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Oct 25, 2020 11:49:18 GMT
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Post by scfcwebby on Oct 25, 2020 11:49:18 GMT
Thought about this during the game yesterday, not sure why JOM had got the armband, I'm guessing because of his experience. Ryan is obviously the club captain and rightly so, but with the fact that, realistically, he won't play that much football anymore, who would you want as captain?
I've watched Collins as closely as I can on the stand and I'm really impressed with his communication and leadership at the back, constantly taking and marshalling people around, for me he is the future and even at his young age should be captain for me, really impressed with the lad.
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Post by crowey on Oct 25, 2020 11:52:51 GMT
.... I think JOM should keep it at the moment
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 25, 2020 12:03:17 GMT
I think Mikel makes sense doesn't he? Why are not sure he got it?
Collins is a good shout though but at the minute I think JOM makes plenty of sense and keeps the pressure off Collins.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2020 12:06:45 GMT
JOM makes sense to me, didn't we largely sign him because we want more winners in the dressing room. He's someone for people to look up to, a Champions League winner.
Fucking brilliant player too.
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Oct 25, 2020 12:21:39 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2020 12:21:39 GMT
Thought about this during the game yesterday, not sure why JOM had got the armband, I'm guessing because of his experience. Ryan is obviously the club captain and rightly so, but with the fact that, realistically, he won't play that much football anymore, who would you want as captain? I've watched Collins as closely as I can on the stand and I'm really impressed with his communication and leadership at the back, constantly taking and marshalling people around, for me he is the future and even at his young age should be captain for me, really impressed with the lad. Collins is 19 and has played less than 50 games of senior football. Making him Captain would be a bad decision. Captains should command respect in the dressing room. Like it or not, seasoned players aren’t going to respond to a 19 year old whose barely kicked a ball in senior football, especially given that he’s not exactly been a major stand out player yet (he’s also not had many bad games).
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2020 12:28:08 GMT
Long term it's a choice between Souttar and Collins. Both represent the values you want in a captain splendidly and both have already worn the band, Souttar while on loan and Collins under Jones, probably only one or two games, but Nathan Jones was right in seeing his potential.
We know O'Neill is a little more conservative, so he will want those two to concentrate on developing their game, They will continue to encourage team mates and that's good. But strictly speaking they're not fully established players yet, under O'Neill. They have, currently, played less than 10 League games under him. He will want to see how they react when the going gets tough and it will, sooner or later. On that note he will have been pleased to see how Collins came back after his now rescinded red card.
Among the rest of the senior players there's quite a few who are too quiet, whereas Mikel, captain for many years of Nigeria and an influential member of a very successful Chelsea team, has all the qualities to lead the line.
Should he keep it when Clucas and Allen return? I'm not impressed by either player's captain credentials, but, they were given the position, last season, so it might unsettle them if they lose their right to lead the team.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 25, 2020 13:21:32 GMT
Thought about this during the game yesterday, not sure why JOM had got the armband, I'm guessing because of his experience. Ryan is obviously the club captain and rightly so, but with the fact that, realistically, he won't play that much football anymore, who would you want as captain? I've watched Collins as closely as I can on the stand and I'm really impressed with his communication and leadership at the back, constantly taking and marshalling people around, for me he is the future and even at his young age should be captain for me, really impressed with the lad. Collins is 19 and has played less than 50 games of senior football. Making him Captain would be a bad decision. Captains should command respect in the dressing room. Like it or not, seasoned players aren’t going to respond to a 19 year old whose barely kicked a ball in senior football, especially given that he’s not exactly been a major stand out player yet (he’s also not had many bad games). Tbh any older player with that sort of attitude should be fucked off.
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Post by JoeinOz on Oct 25, 2020 13:25:53 GMT
Captaincy in football teams is a hugely overplayed issue. InEngland. It’s nowhere near as relevant as it’s made out to be.
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Oct 25, 2020 14:46:24 GMT
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Post by scfcwebby on Oct 25, 2020 14:46:24 GMT
I think Mikel makes sense doesn't he? Why are not sure he got it? Collins is a good shout though but at the minute I think JOM makes plenty of sense and keeps the pressure off Collins. None of us know why any player gets the armband, we largely guess what a playet is like by what we see on the pitch or by how long a player has been at the club. I am not saying that JOM shouldn't have it by the way, im just really impressed with Collins on the pitch in terms of his communication and ability to give instructions
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Oct 25, 2020 14:47:58 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 25, 2020 14:47:58 GMT
I think Mikel makes sense doesn't he? Why are not sure he got it? Collins is a good shout though but at the minute I think JOM makes plenty of sense and keeps the pressure off Collins. None of us know why any player gets the armband, we largely guess what a playet is like by what we see on the pitch or by how long a player has been at the club. I am not saying that JOM shouldn't have it by the way, im just really impressed with Collins on the pitch in terms of his communication and ability to give instructions I think we can have a good idea though. And I can certainly guess why JOM has been given it. Definitely agree re Collins though. He’s a born leader/organiser.
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Post by PotterLog on Oct 25, 2020 14:52:34 GMT
Every interview I’ve ever seen with players seems to indicate that the role of the captain is almost entirely an off-field administrative/communication thing rather than anything significant on the field.
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Oct 25, 2020 14:59:34 GMT
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Post by bgreen13 on Oct 25, 2020 14:59:34 GMT
Got to be between Mikel and Chester
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Post by scfcwebby on Oct 25, 2020 15:18:49 GMT
Got to between Mikel and Chester Chester?????????
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Post by nottsover60 on Oct 25, 2020 15:34:14 GMT
Shawcross was the youngest player in the squad when he became captain so age isn't important. He was however one of the first names on the team sheet which I don't think we can say for certain about Collins or Souttar as they've not had any long run in the team and may yet have a dip in form requiring them to be dropped. How they react to set backs will determine if they become captain in the end. At the moment after Shawcross I would pick JOM. Calm under pressure, bags of experience and a winner. The way Collins played his best game of the season so soon after his controversial sending off bodes well for the future.
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Oct 25, 2020 16:00:33 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2020 16:00:33 GMT
Collins is 19 and has played less than 50 games of senior football. Making him Captain would be a bad decision. Captains should command respect in the dressing room. Like it or not, seasoned players aren’t going to respond to a 19 year old whose barely kicked a ball in senior football, especially given that he’s not exactly been a major stand out player yet (he’s also not had many bad games). Tbh any older player with that sort of attitude should be fucked off. I mean, it’s the way of the world. Responsibility is earned. He hasn’t excelled when he has played, he’s just played fine enough. There’s little doubting that he could be a captain at the end of the season, or the next. There’s little doubt that he has the potential to be a great player. He just hasn’t shown that much yet to earn the honor of captaincy. He also is vastly more inexperienced than the majority of the team and would learn more from being taught than he would from trying to direct others.
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Post by mrcoke on Oct 25, 2020 16:56:16 GMT
Captaincy in football teams is a hugely overplayed issue. InEngland. It’s nowhere near as relevant as it’s made out to be. I think that is generally true, but it is also the case that all really successful teams usually have an outstanding captain. Collins is going to be an outstanding player. He is exceedingly talented and appears to have a strong character. I think he still sometimes shows he is 19 and does something rash. It seems to me that many of our young players try too hard to achieve something good such as beating a man or a Hollywood pass only to lose the ball and hand the initiative to the other team. Edwards was prone to this and Collins has done it a few times. Soutter on the other hand has generally been very sound. Tymon attempted a backpass poorly yesterday, and cost us a goal; an older, mature professional would have put the ball in the back row of the stand.
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Post by Linx on Oct 25, 2020 17:01:59 GMT
Shawcross was the youngest player in the squad when he became captain so age isn't important. He was however one of the first names on the team sheet which I don't think we can say for certain about Collins or Souttar as they've not had any long run in the team and may yet have a dip in form requiring them to be dropped. How they react to set backs will determine if they become captain in the end. At the moment after Shawcross I would pick JOM. Calm under pressure, bags of experience and a winner. The way Collins played his best game of the season so soon after his controversial sending off bodes well for the future. Another factor would be his playing position. A defensive midfielder is ideally placed to ‘see’ and judge the game.
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Post by bolders on Oct 25, 2020 17:08:51 GMT
Has to be Ince doesnt it
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Oct 25, 2020 17:14:51 GMT
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Post by lordb on Oct 25, 2020 17:14:51 GMT
Got to between Mikel and Chester Chester????????? Yes Chester His leadership qualities are why the manager likes him so much.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2020 18:13:06 GMT
Yes Chester His leadership qualities are why the manager likes him so much. Correction: not 'are' but 'were. He was a great leader for Villa, but he's not that player anymore, as we've seen too often here.
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