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Post by waddosnavy on Oct 24, 2020 13:01:12 GMT
During pre-season all Stokies are heartened to hear reports of how hard the players are training, but we have been disappointed when the season starts and we see what we perceive as 'lesser' teams looking leaner, fitter and with more stamina. An article in todays (Sat 24th Oct) Telegraph highlights West Hams Tomas Soucek who regularly ran on Hackney Marshes during lockdown to increase his stamina. Previously, he had trained with his mother who has been running half and full marathons for the past 15 years. David Moyes comments that 6ft 4in Soucek had run more in a match than any West Ham player had run in six years.
Now I realise that Footballers need more than running. However, wasn't our success in the 70's partially built on stamina acquired during arduous Trentham Hills runs enabling Jackie March to play 69 matches (including extra time) in a season? Additionally didn't Stan Matthews apportion some of his fitness and lengthy career to lengthy runs on Lancashire beaches?
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Post by femark on Oct 24, 2020 13:10:08 GMT
During pre-season all Stokies are heartened to hear reports of how hard the players are training, but we have been disappointed when the season starts and we see what we perceive as 'lesser' teams looking leaner, fitter and with more stamina. An article in todays (Sat 24th Oct) Telegraph highlights West Hams Tomas Soucek who regularly ran on Hackney Marshes during lockdown to increase his stamina. Previously, he had trained with his mother who has been running half and full marathons for the past 15 years. David Moyes comments that 6ft 4in Soucek had run more in a match than any West Ham player had run in six years. Now I realise that Footballers need more than running. However, wasn't our success in the 70's partially built on stamina acquired during arduous Trentham Hills runs enabling Jackie March to play 69 matches (including extra time) in a season? Additionally didn't Stan Matthews apportion some of his fitness and lengthy career to lengthy runs on Lancashire beaches? Fitness makes the difference at all levels of football. It really isn’t appreciated enough. |
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Post by citynickscfc on Oct 24, 2020 13:14:46 GMT
During pre-season all Stokies are heartened to hear reports of how hard the players are training, but we have been disappointed when the season starts and we see what we perceive as 'lesser' teams looking leaner, fitter and with more stamina. An article in todays (Sat 24th Oct) Telegraph highlights West Hams Tomas Soucek who regularly ran on Hackney Marshes during lockdown to increase his stamina. Previously, he had trained with his mother who has been running half and full marathons for the past 15 years. David Moyes comments that 6ft 4in Soucek had run more in a match than any West Ham player had run in six years. Now I realise that Footballers need more than running. However, wasn't our success in the 70's partially built on stamina acquired during arduous Trentham Hills runs enabling Jackie March to play 69 matches (including extra time) in a season? Additionally didn't Stan Matthews apportion some of his fitness and lengthy career to lengthy runs on Lancashire beaches? Wasn't it Klopp that highlighted the importance of 'working harder' than the opposition? I am not sure of the stats but the team that covered the most distance, ergo worked the hardest, won the match most often. I think it was something like 70%, but I can't say for certain. It makes sense as you can attribute desire, aggression, commitment to hard work, where as being passive usually ends in conceding. Even under pulis we worked extremely hard off the ball, even if it was working too keep on markers and in shape. That's why it's so frustrating to see us milling around with little passion, enthusiasm and commitment in this wank back 5 that is being proposed as a 3.... When 5 guys are almost exclusively in a line at all times, get the odd pointless spree forward that often ends in another terrible cross you no one or the opposition countering our weak side |
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Post by jimigoodwinsbeard on Oct 24, 2020 17:03:44 GMT
I like soucek, been a very good signing for moyes.
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Oct 24, 2020 17:38:59 GMT
Pulis' side was one of the fittest too and it gave us an edge at times. That fitness seemed to drop off under Hughes, especially for some players.
I think most teams have caught up and overall fitness of footballers is better now than it was ten years ago.
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Post by swampmongrel on Oct 24, 2020 17:58:47 GMT
Pulis' side was one of the fittest too and it gave us an edge at times. That fitness seemed to drop off under Hughes, especially for some players. I think most teams have caught up and overall fitness of footballers is better now than it was ten years ago. Not just compared to Pulis. The Hughes team in his last couple of seasons were noticeably less fit than most sides in the league. You could spot it in most matches. |
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Post by Billy the kid on Oct 24, 2020 18:19:55 GMT
Pulis' side was one of the fittest too and it gave us an edge at times. That fitness seemed to drop off under Hughes, especially for some players. I think most teams have caught up and overall fitness of footballers is better now than it was ten years ago. Not just compared to Pulis. The Hughes team in his last couple of seasons were noticeably less fit than most sides in the league. You could spot it in most matches. I suppose if the gaffer can’t be arsed to show up for training, well what’s good for the goose and all that. Hughes never really took training, and at the end it showed |
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Post by generationex on Oct 24, 2020 18:28:40 GMT
A fit side can always work harder than an unfit side. Which guarantees they have a particular edge over the opposition.
A skilled side can overcome this advantage but depend on players that are very skilled and usually very expensive. The risk is their ego doesn’t demand hard work because they regard themselves as gifted.
Fitness costs nothing other than the mental application of the player and the determination of the coach.
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Post by cerebralstokie on Oct 24, 2020 20:29:57 GMT
I think running over hills improves general fitness and stamina. It was Roy Fowler I believe who led these runs (he was a cross country champion). Sports Science has taken over - with the Bleep Test and the like. All good stuff but I still think that there is a place for hill training. I believe Tony Pulis though so as well.
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Post by zerps on Oct 24, 2020 20:39:23 GMT
I remember when someone called Sjw a fat bastard on twitter and his retort was “ lowest body fat at the club pal “
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Post by generationex on Oct 24, 2020 20:44:38 GMT
Super John was the embodiment of fitness as the foundation of performance. Fantastic Pro that put some of Hughes’ fuckwits to shame.
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Post by J-Roar on Oct 24, 2020 22:18:11 GMT
Pulis' side was one of the fittest too and it gave us an edge at times. That fitness seemed to drop off under Hughes, especially for some players. I think most teams have caught up and overall fitness of footballers is better now than it was ten years ago. Not just compared to Pulis. The Hughes team in his last couple of seasons were noticeably less fit than most sides in the league. You could spot it in most matches. Poor fitness also means more muscle injuries. These seemed to be more prevalent in his later seasons. |
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