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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2020 14:29:23 GMT
So why didn’t Coote tell Oliver to look at his monitor 🤔 Not a clue Didn't he say he was concentrating on the offside decision and never even checked the foul.
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Post by madnellie on Oct 19, 2020 14:29:38 GMT
Yes but at the time it was seen in the game the seriousness of the injury wasn't known. If it had been a centre half he would have been off. I don't see why the rule should be different for gk's. That challenge could have snapped his leg in half and ended his career. It isn't even as if it's a first time for Pickford and I can''t think of any other gk I've seen do similar. If he keeps getting away with it he' ll never change and will cause another serious injury. We continually here correctly these days that footballers need to take the well being of opponents into account when challenging them. In what way is Pickford doing that? The seriousness of the injury should have nothing to do with it. I still don't think the Shawcross tackle was worthy of a red despite it snapping his shin in two. He's not really got away with it has he? There's been so much analysis of this one incident . Totally agree the seriousness of the injury shouldn't matter. Ryan's was never a red for me either, it was just a 50-50 challenge that went wrong. I think Pickford's was much worse than Ryan's, it was completely out of control and reckless. While I don't think Pickford meant to crock VVD, he certainly didn't seem to care either way. Disclaimer: I think VVD is brill and I can't abide Pickford, so I may be a little bit biased...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2020 14:30:25 GMT
Is Pickford not being banned bad news for opposition teams though ?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 19, 2020 14:32:36 GMT
The seriousness of the injury should have nothing to do with it. I still don't think the Shawcross tackle was worthy of a red despite it snapping his shin in two. He's not really got away with it has he? There's been so much analysis of this one incident . Totally agree the seriousness of the injury shouldn't matter. Ryan's was never a red for me either, it was just a 50-50 challenge that went wrong. I think Pickford's was much worse than Ryan's, it was completely out of control and reckless. While I don't think Pickford meant to crock VVD, he certainly didn't seem to care either way. Disclaimer: I think VVD is brill and I can't abide Pickford, so I may be a little bit biased... I'm not saying Pickford's wasn't a red, he should have been sent off once VAR checked. But I can see why the ref didn't do it in real time because when I first saw it from the normal camera angle on MOTD despite seeing the angle from the back on Twitter earlier in the day, it didn't look like that bad. Tbh I wouldn't have been arsed about VVD there either if I was Pickford He got away with one but his card will have been marked.
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Post by madnellie on Oct 19, 2020 14:34:54 GMT
Can't agree was wild and dangerous and totally out of control. Nice to see Dunk apologise to the opponent on a different note for his red today something you don't see very often. He realised what he did. Arsenal fans would have said the same 10 years ago. Pickford has burst out, spread himself and absolutely clobbered VVD. It was an act of shit goalkeeping more than a malicious tackle, and it's a shame that it's resulted in the injury that it has. For me though, Ryan's was a 50-50 that went bad. I think this is a much worse challenge, Pickford goes steaming in knee high with both legs. Doesn't matter that he's a goalkeeper, you still can't do that.
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Post by heworksardtho on Oct 19, 2020 14:35:42 GMT
Totally agree the seriousness of the injury shouldn't matter. Ryan's was never a red for me either, it was just a 50-50 challenge that went wrong. I think Pickford's was much worse than Ryan's, it was completely out of control and reckless. While I don't think Pickford meant to crock VVD, he certainly didn't seem to care either way. Disclaimer: I think VVD is brill and I can't abide Pickford, so I may be a little bit biased... I'm not saying Pickford's wasn't a red, he should have been sent off once VAR checked. But I can see why the ref didn't do it in real time because when I first saw it from the normal camera angle on MOTD despite seeing the angle from the back on Twitter earlier in the day, it didn't look like that bad. Tbh I wouldn't have been arsed about VVD there either if I was Pickford He got away with one but his card will have been marked. Bayern ............should of gone to Specsavers 🎣😎
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Post by spitthedog on Oct 19, 2020 14:36:12 GMT
Why are Stoke fans bothered with this? Who gives a flying fuck?!?!?!!? This is a football related thread about VAR and understanding the rules of the game, which a lot of Stoke fans are seemingly interested in. I don't see the problem in that. Personally I think the ref and the VAR crew should be dropped, they clearly have not done their job. The argument the ref was concentrating on the offside is pathetic because the injury happened to the player who was in the offside position. When you see some of the fouls that are punished by red card it is beggars belief.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 19, 2020 14:36:49 GMT
I'm not saying Pickford's wasn't a red, he should have been sent off once VAR checked. But I can see why the ref didn't do it in real time because when I first saw it from the normal camera angle on MOTD despite seeing the angle from the back on Twitter earlier in the day, it didn't look like that bad. Tbh I wouldn't have been arsed about VVD there either if I was Pickford He got away with one but his card will have been marked. Bayern ............should of gone to Specsavers 🎣😎 My eyes are wank
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Post by madnellie on Oct 19, 2020 14:40:36 GMT
Totally agree the seriousness of the injury shouldn't matter. Ryan's was never a red for me either, it was just a 50-50 challenge that went wrong. I think Pickford's was much worse than Ryan's, it was completely out of control and reckless. While I don't think Pickford meant to crock VVD, he certainly didn't seem to care either way. Disclaimer: I think VVD is brill and I can't abide Pickford, so I may be a little bit biased... I'm not saying Pickford's wasn't a red, he should have been sent off once VAR checked. But I can see why the ref didn't do it in real time because when I first saw it from the normal camera angle on MOTD despite seeing the angle from the back on Twitter earlier in the day, it didn't look like that bad. Tbh I wouldn't have been arsed about VVD there either if I was Pickford He got away with one but his card will have been marked. Absolutely. Can't blame the ref for missing it at full speed, but that's the exact reason we have VAR. Or at least it's supposed to be. It basically comes down to the incompetence of Coote the VAR ref then, doesn't it? Haha remind me never to play 5 a side with you in the opposition goal
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Post by jarhead on Oct 19, 2020 14:41:55 GMT
In real time from the first angle it didn’t look much of a tackle. It’s only that angle behind the goal it looks the full on horror it is. It’s exactly the sort of thing it should be used for. It didn’t look a red in real time imo but it clearly is. So why didn’t Coote tell Oliver to look at his monitor 🤔 Exactly! Ridiculous
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Post by madnellie on Oct 19, 2020 14:43:30 GMT
Why are Stoke fans bothered with this? Who gives a flying fuck?!?!?!!? What can I say, I love dykes Van Dijk.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 19, 2020 14:53:32 GMT
I'm not saying Pickford's wasn't a red, he should have been sent off once VAR checked. But I can see why the ref didn't do it in real time because when I first saw it from the normal camera angle on MOTD despite seeing the angle from the back on Twitter earlier in the day, it didn't look like that bad. Tbh I wouldn't have been arsed about VVD there either if I was Pickford He got away with one but his card will have been marked. Absolutely. Can't blame the ref for missing it at full speed, but that's the exact reason we have VAR. Or at least it's supposed to be. It basically comes down to the incompetence of Coote the VAR ref then, doesn't it? Haha remind me never to play 5 a side with you in the opposition goal Trust me, you'd me in the opposition goal!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2020 14:53:40 GMT
Arsenal fans would have said the same 10 years ago. Pickford has burst out, spread himself and absolutely clobbered VVD. It was an act of shit goalkeeping more than a malicious tackle, and it's a shame that it's resulted in the injury that it has. For me though, Ryan's was a 50-50 that went bad. I think this is a much worse challenge, Pickford goes steaming in knee high with both legs. Doesn't matter that he's a goalkeeper, you still can't do that. I remember Rory Delap saying that the ref wasn't even going to book him as Shawcross was being held and until he saw the nature of the injury he had to red card him. None of them compare to the one on Delap for me which i was unfortunate enough to be about 20 feet away from....can still hear it . Was one on Joe Allen at OT which for me was as bad as many but thankfully no damage done.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2020 15:04:00 GMT
Why are Stoke fans bothered with this? Who gives a flying fuck?!?!?!!? What can I say, I love dykes Van Dijk. Because it's a massive story and football related. I know it's confusing Who gives a flying fuck?!?!?!!?Thousands of people it seems
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Post by heworksardtho on Oct 19, 2020 15:09:34 GMT
Bayern ............should of gone to Specsavers 🎣😎 My eyes are wank 👁👁 had a cataract op last Wednesday and can see brilliant again , even the wife looks better looking 😂😂
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 19, 2020 15:11:17 GMT
My eyes are wank 👁👁 had a cataract op last Wednesday and can see brilliant again , even the wife looks better looking 😂😂 That's a bonus!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2020 15:11:37 GMT
Why are Stoke fans bothered with this? Who gives a flying fuck?!?!?!!? What can I say, I love dykes Van Dijk. Me too certainly my favourite kind of ditches or embankments to prevent flooding from the sea
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Post by J-Roar on Oct 19, 2020 15:13:18 GMT
Not really unless the rules have changed? The ref presumably saw it, VAR saw it and if it's seen and deemed not worthy of being dealt with then it can't be done retrospectively. This was always going to be the outcome (unless the rules have changed). Except apparently the FA can overrule in exceptional circumstances. Which begs the question if a reckless illegal tackle putting an opponent out of the game for 8 months isn't considered exceptional what is? Producing a knife perhaps? Unless the player plays for England. Then they spend Sunday trying to come up with a plausible excuse. And failing. If we have to go down the VAR route then it should be whiter than white - either let the supporters listen to the dialogue or issue transcripts of the conversations between the referee and the VAR operator. They'd never do that though because it's a murky world involving cover up after cover up.
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Post by madnellie on Oct 19, 2020 15:15:12 GMT
What can I say, I love dykes Van Dijk. Me too certainly my favourite kind of ditches or embankments to prevent flooding from the sea Vital. I don't know where we'd be without them.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Oct 19, 2020 15:53:55 GMT
Yes but at the time it was seen in the game the seriousness of the injury wasn't known. If it had been a centre half he would have been off. I don't see why the rule should be different for gk's. That challenge could have snapped his leg in half and ended his career. It isn't even as if it's a first time for Pickford and I can''t think of any other gk I've seen do similar. If he keeps getting away with it he' ll never change and will cause another serious injury. We continually here correctly these days that footballers need to take the well being of opponents into account when challenging them. In what way is Pickford doing that? The seriousness of the injury should have nothing to do with it. I still don't think the Shawcross tackle was worthy of a red despite it snapping his shin in two. He's not really got away with it has he? There's been so much analysis of this one incident . First, I agree with you that the seriousness of the injury should not affect the punishment - it is the inherently dangerous nature of Pickford's reckless tackle which should determine the punishment. Second - he HAS got away with it! Of course most observers think that it was bad tackle justifying a red. But he didn't get a red so neither he nor his club have been punished. If I committed GBH in the street and the police decided to take no action - I would think I had got away with it!
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Post by mattador78 on Oct 19, 2020 15:55:30 GMT
Pickford was always going get protection as he was making himself big and coming out stupidly like most goalkeepers do and rarely get punished for. It wasn’t violent conduct so can’t be retrospectively looked at. And it would set a dangerous precedent if games were refereed the day after as VAR is designed to avoid that.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 19, 2020 16:05:01 GMT
The seriousness of the injury should have nothing to do with it. I still don't think the Shawcross tackle was worthy of a red despite it snapping his shin in two. He's not really got away with it has he? There's been so much analysis of this one incident . First, I agree with you that the seriousness of the injury should not affect the punishment - it is the inherently dangerous nature of Pickford's reckless tackle which should determine the punishment. Second - he HAS got away with it! Of course most observers think that it was bad tackle justifying a red. But he didn't get a red so neither he nor his club have been punished. If I committed GBH in the street and the police decided to take no action - I would think I had got away with it! I have no doubt that he will be harshly treated in the coming weeks with a penalty/card.
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Post by blackpoolred on Oct 19, 2020 16:05:38 GMT
How can the ref not see that. You get the Preston guy getting sent off against us for something the ref could see but nobody else could and Hong Kong Phooey Pickford doing some sort of Taekwondo move and getting off without even a yellow.
Football is feckin trash and getting worse by the day
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Post by FullerMagic on Oct 19, 2020 16:06:01 GMT
Arsenal fans droning on and on about Shawcross today. They've never grasped why Ramsey was booed
Some absolute garbage being tweeted about how bad the Shawcross tackle actually was too. I swear most people who claim it was a shocker have never seen it
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Post by Pugsley on Oct 19, 2020 16:16:26 GMT
What can I say, I love dykes Van Dijk. Because it's a massive story and football related. I know it's confusing Who gives a flying fuck?!?!?!!?Thousands of people it seems If it wasn't Pickford nobody would be interested. It's an opportunity to lay into an England footballer.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2020 17:05:36 GMT
It's not the result (out for 8 months - which by the way is not a fact at this point, but just a worst case scenario) which can be the exceptional circumstance. If it was then sentiment would rule and that can lead to dangerous precedents. Pickford was clumsy and should have been censored, but it's not as if he decided he was going to make sure the Dutchman wouldn't play again. Well he's booked in for an anc procedure on 31 October so difficult to see him out for anything less than 8 months. I'm sure very few players actually intend to put a fellow professional out of the game but the key thing these days is that accidental or not if you fly in both feet off the ground knee high there is every chance of serious injury and therefore a straight red. No one can argue Pickford was thinking about the safety of his opponent. As I've said above it's not even as if it's a first time as Choupo Moting knows. Would you say Richarlison shouldn't have been sent of either because he was just a forward making a clumsy challenge? Luckily he didn't cause serious injury. Don't act stupid. I said Pickford should have been punished, so why would I think Richardlison shouldn't?
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Post by FranktheRabbit on Oct 19, 2020 17:55:10 GMT
Arsenal fans droning on and on about Shawcross today. They've never grasped why Ramsey was booed Some absolute garbage being tweeted about how bad the Shawcross tackle actually was too. I swear most people who claim it was a shocker have never seen it I was pissed off reading some if the tweets as well. Completely ignorant and clueless. His leg was 80% broke before Shawcross even made contact, he just helped it on its way. It was a hard tackle, but there was absolutely zero intent in it, he went in laces down and his reaction to it says it all. Some were bringing up what Kitson said about him gearing the lads up to play hard and that’s the reason it happened, bullshit, we were always hard in those days, it’s what we were about, but I can’t remember many legs being broken. Kitson is just a wet lettuce. Weak as piss, never would have fit in.
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Post by mattythestokie on Oct 19, 2020 18:10:26 GMT
Arsenal fans droning on and on about Shawcross today. They've never grasped why Ramsey was booed Some absolute garbage being tweeted about how bad the Shawcross tackle actually was too. I swear most people who claim it was a shocker have never seen it I quite like the fact we’re still in their heads. Rent free.
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Post by mattador78 on Oct 19, 2020 18:13:05 GMT
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Post by mattador78 on Oct 19, 2020 18:50:14 GMT
Arsenal fans droning on and on about Shawcross today. They've never grasped why Ramsey was booed Some absolute garbage being tweeted about how bad the Shawcross tackle actually was too. I swear most people who claim it was a shocker have never seen it I quite like the fact we’re still in their heads. Rent free. My boss told me he was on holiday in Majorca and went a bar watch a prem game last year Arsenal against somebody he can’t remember exactly who. Anyway he sat down at a table where there was a space got chatting to the people on it and the majority were arse fans, when they found out he was a stokie they all got up and left 😂😂
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