT
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Post by dexta on Nov 2, 2020 20:07:07 GMT
Kicking off in Vienna several exchanges of fire according to sky
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Nov 2, 2020 20:34:33 GMT
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Post by franklin on Nov 2, 2020 20:34:33 GMT
Shooting at a synagogue apparently.
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Nov 2, 2020 20:42:43 GMT
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Nov 2, 2020 20:42:43 GMT
Looking at the videos on Twitter it seems like there will be numerous dead. Plenty of shooting taking place & he seems to be wandering around with an AK47.
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Post by Kpsje on Nov 2, 2020 20:44:56 GMT
the bbc ... largely peaceful murders.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2020 20:52:06 GMT
Another day, another racist head case. What a world we live in.....
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Post by foster on Nov 2, 2020 21:12:08 GMT
Policeman dead according to German news.
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Post by foster on Nov 2, 2020 21:17:53 GMT
May be disturbing for some viewers.
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Post by thevoid on Nov 2, 2020 21:20:37 GMT
Nothing surprises me any more.
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Post by foster on Nov 2, 2020 21:30:09 GMT
7 dead now and others held hostage - according to twitter feeds
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2020 21:40:35 GMT
I can't imagine there will be any happy ending for the people held hostage, when the hostage takers are willing to die. You can't negotiate with that.
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Post by foster on Nov 2, 2020 21:47:14 GMT
I can't imagine there will be any happy ending for the people held hostage, when the hostage takers are willing to die. You can't negotiate with that. Whether they're Islamic terrorists or not is yet to be confirmed. But I suppose in any case, death isn't something they're afraid of. Seems to be a spate of attacks going on at the moment. Not looking good.
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Post by foster on Nov 2, 2020 21:51:43 GMT
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Nov 2, 2020 21:56:44 GMT
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Post by butlerstbob on Nov 2, 2020 21:56:44 GMT
Several shooters in several locations... This sounds bad!
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Nov 2, 2020 22:27:07 GMT
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Post by lordb on Nov 2, 2020 22:27:07 GMT
the bbc ... largely peaceful murders. What are you talking about?
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Nov 2, 2020 23:10:00 GMT
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Post by metalhead on Nov 2, 2020 23:10:00 GMT
the bbc ... largely peaceful murders. What are you talking about? He's taking the piss out of the BBC. They tend to start every article talking about whatever favourite cause their covering today by saying 'largely peaceful'. It's not yet been revealed who the shooters are. I'll keep my cards close to my chest until then. What I will say is, the Guardian are already on the attack against right wing nutters.... Which I find kind of ironic.
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Post by wagsastokie on Nov 3, 2020 8:34:48 GMT
What are you talking about? He's taking the piss out of the BBC. They tend to start every article talking about whatever favourite cause their covering today by saying 'largely peaceful'. It's not yet been revealed who the shooters are. I'll keep my cards close to my chest until then. What I will say is, the Guardian are already on the attack against right wing nutters.... Which I find kind of ironic. The guardian is nothing short of a piece of agenda driven shit rag
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Post by franklin on Nov 3, 2020 8:47:51 GMT
Not sure thats true i saw that vid on Facebook two days ago it was labled anti covid protest Foz. The full video shows people throwing metal barriers and things at cops that is the aftermath when they chase to protesters. fb.watch/1wR1zjn9kK/
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Post by foster on Nov 3, 2020 8:57:22 GMT
Not sure thats true i saw that vid on Facebook two days ago it was labled anti covid protest Foz. The full video shows people throwing metal barriers and things at cops that is the aftermath when they chase to protesters. fb.watch/1wR1zjn9kK/Classic fake news then. Don't get why people would post it as fact, but ok.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Nov 3, 2020 9:05:50 GMT
Not sure thats true i saw that vid on Facebook two days ago it was labled anti covid protest Foz. The full video shows people throwing metal barriers and things at cops that is the aftermath when they chase to protesters. fb.watch/1wR1zjn9kK/Classic fake news then. Don't get why people would post it as fact, but ok. Lots of potential reasons: Being "agenda driven shit rags" Too stupid/lazy to check Too desperate to get on social media to create additional hysteria/likes Sadly, social media is full of this stuff. Best avoided generally.
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Post by thevoid on Nov 3, 2020 9:15:40 GMT
He's taking the piss out of the BBC. They tend to start every article talking about whatever favourite cause their covering today by saying 'largely peaceful'. It's not yet been revealed who the shooters are. I'll keep my cards close to my chest until then. What I will say is, the Guardian are already on the attack against right wing nutters.... Which I find kind of ironic. The guardian is nothing short of a piece of agenda driven shit rag The Independon't is even worse- I remember a rather triumphalist headline earlier this year stating 'more white terrorists arrested than than any other ethnicity' (not the exact wording but that was the gist of it). If you'd actually read the article the stats included white people who'd joined Islamist groups, but what would most people assume just by reading the headline?
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Post by foster on Nov 3, 2020 9:46:15 GMT
The guardian is nothing short of a piece of agenda driven shit rag The Independon't is even worse- I remember a rather triumphalist headline earlier this year stating 'more white terrorists arrested than than any other ethnicity' (not the exact wording but that was the gist of it). If you'd actually read the article the stats included white people who'd joined Islamist groups, but what would most people assume just by reading the headline? Well, your colour doesn't define your choice of religion or beliefs. I would think that it's the converts to radicalisation that society needs to be more wary about. In any case, I hope that Erdogan takes a lot of flack after his recent stirring up of events in France. I also hope that the EU (and UK) take a really strong concerted approach to tackling radicalisation and hate speech. If that means a near total lockout for immigrants until the radicals here have been flushed out and eliminated then so be it. It's an unfortunate stance but something really does need to done to protect those already here. These kind of acts should not be allowed to become the norm. We also need to implement legal measures that allow for more surveillance and aggressive action when related to terrorist activities. No more legal protection for terrorists or hate preachers. Anyone caught not condemning terrorist actions and sympathising with them should be removed from society. Anyone caught sharing or promoting hate materials should be removed from society. Anyone caught threatening national security or going against our way of life should be tried for treason and removed from society. The law needs to be much tougher and security forces need much more power to carry out their jobs in a more appropriate and aggressive manner.
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Post by wagsastokie on Nov 3, 2020 9:53:38 GMT
The Independon't is even worse- I remember a rather triumphalist headline earlier this year stating 'more white terrorists arrested than than any other ethnicity' (not the exact wording but that was the gist of it). If you'd actually read the article the stats included white people who'd joined Islamist groups, but what would most people assume just by reading the headline? Well, your colour doesn't define your choice of religion or beliefs. I would think that it's the converts to radicalisation that society needs to be more wary about. In any case, I hope that Erdogan takes a lot of flack after his recent stirring up of events in France. I also hope that the EU (and UK) take a really strong concerted approach to tackling radicalisation and hate speech. If that means a near total lockout for immigrants until the radicals here have been flushed out and eliminated then so be it. It's an unfortunate stance but something really does need to done to protect those already here. These kind of acts should not be allowed to become the norm. We also need to implement legal measures that allow for more surveillance and aggressive action when related to terrorist activities. No more legal protection for terrorists or hate preachers. Anyone caught not condemning terrorist actions and sympathising with them should be removed from society. Anyone caught sharing or promoting hate materials should be removed from society. Anyone caught threatening national security or going against our way of life should be tried for treason and removed from society. The law needs to be much tougher and security forces need much more power to carry out their jobs in a more appropriate and aggressive manner. There’s only one thing wrong with that Who decides what is classed as hate and what is legitimate discourse And who checks the people who decide
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Post by foster on Nov 3, 2020 10:00:51 GMT
Well, your colour doesn't define your choice of religion or beliefs. I would think that it's the converts to radicalisation that society needs to be more wary about. In any case, I hope that Erdogan takes a lot of flack after his recent stirring up of events in France. I also hope that the EU (and UK) take a really strong concerted approach to tackling radicalisation and hate speech. If that means a near total lockout for immigrants until the radicals here have been flushed out and eliminated then so be it. It's an unfortunate stance but something really does need to done to protect those already here. These kind of acts should not be allowed to become the norm. We also need to implement legal measures that allow for more surveillance and aggressive action when related to terrorist activities. No more legal protection for terrorists or hate preachers. Anyone caught not condemning terrorist actions and sympathising with them should be removed from society. Anyone caught sharing or promoting hate materials should be removed from society. Anyone caught threatening national security or going against our way of life should be tried for treason and removed from society. The law needs to be much tougher and security forces need much more power to carry out their jobs in a more appropriate and aggressive manner. There’s only one thing wrong with that Who decides what is classed as hate and what is legitimate discourse And who checks the people who decide Needs to be extreme to be sure, but most cases would be relatively straight forward I imagine. The details and criteria would of course need to be ironed out. In the end, it's not really as big a problem as innocent people getting their heads cut off whilst walking down the street.
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Nov 3, 2020 11:03:18 GMT
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Post by franklin on Nov 3, 2020 11:03:18 GMT
Not sure thats true i saw that vid on Facebook two days ago it was labled anti covid protest Foz. The full video shows people throwing metal barriers and things at cops that is the aftermath when they chase to protesters. fb.watch/1wR1zjn9kK/Classic fake news then. Don't get why people would post it as fact, but ok. It is mate it just goes to show how easy it is to spread lies and fake "news" as you say.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Nov 3, 2020 11:46:57 GMT
Well, your colour doesn't define your choice of religion or beliefs. I would think that it's the converts to radicalisation that society needs to be more wary about. In any case, I hope that Erdogan takes a lot of flack after his recent stirring up of events in France. I also hope that the EU (and UK) take a really strong concerted approach to tackling radicalisation and hate speech. If that means a near total lockout for immigrants until the radicals here have been flushed out and eliminated then so be it. It's an unfortunate stance but something really does need to done to protect those already here. These kind of acts should not be allowed to become the norm. We also need to implement legal measures that allow for more surveillance and aggressive action when related to terrorist activities. No more legal protection for terrorists or hate preachers. Anyone caught not condemning terrorist actions and sympathising with them should be removed from society. Anyone caught sharing or promoting hate materials should be removed from society. Anyone caught threatening national security or going against our way of life should be tried for treason and removed from society. The law needs to be much tougher and security forces need much more power to carry out their jobs in a more appropriate and aggressive manner. There’s only one thing wrong with that Who decides what is classed as hate and what is legitimate discourse And who checks the people who decide Same as every law, your elected representatives in the first instance, the judiciary subsequently. You vote in/out the lawmakers.
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Post by thevoid on Nov 3, 2020 12:24:42 GMT
The Independon't is even worse- I remember a rather triumphalist headline earlier this year stating 'more white terrorists arrested than than any other ethnicity' (not the exact wording but that was the gist of it). If you'd actually read the article the stats included white people who'd joined Islamist groups, but what would most people assume just by reading the headline? Well, your colour doesn't define your choice of religion or beliefs. I would think that it's the converts to radicalisation that society needs to be more wary about. In any case, I hope that Erdogan takes a lot of flack after his recent stirring up of events in France. I also hope that the EU (and UK) take a really strong concerted approach to tackling radicalisation and hate speech. If that means a near total lockout for immigrants until the radicals here have been flushed out and eliminated then so be it. It's an unfortunate stance but something really does need to done to protect those already here. These kind of acts should not be allowed to become the norm. We also need to implement legal measures that allow for more surveillance and aggressive action when related to terrorist activities. No more legal protection for terrorists or hate preachers. Anyone caught not condemning terrorist actions and sympathising with them should be removed from society. Anyone caught sharing or promoting hate materials should be removed from society. Anyone caught threatening national security or going against our way of life should be tried for treason and removed from society. The law needs to be much tougher and security forces need much more power to carry out their jobs in a more appropriate and aggressive manner. Unfortunately I think that these kind of acts are the norm now- is anyone surprised when incidents such as this happen anymore? Can anyone shed any light on the motivation for this attack- does Austria have any form of foreign policy in the Middle East? I agree with what you said re: Erdogan fueling attacks in France (I said that this would be the case before events in Nice unfolded) so why Austria? If the EU do blame Erdogan's hate speech (let's call it what it was, it works both ways) on this latest spike, how will this affect Turkey's application to join? It doesn't sound like the kind of vernacular that would be used by someone with an affinity for European or indeed western values. Going back to ranking arrests for terrorism based on skin colour, this is always going to present skewed results. Clearly, people of colour are never going to join far right causes but numerous white people have joined Jihadist organisations- at least they have a more diverse approach to recruitment!
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Post by franklin on Nov 3, 2020 12:32:43 GMT
Well, your colour doesn't define your choice of religion or beliefs. I would think that it's the converts to radicalisation that society needs to be more wary about. In any case, I hope that Erdogan takes a lot of flack after his recent stirring up of events in France. I also hope that the EU (and UK) take a really strong concerted approach to tackling radicalisation and hate speech. If that means a near total lockout for immigrants until the radicals here have been flushed out and eliminated then so be it. It's an unfortunate stance but something really does need to done to protect those already here. These kind of acts should not be allowed to become the norm. We also need to implement legal measures that allow for more surveillance and aggressive action when related to terrorist activities. No more legal protection for terrorists or hate preachers. Anyone caught not condemning terrorist actions and sympathising with them should be removed from society. Anyone caught sharing or promoting hate materials should be removed from society. Anyone caught threatening national security or going against our way of life should be tried for treason and removed from society. The law needs to be much tougher and security forces need much more power to carry out their jobs in a more appropriate and aggressive manner. Unfortunately I think that these kind of acts are the norm now- is anyone surprised when incidents such as this happen anymore? Can anyone shed any light on the motivation for this attack- does Austria have any form of foreign policy in the Middle East? I agree with what you said re: Erdogan fueling attacks in France (I said that this would be the case before events in Nice unfolded) so why Austria? If the EU do blame Erdogan's hate speech (let's call it what it was, it works both ways) on this latest spike, how will this affect Turkey's application to join? It doesn't sound like the kind of vernacular that would be used by someone who values European or indeed western values. Going back to ranking arrests for terrorism based on skin colour, this is always going to present skewed results. Clearly, people of colour are never going to join far right causes but numerous white people have joined Jihadist organisations- at least they have a more diverse approach to recruitment! I'm not surprised anymore I'm outraged and angry and saddened but surprised no. I've resigned myself to this is it now nothing will change and attacks on innocent people will become the norm. I've also stopped trying to understand why because for me they make no sense and achieve nothing imho.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Nov 3, 2020 13:27:30 GMT
The Independon't is even worse- I remember a rather triumphalist headline earlier this year stating 'more white terrorists arrested than than any other ethnicity' (not the exact wording but that was the gist of it). If you'd actually read the article the stats included white people who'd joined Islamist groups, but what would most people assume just by reading the headline? Well, your colour doesn't define your choice of religion or beliefs. I would think that it's the converts to radicalisation that society needs to be more wary about. In any case, I hope that Erdogan takes a lot of flack after his recent stirring up of events in France. I also hope that the EU (and UK) take a really strong concerted approach to tackling radicalisation and hate speech. If that means a near total lockout for immigrants until the radicals here have been flushed out and eliminated then so be it. It's an unfortunate stance but something really does need to done to protect those already here. These kind of acts should not be allowed to become the norm. We also need to implement legal measures that allow for more surveillance and aggressive action when related to terrorist activities. No more legal protection for terrorists or hate preachers. Anyone caught not condemning terrorist actions and sympathising with them should be removed from society. Anyone caught sharing or promoting hate materials should be removed from society. Anyone caught threatening national security or going against our way of life should be tried for treason and removed from society. The law needs to be much tougher and security forces need much more power to carry out their jobs in a more appropriate and aggressive manner. Well said. Macron is absolutely right and it's hugely frustrating our weak PM has not backed up his man. I may disagree with Macron on his EU stance but he, like the silent majority of the UK is pro freedom, pro free speech, pro democracy and anti terror. Its a shame our painfully weak and woke parliament can't grow some bollocks and call these brainwashed motherfuckers out for what they are. Islam is a religion in crisis. Id argue it has always been a religion in crisis but hey.
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Post by foster on Nov 3, 2020 14:07:41 GMT
Well, your colour doesn't define your choice of religion or beliefs. I would think that it's the converts to radicalisation that society needs to be more wary about. In any case, I hope that Erdogan takes a lot of flack after his recent stirring up of events in France. I also hope that the EU (and UK) take a really strong concerted approach to tackling radicalisation and hate speech. If that means a near total lockout for immigrants until the radicals here have been flushed out and eliminated then so be it. It's an unfortunate stance but something really does need to done to protect those already here. These kind of acts should not be allowed to become the norm. We also need to implement legal measures that allow for more surveillance and aggressive action when related to terrorist activities. No more legal protection for terrorists or hate preachers. Anyone caught not condemning terrorist actions and sympathising with them should be removed from society. Anyone caught sharing or promoting hate materials should be removed from society. Anyone caught threatening national security or going against our way of life should be tried for treason and removed from society. The law needs to be much tougher and security forces need much more power to carry out their jobs in a more appropriate and aggressive manner. Well said. Macron is absolutely right and it's hugely frustrating our weak PM has not backed up his man. I may disagree with Macron on his EU stance but he, like the silent majority of the UK is pro freedom, pro free speech, pro democracy and anti terror. Its a shame our painfully weak and woke parliament can't grow some bollocks and call these brainwashed motherfuckers out for what they are. Islam is a religion in crisis. Id argue it has always been a religion in crisis but hey. I agree. Boris and Co are utterly spineless and should be making their support for these victims and condemnation of radicals absolutely clear. In fact, with the way Boris constantly avoids the big issues it's pretty clear to everyone that he's a clueless coward. He's a laughing stock and our weak police force is a laughing stock. It's embarrassing how much we pander to people that refuse to integrate and hate us. Turning a blind eye and pretending that radicals don't exist in the UK isn't going to make anyone any safer. Instead of sitting back and waiting for something else to happen here, we should be engaging with European leaders and working together to catch all these fuckers. This is far far far bigger than that BLM bollocks that so many politicians and organisations seemed so enraged/passionate about.
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Nov 3, 2020 14:10:46 GMT
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Nov 3, 2020 14:10:46 GMT
Well said. Macron is absolutely right and it's hugely frustrating our weak PM has not backed up his man. I may disagree with Macron on his EU stance but he, like the silent majority of the UK is pro freedom, pro free speech, pro democracy and anti terror. Its a shame our painfully weak and woke parliament can't grow some bollocks and call these brainwashed motherfuckers out for what they are. Islam is a religion in crisis. Id argue it has always been a religion in crisis but hey. I agree. Boris and Co are utterly spineless and should be making their support for these victims and condemnation of radicals absolutely clear. In fact, with the way Boris constantly avoids the big issues it's pretty clear to everyone that he's a clueless coward. He's a laughing stock and our weak police force is a laughing stock. It's embarrassing how much we pander to people that refuse to integrate and hate us. Turning a blind eye and pretending that radicals don't exist in the UK isn't going to make anyone any safer. Instead of sitting back and waiting for something else to happen here, we should be engaging with European leaders and working together to catch all these fuckers. This is far far far bigger than that BLM bollocks that so many politicians and organisations seemed so enraged/passionate about. Absolutely mate.
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