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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2020 19:34:06 GMT
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Oct 28, 2020 19:39:23 GMT
Murder is a complicated thing to pin on somebody for some reason. Justice system stinks. Obvious murder to normal people but isn’t it something about being pre meditated or some shite that gets them off? |
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Post by cobhamstokey on Oct 28, 2020 19:57:08 GMT
It all comes down to intent. If it’s pre meditated eg serial killers then it’s murder if it’s a killing after an argument then it’s generally manslaughter. Not saying it’s right but don’t think this is the defendent getting off murder because of his job.
I’ll be interested in what happens to the cop that is in court for the killing of George Floyd as If he was on trial over here again it would probably be manslaughter.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Oct 28, 2020 20:04:37 GMT
It all comes down to intent. If it’s pre meditated eg serial killers then it’s murder if it’s a killing after an argument then it’s generally manslaughter. Not saying it’s right but don’t think this is the defendent getting off murder because of his job. I’ll be interested in what happens to the cop that is in court for the killing of George Floyd as If he was on trial over here again it would probably be manslaughter. It would definitely be manslaughter |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2020 20:07:11 GMT
Come on eh. It isn't like a stray punch that kills a bloke and couldn't have been predicted. He's laid hands on her and the story is clearly bollocks.
"She said it was difficult to envisage a situation where a struggle in the car imparted the necessary degree of force or could explain the extent and severity of the neck injuries"
He also stabbed himself to make it look like a struggle and wiped his phone. You can't believe a word he's saying.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Oct 28, 2020 20:10:44 GMT
Come on eh. It isn't like a stray punch that kills a bloke and couldn't have been predicted. He's laid hands on her and the story is clearly bollocks. "She said it was difficult to envisage a situation where a struggle in the car imparted the necessary degree of force or could explain the extent and severity of the neck injuries" He also stabbed himself to make it look like a struggle and wiped his phone. You can't believe a word he's saying. This is true apparently but in theory you could kill somebody by accident then realise what you’ve done and cleaned up the evidence, still wouldn’t make it murder with our crazy justice system. 🤷🏻♂️ |
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Post by franklin on Oct 29, 2020 9:19:15 GMT
Come on eh. It isn't like a stray punch that kills a bloke and couldn't have been predicted. He's laid hands on her and the story is clearly bollocks. "She said it was difficult to envisage a situation where a struggle in the car imparted the necessary degree of force or could explain the extent and severity of the neck injuries" He also stabbed himself to make it look like a struggle and wiped his phone. You can't believe a word he's saying. This is true apparently but in theory you could kill somebody by accident then realise what you’ve done and cleaned up the evidence, still wouldn’t make it murder with our crazy justice system. 🤷🏻♂️ I actually agree his story is bollocks but the crown couldn't prove it. |
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Post by walstoke on Oct 29, 2020 9:36:48 GMT
Murder is a complicated thing to pin on somebody for some reason. Justice system stinks. Obvious murder to normal people but isn’t it something about being pre meditated or some shite that gets them off? To be convicted of murder you don't have to intend to kill, you only have to intend serious harm. This is determined by what you say and do before committing the crime. If you have a fight and hurt the other person and you're charged with wounding with intent, if that person subsequently dies, you would charged with murder, if you were charged wounding without intent, it would be manslaughter. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2020 13:48:37 GMT
Murder is a complicated thing to pin on somebody for some reason. Justice system stinks. Obvious murder to normal people but isn’t it something about being pre meditated or some shite that gets them off? To be convicted of murder you don't have to intend to kill, you only have to intend serious harm. This is determined by what you say and do before committing the crime. If you have a fight and hurt the other person and you're charged with wounding with intent, if that person subsequently dies, you would charged with murder, if you were charged wounding without intent, it would be manslaughter. Exactly. And for a copper to do this they would know exactly how serious it can be, and he's clearly stabbed himself knowing he's done serious damage. Once again, another rule for them and another rule for the public. |
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Post by walstoke on Oct 30, 2020 15:26:08 GMT
To be convicted of murder you don't have to intend to kill, you only have to intend serious harm. This is determined by what you say and do before committing the crime. If you have a fight and hurt the other person and you're charged with wounding with intent, if that person subsequently dies, you would charged with murder, if you were charged wounding without intent, it would be manslaughter. Exactly. And for a copper to do this they would know exactly how serious it can be, and he's clearly stabbed himself knowing he's done serious damage. Once again, another rule for them and another rule for the public. Sadly, too true. |
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Post by cobhamstokey on Oct 30, 2020 17:05:41 GMT
Exactly. And for a copper to do this they would know exactly how serious it can be, and he's clearly stabbed himself knowing he's done serious damage. Once again, another rule for them and another rule for the public. Sadly, too true. Not sure I’m buying that he’s being treated any better or worse than a member of the public. That said he doesn’t deserve to ever come out. No one does when they commit such an offence. |
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Post by walstoke on Oct 30, 2020 17:18:31 GMT
Not sure I’m buying that he’s being treated any better or worse than a member of the public. That said he doesn’t deserve to ever come out. No one does when they commit such an offence. to be fair, i haven't seen the nuts and bolts of the case, but the crown only have to prove you intended serious harm, so there must have been insufficient evidence to prove there case. I agree though he should have been slammed for many years |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 4, 2020 9:10:59 GMT
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Post by franklin on Nov 4, 2020 10:14:03 GMT
And rightly so the average is 15yrs so he's 33% less than that there is definitely room to increase his sentence. |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Nov 5, 2020 15:58:55 GMT
And rightly so the average is 15yrs so he's 33% less than that there is definitely room to increase his sentence. Agreed. Think I read he could've been freed after about 7 years. That's a ridiculously lenient amount of time for taking a life in the circumstances he did. |
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Post by franklin on Nov 5, 2020 16:16:06 GMT
And rightly so the average is 15yrs so he's 33% less than that there is definitely room to increase his sentence. Agreed. Think I read he could've been freed after about 7 years. That's a ridiculously lenient amount of time for taking a life in the circumstances he did. I think the fact the poor lady didn't die immediately saved him. I dont think 10yrs was ever enough but its a risk to appeal but I think they will increase his tariff his actions showed he was thinking clearly to be able to fabricate his defence as it unfolded in real time and on that basis it should be higher. Of course the caveat being im going on what I've read in the press. |
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