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Post by cobhamstokey on Oct 22, 2020 9:02:16 GMT
Could be a tough game. They won well last night with Toney bagging another pair.
Not sure what the fitness situation is but I’d go with
Davies
Smith Baath Soutter Fox
OB Obi
Campbell Powell Brown
Fletcher
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2020 9:47:32 GMT
Could be a tough game. They won well last night with Toney bagging another pair. Not sure what the fitness situation is but I’d go with Davies Smith Baath Soutter Fox OB Obi Campbell Powell Brown Fletcher 5 in 5 for Toney after replacing Watkins for a comparative pittance. Makes you wonder how they keep on doing it.
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Post by maninasuitcase on Oct 22, 2020 9:58:41 GMT
Could be a tough game. They won well last night with Toney bagging another pair. Not sure what the fitness situation is but I’d go with Davies Smith Baath Soutter Fox OB Obi Campbell Powell Brown Fletcher 5 in 5 for Toney after replacing Watkins for a comparative pittance. Makes you wonder how they keep on doing it. Intelligent management from top to bottom, by doing their homework and applying due diligence. Sadly we seem to have a few cogs missing from that mechanism.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 22, 2020 10:02:23 GMT
Could be a tough game. They won well last night with Toney bagging another pair. Not sure what the fitness situation is but I’d go with Davies Smith Baath Soutter Fox OB Obi Campbell Powell Brown Fletcher I can't see him suddenly changing to 4 at the back against a team doning well and have a goal threat.
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Post by realstokebloke on Oct 22, 2020 10:04:10 GMT
Could be a tough game. They won well last night with Toney bagging another pair. Not sure what the fitness situation is but I’d go with Davies Smith Baath Soutter Fox OB Obi Campbell Powell Brown Fletcher 5 in 5 for Toney after replacing Watkins for a comparative pittance. Makes you wonder how they keep on doing it. It actually makes me wonder why we aren't doing it tbh looker.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Oct 22, 2020 10:21:14 GMT
Is the kind of game might that suit us as they'll attack us and leave gaps for the counter.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 22, 2020 10:23:35 GMT
Is the kind of game might that suit us as they'll attack us and leave gaps for the counter. Barnsley attacked us last night and we did naff all (relatively) with it.
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Post by thevoid on Oct 22, 2020 10:27:47 GMT
I'd have loved Toney here. But that's what Brentford do- get young players on the way up, not past-its on the way down. That's why they play with pace and score regularly and we don't. Surely we'd pay less in wages for the likes of Toney than some 'name' after a final payday.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2020 10:33:35 GMT
I'd have loved Toney here. But that's what Brentford do- get young players on the way up, not past-its on the way down. That's why they play with pace and score regularly and we don't. Surely we'd pay less in wages for the likes of Toney than some 'name' after a final payday. We've done that with Thompson and TOB though and one is being annihilated because he hasn't hit the ground running and the other has been questioned. Not every signing they make comes in and hits the ground running. They signed two lads from Oxford last year, who have both been in and out of the side. They integrate all of their signings into a more settled system yet ours are fleeting and they look like a fish out of water.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Oct 22, 2020 10:34:14 GMT
Is the kind of game might that suit us as they'll attack us and leave gaps for the counter. Barnsley attacked us last night and we did naff all (relatively) with it. They were happy not to have the ball though, and we didn't know what to do with it. They were also good at getting bodies back in numbers as soon as they lost possession. I suspect Brentford might give us a bit more space.
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Post by xchpotter on Oct 22, 2020 10:35:46 GMT
5 in 5 for Toney after replacing Watkins for a comparative pittance. Makes you wonder how they keep on doing it. Intelligent management from top to bottom, by doing their homework and applying due diligence. Sadly we seem to have a few all cogs missing from that mechanism. Just adjusted it a little.😉
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 22, 2020 10:36:57 GMT
I'd have loved Toney here. But that's what Brentford do- get young players on the way up, not past-its on the way down. That's why they play with pace and score regularly and we don't. Surely we'd pay less in wages for the likes of Toney than some 'name' after a final payday. We've done that with Thompson and TOB though and one is being annihilated because he hasn't hit the ground running and the other has been questioned. Not every signing they make comes in and hits the ground running. They signed two lads from Oxford last year, who have both been in and out of the side. They integrate all of their signings into a more settled system yet ours are fleeting and they look like a fish out of water. I think TOB and Thompson have been like chalk and cheese tbh. TOB looks like he could grace the Premier League if everything goes right. Thompson does nothing. What sort of a player even is he? He doesn't protect the back 4, he doesn't really attack, he's played 1 through ball and people are dining out on that like when Geoff Cameron did 1 good cross against Newcastle. He's 23 too, 24 in Jan. He should have a lot more about him and I wouldn't class him as a young player tbh.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 22, 2020 11:01:08 GMT
1st goal is massive in this game in my opinion and in every home game we’ve gone behind so far
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Post by walrus on Oct 22, 2020 11:03:18 GMT
Could be a tough game. They won well last night with Toney bagging another pair. Not sure what the fitness situation is but I’d go with Davies Smith Baath Soutter Fox OB Obi Campbell Powell Brown Fletcher 5 in 5 for Toney after replacing Watkins for a comparative pittance. Makes you wonder how they keep on doing it. I keep seeing these comments about Toney at Brentford with people acting like Brentford have some incredible secret to scouting players. While it’s certainly true that they’ve plucked a few unknown gems from overseas, Toney’s situation is different. He scored 24 goals from 32 games in League One last season and they’ve thrown him into a side with bags of creative talent. There’s no secret here. It’s a proven finisher on the end of quality service. Simple as that.
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Post by lordb on Oct 22, 2020 11:06:54 GMT
fancy a home win myself
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Post by followyoudown on Oct 22, 2020 11:17:18 GMT
5 in 5 for Toney after replacing Watkins for a comparative pittance. Makes you wonder how they keep on doing it. I keep seeing these comments about Toney at Brentford with people acting like Brentford have some incredible secret to scouting players. While it’s certainly true that they’ve plucked a few unknown gems from overseas, Toney’s situation is different. He scored 24 goals from 32 games in League One last season and they’ve thrown him into a side with bags of creative talent. There’s no secret here. It’s a proven finisher on the end of quality service. Simple as that. Yes there does seem urban myths about brentfords recruitment, a bit like crewes fabled conveyor belt of talent which was always 60%+ cast offs from utd, man city, liverpool etc. That said what they do seem to do well is identify targets 2 or 3 transfer windows in advance so they knew Watkins and Benrama would likely leave this summer, our recruitment has too often seemed like targets are identified on the hoof.
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Post by xchpotter on Oct 22, 2020 11:17:19 GMT
Expecting the usual half arsed, backward passing, slow tempo shite to be honest before the team wakes up when it’s too late.
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Post by JoeinOz on Oct 22, 2020 11:18:54 GMT
Ferfuxache, just bloody win
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Post by nott1 on Oct 22, 2020 11:26:16 GMT
I'm already preparing to make the rear of the settee comfy for hiding behind!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2020 11:32:07 GMT
5 in 5 for Toney after replacing Watkins for a comparative pittance. Makes you wonder how they keep on doing it. I keep seeing these comments about Toney at Brentford with people acting like Brentford have some incredible secret to scouting players. While it’s certainly true that they’ve plucked a few unknown gems from overseas, Toney’s situation is different. He scored 24 goals from 32 games in League One last season and they’ve thrown him into a side with bags of creative talent. There’s no secret here. It’s a proven finisher on the end of quality service. Simple as that. They do have an incredible secret to scouting players and it's served them very well since 2012. I said '...how they keep ON doing it' You make it sound so easy to slot in a player into a creative team and knock off 20 goals a season. Yeah, it's so simple that our club hasn't had one of those since 2000 with Peter Thorne. Brentford have done it from League One, 8 years ago and have made around 84M in profit in the process - all on sub 10k crowds in a city packed with top PL clubs with far greater resources. We went up to the PL, spent hundreds of millions, created a team that defends for it's lives at home in the Championship and nearly ended up in league one. Yeah, dead easy!
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Post by walrus on Oct 22, 2020 12:08:33 GMT
I keep seeing these comments about Toney at Brentford with people acting like Brentford have some incredible secret to scouting players. While it’s certainly true that they’ve plucked a few unknown gems from overseas, Toney’s situation is different. He scored 24 goals from 32 games in League One last season and they’ve thrown him into a side with bags of creative talent. There’s no secret here. It’s a proven finisher on the end of quality service. Simple as that. They do have an incredible secret to scouting players and it's served them very well since 2012. I said '...how they keep ON doing it' You make it sound so easy to slot in a player into a creative team and knock off 20 goals a season. Yeah, it's so simple that our club hasn't had one of those since 2000 with Peter Thorne. Brentford have done it from League One, 8 years ago and have made around 84M in profit in the process - all on sub 10k crowds in a city packed with top PL clubs with far greater resources. We went up to the PL, spent hundreds of millions, created a team that defends for it's lives at home in the Championship and nearly ended up in league one. Yeah, dead easy! That’s a largely valid rebuttal of my point. I suppose what I’m really driving at is the hard part of what Brentford have done is the years of work to build the whole squad they have, which is a very good squad at Championship level, not adding Toney to it. I’m reading a lot of comments that imply Toney is some unknown that Brentford have plucked from obscurity, and I think they’re pretty lazy and dismissive of his pedigree as someone who’s played in the Premier League for Newcastle, scored a shedload of goals in League One, and cost Brentford £10 million.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2020 12:13:35 GMT
They do have an incredible secret to scouting players and it's served them very well since 2012. I said '...how they keep ON doing it' You make it sound so easy to slot in a player into a creative team and knock off 20 goals a season. Yeah, it's so simple that our club hasn't had one of those since 2000 with Peter Thorne. Brentford have done it from League One, 8 years ago and have made around 84M in profit in the process - all on sub 10k crowds in a city packed with top PL clubs with far greater resources. We went up to the PL, spent hundreds of millions, created a team that defends for it's lives at home in the Championship and nearly ended up in league one. Yeah, dead easy! That’s a largely valid rebuttal of my point. I suppose what I’m really driving at is the hard part of what Brentford have done is the years of work to build the whole squad they have, which is a very good squad at Championship level, not adding Toney to it. I’m reading a lot of comments that imply Toney is some unknown that Brentford have plucked from obscurity, and I think they’re pretty lazy and dismissive of his pedigree as someone who’s played in the Premier League for Newcastle, scored a shedload of goals in League One, and cost Brentford £10 million. Yes, obviously that is nonsense and last season they signed Pontus Jansson from Leeds - who was one of their leading players. They can largely do that now because of the hard work they've put into the system they have, and can start to shift from signing all unknowns to some unknowns with a few statistically targeted known players. Ultimately their system is about signing players under or just below value, at the right age with the right profile - slotting them into their well honed system, improving them and selling them on for a huge profit. They just do it very differently with statistics. Toney, albeit an expensive buy at 10M, I dare say will go for treble that in the future. It's certainly anything but easy though and even their technical people talk about algorithms that try and beat the randomness of football. I'll be polite to our club and scratch the surface (more for my own sanity) and say 'we have a bit to go to get anywhere near that level of expertise' Jordan Thompson and Tashan Oakley-Boothe are a decent start though and we must follow that up with more over the coming windows.
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Post by scfcno1fan on Oct 22, 2020 12:22:54 GMT
So not confident for this one.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2020 12:37:33 GMT
We've done that with Thompson and TOB though and one is being annihilated because he hasn't hit the ground running and the other has been questioned. Not every signing they make comes in and hits the ground running. They signed two lads from Oxford last year, who have both been in and out of the side. They integrate all of their signings into a more settled system yet ours are fleeting and they look like a fish out of water. I think TOB and Thompson have been like chalk and cheese tbh. TOB looks like he could grace the Premier League if everything goes right. Thompson does nothing. What sort of a player even is he? He doesn't protect the back 4, he doesn't really attack, he's played 1 through ball and people are dining out on that like when Geoff Cameron did 1 good cross against Newcastle. He's 23 too, 24 in Jan. He should have a lot more about him and I wouldn't class him as a young player tbh. Can't disagree with that, really. I called him a 'nothing' midfielder yesterday...I can't fathom him. He was "in and out" at Blackpool, not so long ago. There you go. Maybe it's a bit soon to judge, but I just don't see it. He bossed it vs. Gillingham, in the Cup, but with all due respect....
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Post by jezzascfc on Oct 22, 2020 12:50:40 GMT
Could be a tough game. They won well last night with Toney bagging another pair. Not sure what the fitness situation is but I’d go with Davies Smith Baath Soutter Fox OB Obi Campbell Powell Brown Fletcher I'd play Clucas for TOB and McClean for Brown, if fit, but otherwise we're on the same page. We will keep the 3 at the back, I bet, as MON has hung his hat on it. If he does, then we need wide men in the 3 who are mobile and comfortable being drawn out wide, and wing backs who play far higher up the pitch, at least one of the central 2 who can get forward (not 2 sitters) and Powell behind the front 2. So, using MON's likely formation: Davies Smith (Collins if red rescinded) Souttar Fox/Lindsay Brown Mikel Clucas/TOB McClean/Tymon Powell Fletcher Campbell
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Post by billybee on Oct 22, 2020 12:53:05 GMT
Should be a tight game Saturday would like to say I’m looking forward to it but sitting at home watching on ifollow is a crap alternative to going to the game but that’s the way it is for us all just now.For those saying Toney’s fee is 10 mill it was 5.5 mill + add ons up to 10 mill which will includes promotion to PL and 2nd season PL which is more than self financed.Was hardly a master plan signing him after his goal scoring record last season and can’t believe lower PL teams didn’t take a punt.Some on this thread have correctly pointed out we don’t always buy and sell for profit there are many examples where it doesn’t work out but the ones we have got right have netted massive profits.We buy potential because basically that’s all we can afford although we do go for experience with the likes of Pontus Jansson who we got from the champions of Europe and who will have zero sell on profit but it was felt he would help toughen us up and give leadership to our young squad.Looks like he will be out for the game Saturday due to injury picked up last night which is no light loss as he’s been poor this season.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 22, 2020 12:54:43 GMT
I think TOB and Thompson have been like chalk and cheese tbh. TOB looks like he could grace the Premier League if everything goes right. Thompson does nothing. What sort of a player even is he? He doesn't protect the back 4, he doesn't really attack, he's played 1 through ball and people are dining out on that like when Geoff Cameron did 1 good cross against Newcastle. He's 23 too, 24 in Jan. He should have a lot more about him and I wouldn't class him as a young player tbh. Can't disagree with that, really. I called him a 'nothing' midfielder yesterday...I can't fathom him. He was "in and out" at Blackpool, not so long ago. There you go. Maybe it's a bit soon to judge, but I just don't see it. He bossed it vs. Gillingham, in the Cup, but with all due respect.... That’s where I am with him. I just want to see more from him. Because at present I’d rather see Cousins.
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Post by tosh on Oct 22, 2020 12:56:06 GMT
5 in 5 for Toney after replacing Watkins for a comparative pittance. Makes you wonder how they keep on doing it. Intelligent management from top to bottom, by doing their homework and applying due diligence. Sadly we seem to have a few cogs missing from that mechanism. I think it’s actually seven goals in last four games foe Toney!
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Post by Fred Merger on Oct 22, 2020 13:04:30 GMT
Think he might go with
Davies
Batth Souttar Chester
Smith Mikel Clucas Powell McClean
Campbell Fletcher
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Post by PotterLog on Oct 22, 2020 13:49:05 GMT
I think TOB and Thompson have been like chalk and cheese tbh. TOB looks like he could grace the Premier League if everything goes right. Thompson does nothing. What sort of a player even is he? He doesn't protect the back 4, he doesn't really attack, he's played 1 through ball and people are dining out on that like when Geoff Cameron did 1 good cross against Newcastle. He's 23 too, 24 in Jan. He should have a lot more about him and I wouldn't class him as a young player tbh. Can't disagree with that, really. I called him a 'nothing' midfielder yesterday...I can't fathom him. He was "in and out" at Blackpool, not so long ago. There you go. Maybe it's a bit soon to judge, but I just don't see it. He bossed it vs. Gillingham, in the Cup, but with all due respect.... I thought he was good against Villa
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