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Post by mickstupp on Feb 14, 2021 16:50:05 GMT
Fantastic win for Barnsley. For those who are using that result to once again hammer the club that you claim to support, please remember that the last team to beat Brentford was Stoke City, and Barnsley are still below us in the league. Absolutely no doubt in my mind that there is a right time to play teams. Brentford started the season 3-1-3. Taking nothing away from our win but I think the timing was good. They even lost to Birmingham that's how poor their start was Without a doubt. It’s like playing Norwich when their best player is suspended for two games. They were clueless without Beundea, and it was our misfortune to be their opponents for his first game back.
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Post by citynickscfc on Feb 14, 2021 16:51:36 GMT
No, it's a discussion board. Don't you think that most of us would like to ask MON why he isn't doing what he did last season? And why he's being a hypocrite picking names over players that are actually playing well in addition to playing players all over the place and out of position? Hanging kids out to dry rather than saying "Joe simply isn't doing enough" "Mikel simply isn't offering enough protection" "it was my negative fucking shite that has us not performing" "I'll look in the mirror" - see the Bristol manager. In the interview I heard on Radio Stoke last night he clearly criticised the younger and experienced players. He criticised Fox for his role in the second goal and Clarke for his ineffective first half performance. Who are the players who have been “playing well” who he’s left out? Clarke was potentially our most effective player first half. So that's one. Verlinden was much more effective than Matondo with less minutes. Batth hasn't been given a run of games, which is mental. Does fine and then dropped for the hapless Chester. Cousins dropped for the name Allen and Mikel. Clucas playing instead of a cone, a la Vokes. Gunn playing over Davies? Why bother? -we can't afford to buy him next year anyway, Davies will just get pissed off like the rest of the squad seems to be. At the going rate he will loose the squad before the end of the campaign, if he hasn't already that is. They are barely trying. I'm sure there are more examples too? He hasn't given multiple players a look in, players whom if we got even a few games our of could at least justify their wage. There are many examples
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Feb 14, 2021 16:53:27 GMT
In the interview I heard on Radio Stoke last night he clearly criticised the younger and experienced players. He criticised Fox for his role in the second goal and Clarke for his ineffective first half performance. Who are the players who have been “playing well” who he’s left out? Clarke was potentially our most effective player first half. So that's one. Verlinden was much more effective than Matondo with less minutes. Batth hasn't been given a run of games, which is mental. Does fine and then dropped for the hapless Chester. Cousins dropped for the name Allen and Mikel. Clucas playing instead of a cone, a la Vokes. Gunn playing over Davies? Why bother? -we can't afford to buy him next year anyway, Davies will just get pissed off like the rest of the squad seems to be. At the going rate he will loose the squad before the end of the campaign, if he hasn't already that is. They are barely trying. I'm sure there are more examples too? He hasn't given multiple players a look in, players whom if we got even a few games our of could at least justify their wage. There are many examples Hapless Chester😄you lost any credibility after that
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Post by lordb on Feb 14, 2021 16:53:36 GMT
In the interview I heard on Radio Stoke last night he clearly criticised the younger and experienced players. He criticised Fox for his role in the second goal and Clarke for his ineffective first half performance. Who are the players who have been “playing well” who he’s left out? Clarke was potentially our most effective player first half. So that's one. Verlinden was much more effective than Matondo with less minutes. Batth hasn't been given a run of games, which is mental. Does fine and then dropped for the hapless Chester. Cousins dropped for the name Allen and Mikel. Clucas playing instead of a cone, a la Vokes. Gunn playing over Davies? Why bother? -we can't afford to buy him next year anyway, Davies will just get pissed off like the rest of the squad seems to be. At the going rate he will loose the squad before the end of the campaign, if he hasn't already that is. They are barely trying. I'm sure there are more examples too? He hasn't given multiple players a look in, players whom if we got even a few games our of could at least justify their wage. There are many examples Did you miss the Rotherham game?
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Post by citynickscfc on Feb 14, 2021 16:55:50 GMT
Clarke was potentially our most effective player first half. So that's one. Verlinden was much more effective than Matondo with less minutes. Batth hasn't been given a run of games, which is mental. Does fine and then dropped for the hapless Chester. Cousins dropped for the name Allen and Mikel. Clucas playing instead of a cone, a la Vokes. Gunn playing over Davies? Why bother? -we can't afford to buy him next year anyway, Davies will just get pissed off like the rest of the squad seems to be. At the going rate he will loose the squad before the end of the campaign, if he hasn't already that is. They are barely trying. I'm sure there are more examples too? He hasn't given multiple players a look in, players whom if we got even a few games our of could at least justify their wage. There are many examples Hapless Chester😄you lost any credibility after that He's so slow. We defend well because we have 10 behind the ball. Did you see how well organised the defence was yesterday??? It's happened many times this season, but ok... Chester is fine her will definitely make it in the prem. Wait a minute...
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Post by citynickscfc on Feb 14, 2021 16:56:21 GMT
Clarke was potentially our most effective player first half. So that's one. Verlinden was much more effective than Matondo with less minutes. Batth hasn't been given a run of games, which is mental. Does fine and then dropped for the hapless Chester. Cousins dropped for the name Allen and Mikel. Clucas playing instead of a cone, a la Vokes. Gunn playing over Davies? Why bother? -we can't afford to buy him next year anyway, Davies will just get pissed off like the rest of the squad seems to be. At the going rate he will loose the squad before the end of the campaign, if he hasn't already that is. They are barely trying. I'm sure there are more examples too? He hasn't given multiple players a look in, players whom if we got even a few games our of could at least justify their wage. There are many examples Did you miss the Rotherham game? 1 win in 15
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Post by mickstupp on Feb 14, 2021 16:56:41 GMT
In the interview I heard on Radio Stoke last night he clearly criticised the younger and experienced players. He criticised Fox for his role in the second goal and Clarke for his ineffective first half performance. Who are the players who have been “playing well” who he’s left out? Clarke was potentially our most effective player first half. So that's one. Verlinden was much more effective than Matondo with less minutes. Batth hasn't been given a run of games, which is mental. Does fine and then dropped for the hapless Chester. Cousins dropped for the name Allen and Mikel. Clucas playing instead of a cone, a la Vokes. Gunn playing over Davies? Why bother? -we can't afford to buy him next year anyway, Davies will just get pissed off like the rest of the squad seems to be. At the going rate he will loose the squad before the end of the campaign, if he hasn't already that is. They are barely trying. I'm sure there are more examples too? He hasn't given multiple players a look in, players whom if we got even a few games our of could at least justify their wage. There are many examples Every example you have given there is flimsy to say the least. It’s based on nothing but your own subjectivity and opinion. I asked you who has been playing well? Clarke was crap yesterday, and rightly taken off. Verlinden has never done anything for Stoke and he’s done even less at his new club. Batth is a liability and there is nothing really to chose between any of the keepers. Gunn wasn’t at fault for any of the goals yesterday. The only thing I agree with you on is Cousins.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Feb 14, 2021 16:58:30 GMT
Hapless Chester😄you lost any credibility after that He's so slow. We defend well because we have 10 behind the ball. Did you see how well organised the defence was yesterday??? It's happened many times this season, but ok... Chester is fine her will definitely make it in the prem. Wait a minute... So youve conveniently forgot about all the clean sheets we’ve had this season with him at the back🤔Agenda driven bollocks just like many a poster on here sadly
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Post by citynickscfc on Feb 14, 2021 17:03:42 GMT
Clarke was potentially our most effective player first half. So that's one. Verlinden was much more effective than Matondo with less minutes. Batth hasn't been given a run of games, which is mental. Does fine and then dropped for the hapless Chester. Cousins dropped for the name Allen and Mikel. Clucas playing instead of a cone, a la Vokes. Gunn playing over Davies? Why bother? -we can't afford to buy him next year anyway, Davies will just get pissed off like the rest of the squad seems to be. At the going rate he will loose the squad before the end of the campaign, if he hasn't already that is. They are barely trying. I'm sure there are more examples too? He hasn't given multiple players a look in, players whom if we got even a few games our of could at least justify their wage. There are many examples Every example you have given there is flimsy to say the least. It’s based on nothing but your own subjectivity and opinion. Clarke was crap yesterday, and rightly taken off. Verlinden has never done anything for Stoke and he’s done even less at his new club. Batth is a liability and there is nothing really to chose between any of the keepers. Gunn wasn’t at fault for any of the goals yesterday, The entire squad were crap. Why single him out? He made the only scoring chance that Norwich didn't make for us and still we managed to mess them up. I think matondo was way way worse, Collins should have been hooked if anyone! I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks these things, so clearly I'm not the only one. Nor are those examples flimsy, in the slightest... Not one. Yes, Chester is crap and will not be part of a Stoke team looking for promotion. Compare him to Shawcross when we were provided, to Batth last season who was immense for us at the end of the season but has had no look in, to Leon Cort, examples of center backs whose shoes our lot must fill. What are Chesters strengths???
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Post by citynickscfc on Feb 14, 2021 17:05:22 GMT
He's so slow. We defend well because we have 10 behind the ball. Did you see how well organised the defence was yesterday??? It's happened many times this season, but ok... Chester is fine her will definitely make it in the prem. Wait a minute... So youve conveniently forgot about all the clean sheets we’ve had this season with him at the back🤔Agenda driven bollocks just like many a poster on here sadly Wake up. 10 men behind the ball creating nothing, yet it must be the defence... Binary season 101, get behind the ball. As soon as we come up against a team that offer anything in attack we turn to shit in defence, particularly with Chester. We are not underdogs anymore. Again I ask, what are his strengths? He's clearly not organising the defence nor midfield. He offers no cover to left backs, he makes errors every game. He's got no presence, he also struggles to be physical. He's a strange choice for a leader but for a 'name', perhaps a role model off the field, but way too quiet and often anonymous on the field. We need much much more.
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Post by mickstupp on Feb 14, 2021 17:07:37 GMT
Every example you have given there is flimsy to say the least. It’s based on nothing but your own subjectivity and opinion. Clarke was crap yesterday, and rightly taken off. Verlinden has never done anything for Stoke and he’s done even less at his new club. Batth is a liability and there is nothing really to chose between any of the keepers. Gunn wasn’t at fault for any of the goals yesterday, The entire squad were crap. Why single him out? He made the only scoring chance that Norwich didn't make for us and still we managed to need them up. I think matondo was way way worse, Collins should have been hooked if anyone! I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks these things, so clearly I'm not the only one. Nor are those examples flimsy, in the slightest... Not one. Yes, Chester is crap and will not be part of a Stoke team looking for promotion. Compare him to Shawcross when we were provided, to Batth last season who was immense for us at the end of the season but has had no look in, to Leon Cort, examples of center backs whose shoes our lot must fill. What are Chesters strengths??? Ok you said in a previous post that players who were “playing well” had been dropped. I asked you who these players were and the reply was Clarke, Verlinden, Batth, Davies and Cousins. Sorry, but they are very flimsy examples with the exception of Cousins, who I agree has been unlucky to have lost his place. The other players you have listed have not played well and do not deserve to be playing regularly on current form. Finally, Leon Cort was a bloody hopeless defender, and Batth at no stage could ever be described as “immense”, unless you are describing his recent calamitous performance against Rotherham which was immensely shite.
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Post by citynickscfc on Feb 14, 2021 17:12:17 GMT
The entire squad were crap. Why single him out? He made the only scoring chance that Norwich didn't make for us and still we managed to need them up. I think matondo was way way worse, Collins should have been hooked if anyone! I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks these things, so clearly I'm not the only one. Nor are those examples flimsy, in the slightest... Not one. Yes, Chester is crap and will not be part of a Stoke team looking for promotion. Compare him to Shawcross when we were provided, to Batth last season who was immense for us at the end of the season but has had no look in, to Leon Cort, examples of center backs whose shoes our lot must fill. What are Chesters strengths??? Ok you said in a previous post that players who were “playing well” had been dropped. I asked you who these players were and the reply was Clarke, Verlinden, Batth, Davies and Cousins. Sorry, but they are very flimsy examples with the exception of Cousins, who I agree has been unlucky to have lost his place. The other players you have listed have not played well and do not deserve to be playing regularly on current form. Ok so Davies wasn't playing well pre injury? He also didn't deserve his place but instead we put someone who won't be our player in 4 months there instead (who is much worse by the way). Verlinden didn't show glimpses when he came on either after the injury even? And before his injury he wasn't a massive difference? Batth has not had a run of games and Chester has been wank in many, he did play well at reading where we were the better team and didn't deserve to be dropped. Clarke did not deserve to be singled out and cousins should never have been dropped. Which of those aren't accurate???
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Feb 14, 2021 17:13:40 GMT
So youve conveniently forgot about all the clean sheets we’ve had this season with him at the back🤔Agenda driven bollocks just like many a poster on here sadly Wake up. 10 men behind the ball creating nothing, yet it must be the defence... Binary season 101, get behind the ball. As soon as we come up against a team that offer anything in attack we turn to shit in defence, particularly with Chester. We are not underdogs anymore. Binary season?So going by your theory then Shawcross and Huth were shit as well then because we had 10 behind the ball and the centre halves protected🤔We’re going through a bad run but the last 2 games against Reading and Norwich you can’t say we haven’t had chances in both games to score.Fletcher goal disallowed and McClean last week. Yesterday,Fletcher disallowed goal,Mikel volley early on,Fletcher clean through(yes from a Norwich bad pass). Yesterday for me was about our defending as a team as their 1st goal showed.For me he should have gone with a back 5 and kept it tight but sadly we were wide open
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Post by mickstupp on Feb 14, 2021 17:17:27 GMT
Ok you said in a previous post that players who were “playing well” had been dropped. I asked you who these players were and the reply was Clarke, Verlinden, Batth, Davies and Cousins. Sorry, but they are very flimsy examples with the exception of Cousins, who I agree has been unlucky to have lost his place. The other players you have listed have not played well and do not deserve to be playing regularly on current form. Ok so Davies wasn't playing well pre injury? He also didn't deserve his place but instead we put someone who won't be our player in 4 months there instead (who is much worse by the way). Verlinden didn't show glimpses when he came on either after the injury even? And before his injury he wasn't a massive difference? Batth has not had a run of games and Chester has been wank in many, he did play well at reading where we were the better team and didn't deserve to be dropped. Clarke did not deserve to be singled out and cousins should never have been dropped. Which of those aren't accurate??? Davies was doing ok, like I said, there’s nothing to choose really between any of them. Gunn wasn’t at fault yesterday and Davies would not have made any difference. Again, I asked you for examples to back up your statement that the manager has dropped players that were “playing well” but your response has been to list players that either weren’t in the team to begin with like Verlinden, players who have been in the team like Clarke, or those who simply were not playing well at all like Batth.
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Post by liathroid on Feb 14, 2021 17:18:39 GMT
Arsenal 3 up at half time
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Post by citynickscfc on Feb 14, 2021 17:21:45 GMT
Wake up. 10 men behind the ball creating nothing, yet it must be the defence... Binary season 101, get behind the ball. As soon as we come up against a team that offer anything in attack we turn to shit in defence, particularly with Chester. We are not underdogs anymore. Binary season?So going by your theory then Shawcross and Huth were shit as well then because we had 10 behind the ball and the centre halves protected🤔We’re going through a bad run but the last 2 games against Reading and Norwich you can’t say we haven’t had chances in both games to score.Fletcher goal disallowed and McClean last week. Yesterday,Fletcher disallowed goal,Mikel volley early on,Fletcher clean through(yes from a Norwich bad pass). Yesterday for me was about our defending as a team as their 1st goal showed.For me he should have gone with a back 5 and kept it tight but sadly we were wide open We were underdogs with Shawcross and Huth. And we did well against much, much better opposition. By my theory Shawcross and Huth were not shit, by no means does anything I suggested state that. They were man mountains. Chester is nowhere near their level... Absolutely couldn't be further away. He had no obvious strengths, why is he starting? He doesn't have a future with us, at least not a successful one, so why not try Collins? Give him a chance? Honestly Batth was fine against reading. We are no longer underdogs, we should not be going into games not to lose at this level. The defending yesterday was comical, Norwich were pretty crap too if we are honest, their defending was shocking yet we failed to even muster more than a few chances. It was diabolical on all fronts and MON has to take most of the blame for the poor selections and tactics.
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Post by liathroid on Feb 14, 2021 18:02:23 GMT
Arsenal 4 2 up 20mins to go
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Post by boskampsflaps on Feb 14, 2021 18:17:12 GMT
I'm glad you find it interesting and don't you worry, as long as MON keeps showing he hasn't got a clue I'll keep posting it. I'm thinking a podcast soon what do you reckon? Great idea. Invite the manager on and tell him face to face what you think about him instead of constantly posting it on here ad nauseam. Why would I not say it to his face, I never understand that response as if my opinion would suddenly change, I'm not being abusive. Also this is a forum for such things, maybe find something else to do if its not your thing.
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Post by mickstupp on Feb 14, 2021 18:21:23 GMT
Great idea. Invite the manager on and tell him face to face what you think about him instead of constantly posting it on here ad nauseam. Why would I not say it to his face, I never understand that response as if my opinion would suddenly change, I'm not being abusive. Also this is a forum for such things, maybe find something else to do if its not your thing. Are you sure supporting Stoke City is the thing for you? You seem unable to accept the peaks and troughs that are part of supporting a club like ours. Constant and monotonous bleating about tactics and personnel just strike me as a particularly joyless way to follow your club.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Feb 14, 2021 18:25:29 GMT
Why would I not say it to his face, I never understand that response as if my opinion would suddenly change, I'm not being abusive. Also this is a forum for such things, maybe find something else to do if its not your thing. Are you sure supporting Stoke City is the thing for you? You seem unable to accept the peaks and troughs that are part of supporting a club like ours. Constant and monotonous bleating about tactics and personnel just strike me as a particularly joyless way to follow your club. I support the club like everyone else, but that doesn't mean I won't comment when decisions are being made that adversley affect it. Support doesn't mean blindly agreeing with everything going on.
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Post by mickstupp on Feb 14, 2021 18:27:07 GMT
Are you sure supporting Stoke City is the thing for you? You seem unable to accept the peaks and troughs that are part of supporting a club like ours. Constant and monotonous bleating about tactics and personnel just strike me as a particularly joyless way to follow your club. I support the club like everyone else, but that doesn't mean I won't comment when decisions are being made that adversley affect it. Support doesn't mean blindly agreeing with everything going on. I don’t see anyone “blindly agreeing” to anything.
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Post by liathroid on Feb 14, 2021 20:07:16 GMT
Fulham 1 up at Everton
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Post by datguy on Feb 14, 2021 20:28:29 GMT
2-0 Fulham. Maja scored two on his full debut. Wasn't he linked with Birmingham in Jan before he went Fulham?
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 14, 2021 20:43:34 GMT
Is Maja the lad that scored the goals for Sunderland before disappearing to France?
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Post by liathroid on Feb 14, 2021 20:45:50 GMT
Is Maja the lad that scored the goals for Sunderland before disappearing to France? yeah
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Post by GeneralFaye on Feb 14, 2021 20:48:54 GMT
Fulham have played Everton off the park. If there were fans in the stadium the Everton players wouldn't be getting away with this.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 14, 2021 21:16:57 GMT
I hope Fulham can somehow manage to stay up.
Really good footballing side that are just starting to gel.
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Post by JoeinOz on Feb 15, 2021 21:28:42 GMT
Some effort from Bielefeld drawing with Bayern.
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Post by pieofpeter on Feb 15, 2021 21:42:30 GMT
Some effort from Bielefeld drawing with Bayern. Great game really was with draw being the fair result in the end. Bayern's lead at the top only 5 points as well now, with them being patchy this season I get the feeling they will blow the title. All credit to Bielefeld though fully deserved.
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Post by somersetstokie on Feb 16, 2021 21:33:27 GMT
Dom Telford scored for Newport against Exeter.
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