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Tymon
Oct 23, 2020 9:22:09 GMT
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Post by gingerninja on Oct 23, 2020 9:22:09 GMT
Do we stick or twist?. I like how he has come back from set backs stronger and is certainly very much in the manager's thinking, but had a couple of indifferent games of late. Do we stick with him on Saturday, or if fit put McClean back in?. On another point, we simply have to find a way of beating the press teams have got wise to against us. Passes across the back to the wing backsfollowed by a hopeful channel ball won't work if we want to progress.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Oct 23, 2020 9:25:25 GMT
If Clucas is still injured (which he probably will be according to the local media) then I'd be tempted to move Tymon into central midfield where he played very well the other week. Hopefully McClean will be fit and able to take on the role of left wing back.
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Tymon
Oct 23, 2020 9:25:49 GMT
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Oct 23, 2020 9:25:49 GMT
I would play him. Needs a good run of games. McClean is effective off the bench
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Oct 23, 2020 9:26:06 GMT
If we're sticking with wing backs then Tymon should have a run.
Personally I think, limited though he is, our forward play misses having McClean to stretch the play immensely but he's no wing back.
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Tymon
Oct 23, 2020 9:27:29 GMT
Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2020 9:27:29 GMT
Would leave him out at the weekend as not been very good at all of late.
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Post by leicspotter on Oct 23, 2020 9:28:21 GMT
Loan him out to a Greek club
"Tymon of Athens"
I'll get me coat
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Oct 23, 2020 9:32:38 GMT
Loan him out to a Greek club "Tymon of Athens" I'll get me coat Not like you to quote the Bard on this board!
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Post by thestatusquo on Oct 23, 2020 9:37:16 GMT
Loan him out to a Greek club "Tymon of Athens" I'll get me coat Not like you to quote the Bard on this board! He should be Bard !! I’ll get me coat
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Tymon
Oct 23, 2020 9:59:06 GMT
Post by spitthedog on Oct 23, 2020 9:59:06 GMT
He's capable of putting in the odd good ball, but some of his passes/decision making from a defensive position are poor and |I don't trust him defensively, so a bit like McClean but I think McClean works the opposition defenders much harder and is therefore more effective for the team from what we have seen so far. Tymon looked better playing more centrally. We will have to see how he develops, like all players needs a bit of time, he's still relatively young and can develop his game.
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Oct 23, 2020 10:05:21 GMT
Still young, needs games.
We're forever wishing we'd bring players through but if they don't hit the ground running we're looking to replace them after 3 or 4 games.
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Tymon
Oct 23, 2020 10:08:57 GMT
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Post by Gary Hackett on Oct 23, 2020 10:08:57 GMT
If Clucas is still injured (which he probably will be according to the local media) then I'd be tempted to move Tymon into central midfield where he played very well the other week. Hopefully McClean will be fit and able to take on the role of left wing back. Yeah definitely, he looks a different player in the middle and I'm not convinced he'll cut it at this level out wide.
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Tymon
Oct 23, 2020 10:09:59 GMT
Post by somersetstokie on Oct 23, 2020 10:09:59 GMT
"Loan him out to a Greek club" " Tymon of Athens"Well, I do think he has a tendancy to give things away.
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Post by J-Roar on Oct 23, 2020 10:15:30 GMT
Loan him out to a Greek club "Tymon of Athens" I'll get me coat Comedy's all in the tymon
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Tymon
Oct 23, 2020 10:19:22 GMT
Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Oct 23, 2020 10:19:22 GMT
He offered very little the other night. MON more likely to persevere with Thompson in central midfield, as much for his left foot and the balance he brings.
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Post by chiswickpotter on Oct 23, 2020 10:25:49 GMT
He is not a wingback that’s is clear. Not good when pressed and can’t beat a man from a standing start despite his pace. Much better at left mid where he has space to run into and revives the ball while moving. McClean is not a wing back either but slightly more effective.
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Tymon
Oct 23, 2020 10:26:33 GMT
Post by dirtygary69 on Oct 23, 2020 10:26:33 GMT
He seems to let his head go down easily, which may just be an experience thing and his control lets him down too often as well. However, he does have pace and can put a decent ball in. For a player who I thought was a LB/LWB he doesn't look as comfortable there as he does centrally. Certainly worth persevering with, but not sure I'd be starting him for much longer if he carries on like he has been. Thought he was poor on Wednesday.
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Tymon
Oct 23, 2020 10:33:22 GMT
Post by lancer on Oct 23, 2020 10:33:22 GMT
Really hope McLean starts. With McLean, every time he gets the ball, he wants to move forward. True some of his forward moves doesn't come off, but it's not for want of trying, and it certainly beats the tippy tappy, criss cross backward stuff we play that allows the opposition defence to get back before we try to get into the last third of the pitch. It annoys me to see so much pace in the side now, without seeing it used to attack. Listening to the games now on Radio Stoke- aided by the most negative commentating team on radio, including Nigel Johnson-is bloody hard work.
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Tymon
Oct 23, 2020 11:06:17 GMT
Post by Miles Offside on Oct 23, 2020 11:06:17 GMT
Tymon doesn't look quite ready yet.
I'd have Fox at LB in a back four and McClean on the left of midfield.
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Tymon
Oct 23, 2020 12:56:47 GMT
Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2020 12:56:47 GMT
Would leave him out at the weekend as not been very good at all of late. He's played 5 league games this season, two of which were as late sub, So if out of 3 games you claim he's "not been very good at all of late" you're speaking from a very limited basis. Why not simply state that you don't like the player, One of our problems is that we've been very eager to dismiss young players, not allowing them to find their feet and creating a fuss if they make a simple mistake. Tymon especially has had to fight against such prejudice. It's to his credit . and O'Neill for backing him -that he was all but gone but has fought his way back to have a number of supporters saying he's been one of our best players this season.
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Post by spitthedog on Oct 23, 2020 13:16:38 GMT
Would leave him out at the weekend as not been very good at all of late. He's played 5 league games this season, two of which were as late sub, So if out of 3 games you claim he's "not been very good at all of late" you're speaking from a very limited basis. Why not simply state that you don't like the player, One of our problems is that we've been very eager to dismiss young players, not allowing them to find their feet and creating a fuss if they make a simple mistake. Tymon especially has had to fight against such prejudice. It's to his credit . and O'Neill for backing him -that he was all but gone but has fought his way back to have a number of supporters saying he's been one of our best players this season. Agreed If we are going to invest in youth as part of our future we have to give them playing time to develop, and monitor as it goes, these youngsters (Campbell, Collins, Souttar etc) are not going to be amazing every week. They are learning. We have to be very realistic about their progress. These players have done really well so faR, in fact they have over achieved if anything I would say, it's a tough league and they will have bad days, but there has been enough there to see potential with all of them. Campbell is an exceptional finisher but still gets stick on here. Let's face it, the more experienced players are not great every week either.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2020 14:06:53 GMT
Would leave him out at the weekend as not been very good at all of late. He's played 5 league games this season, two of which were as late sub, So if out of 3 games you claim he's "not been very good at all of late" you're speaking from a very limited basis. Why not simply state that you don't like the player, One of our problems is that we've been very eager to dismiss young players, not allowing them to find their feet and creating a fuss if they make a simple mistake. Tymon especially has had to fight against such prejudice. It's to his credit . and O'Neill for backing him -that he was all but gone but has fought his way back to have a number of supporters saying he's been one of our best players this season. In truth, Stoke fans dislike any player that isn’t playing fantastic all game, every game. It’s quite possible that all fans do this, or at least, that there are sections of support in all clubs that do this. I don’t think Tymon has played badly, I don’t think he has played particularly well either. If it’s a 3-5-2 he should be first choice, with McClean and Fox challenging. In a 4-4-2/4-3-3 he is likely going to be second choice in two spots until he shines enough in either to displace more seasoned pros.
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Post by mrcoke on Oct 23, 2020 14:35:25 GMT
He needs to be managed carefully. He was outstanding as a youngster playing for England at 2 levels and in the Premier League at a young age. Then he came to a struggling club, with a rotten dressing room by many accounts, and rotating management. Surprise, surprise his form went to pot. But he has come back and been a revelation. He is still young and going to struggle at times, like he did Wednesday, without Clucus. I thought Soutter also let a few mistakes creep into his game. Tymon should not be over-worked but neither is he going to get better siting on the bench. It is up to MO'N to determine when it is right for him to play and when he should be rested and kept hungry.
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Post by FullerMagic on Oct 23, 2020 14:37:42 GMT
When he was asked about possible rotation in a 3 game week, especially after playing with 10 in midweek, he immediately talked about the demands the system places on the wing-backs.
So wouldn't be surprised if he's on the bench tomorrow, with McClean playing if fit.
If we had another option on the right, we could speculate about some rotation there too!
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Tymon
Oct 23, 2020 14:40:44 GMT
Post by spitthedog on Oct 23, 2020 14:40:44 GMT
When he was asked about possible rotation in a 3 game week, especially after playing with 10 in midweek, he immediately talked about the demands the system places on the wing-backs. So wouldn't be surprised if he's on the bench tomorrow, with McClean playing if fit. If we had another option on the right, we could speculate about some rotation there too! I wish!....badly need more options on the right side ...that's my biggest concern tbh
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 23, 2020 14:41:37 GMT
I think he's been entirely steady which is fine.
But I'm still not convinced he's a wing back. I still want to see him on the wing or in midfield.
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Post by femark on Oct 23, 2020 14:50:41 GMT
We need to persevere if we want to bring him on as a player. Dropping him after one bad game is not going to help his confidence.
There is definitely a good footballer in there and with a good run of games I think we'll see him improve.
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Tymon
Oct 23, 2020 14:57:29 GMT
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Post by lordb on Oct 23, 2020 14:57:29 GMT
Tymon doesn't look quite ready yet. I'd have Fox at LB in a back four and McClean on the left of midfield. Is Fox fit?
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Tymon
Oct 23, 2020 15:04:28 GMT
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Oct 23, 2020 15:04:28 GMT
Tymon doesn't look quite ready yet. I'd have Fox at LB in a back four and McClean on the left of midfield. Is Fox fit? Think so. Clucas and Shawcross out
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Tymon
Oct 23, 2020 16:00:54 GMT
Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2020 16:00:54 GMT
He needs to be managed carefully. He was outstanding as a youngster playing for England at 2 levels and in the Premier League at a young age. Then he came to a struggling club, with a rotten dressing room by many accounts, and rotating management. Surprise, surprise his form went to pot. But he has come back and been a revelation. He is still young and going to struggle at times, like he did Wednesday, without Clucus. I thought Soutter also let a few mistakes creep into his game. Tymon should not be over-worked but neither is he going to get better siting on the bench. It is up to MO'N to determine when it is right for him to play and when he should be rested and kept hungry. i agree re Tymon but surely if a player hasn't played well for a couple or more games then perhaps he should be possibly dropped to the bench and his place shouldn't be a gimme. He's been a weak link lately after some good performances
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Tymon
Oct 23, 2020 16:07:09 GMT
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Post by christhepotter on Oct 23, 2020 16:07:09 GMT
Still young, needs games. We're forever wishing we'd bring players through but if they don't hit the ground running we're looking to replace them after 3 or 4 games. I don’t get this he needs games bull shit He needs be playing well to get in the team , we aren’t good enough be carrying players in games we need everyone playing good
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