Fox!

[terrorofturfmoor]

Oct 4, 2020 16:12:30 GMT stokesaint1 said:

Bottom line is that we still haven't signed a decent left back AGAIN.

Difficult to say, seen as we haven't played with a formation that consists of a left-back yet!!!

[terrorofturfmoor]

Oct 4, 2020 16:14:18 GMT cobhamstokey said:

Biggest problem was creativity in the midfield.

I take it you mean LACK of it Cobham??? 😏

[rickyfullerbeer]

Absolute bargain basement stuff.

You can see why at the age of 26 he was a free agent.

[AlbertTatlock]

Thought he was good defensively today but he's not a CB we signed him as a LB FFS! We haven't had a chance to see him as a LB in a back 4 yet. He's definitely not a LWB same as Smith he's a RB not a fucking RWB!

Gouranga.

[march4]

Awful, awful, awful.

Must never play centre back again.

[pottersrule]

Oct 4, 2020 17:23:31 GMT christhepotter said:

Oct 4, 2020 17:19:22 GMT robwahlmann said:

Thought the defence all in all did very well today apart from the goal where Chester lost his man.

Souter could have done better as well for the goal

Why? He was marking Jutkiewicz!

[chayseeoatcake]

Average at best.

[crouchpotato1]

Another player for Stoke City judged after a handful of games

[GreaterGlasgowstokie]

He looks decent for me, not an attacking full back no, but solid at the back

[spitthedog]

Oct 4, 2020 19:21:15 GMT crouchpotato1 said:

Another player for Stoke City judged after a handful of games

Not really Ive seen him play at Wednesday a few times.

He was very unpopular there until last season, in fact a bit of a target for the boo boys after 2/3 years of mistake ridden performances. It was just last season when he put in a few consistent performances and turned it around it a bit.

Also saying someone looks poor is NOT the same thing as writing them off. He looks like he has forgotten what to do with a football every time he ventures into the opposing half, his distribution is and always has been very poor.

I think he has been poor in each of the games and I don't see a great amount of potential, that's my summary so far, and yes its early days. I'll be delighted if he proves me wrong.

I think BMI is a far better option though no where near the level we need if we are seriously looking at getting out of this league.

[Olgrligm]

Tommy Smith is pretty much as good as it gets in terms of a right-back in this division. He's fairly dependable and has a good delivery. You can see why he was such a key player in Huddersfield's promotion season. However, he's not really mobile enough to be considered a real marauding wing back.

Likewise, I'm sure that Fox is a perfectly steady, competent and unexciting full back, but it's hard to see how he's going to take on the role of a left wing back. There's no problem with him being a Championship version of Erik Pieters, but he's a strange signing if the manager intends to go down the wing back route.

[boskampsflaps]

Oct 4, 2020 18:28:43 GMT rickyfullerbeer said:

Absolute bargain basement stuff.

You can see why at the age of 26 he was a free agent.

I think they wanted him to stay.

[spitthedog]

Oct 4, 2020 19:53:51 GMT boskampsflaps said:

Oct 4, 2020 18:28:43 GMT rickyfullerbeer said:

Absolute bargain basement stuff.

You can see why at the age of 26 he was a free agent.

I think they wanted him to stay.

They did that is true. Gary Monk is/was a big fan and he had a decent season last year, but until then was thought of a liability.

[boskampsflaps]

Oct 4, 2020 20:04:06 GMT spitthedog said:

Oct 4, 2020 19:53:51 GMT boskampsflaps said:

I think they wanted him to stay.

They did that is true. Gary Monk is/was a big fan and he had a decent season last year, but until then was thought of a liability.

Fair enough, its a bit like judging Indi only when he plays left back, he's out of position and its pretty clear he's not feeling comfortable, hopefully he gets a chance in his proper position soon.

[spitthedog]

Oct 4, 2020 20:12:54 GMT boskampsflaps said:

Oct 4, 2020 20:04:06 GMT spitthedog said:

They did that is true. Gary Monk is/was a big fan and he had a decent season last year, but until then was thought of a liability.

Fair enough, its a bit like judging Indi only when he plays left back, he's out of position and its pretty clear he's not feeling comfortable, hopefully he gets a chance in his proper position soon.

Morgan Fox is a left back. OK, put it this way, left back has been his position throughout his footballing career to date.

[boskampsflaps]

Oct 4, 2020 20:15:23 GMT spitthedog said:

Oct 4, 2020 20:12:54 GMT boskampsflaps said:

Fair enough, its a bit like judging Indi only when he plays left back, he's out of position and its pretty clear he's not feeling comfortable, hopefully he gets a chance in his proper position soon.

Morgan Fox is a left back. OK, put it this way, left back has been his position throughout his footballing career to date.

I know and he's not been playing there, thats my point, he's out of position so its harsh to write off whithout him even playing there.

[spitthedog]

Oct 4, 2020 20:26:16 GMT boskampsflaps said:

Oct 4, 2020 20:15:23 GMT spitthedog said:

Morgan Fox is a left back. OK, put it this way, left back has been his position throughout his footballing career to date.

I know and he's not been playing there, thats my point, he's out of position so its harsh to write off whithout him even playing there.

Morgan Fox can only be a left back in a flat back four, nothing else. But when is that going to happen? He's a terrible option as a LWB as I think everyone realises.

My personal opinion, from what it is worth from watching him at Wednesday is that he's very average as a left back too. I dont see him as any improvement on BMI who has better all round defensive attributes.

So perhaps we just shouldn't expect too much.

[bayernoatcake]

Oct 4, 2020 19:21:15 GMT crouchpotato1 said:

Another player for Stoke City judged after a handful of games

So you’d have him in the side over Indi at centre back then?

Or as a wing back?

[spitthedog]

Oct 4, 2020 20:35:40 GMT bayernoatcake said:

Oct 4, 2020 19:21:15 GMT crouchpotato1 said:

Another player for Stoke City judged after a handful of games

So you’d have him in the side over Indi at centre back then?

Or as a wing back?

Exactly if he is going to play in his only natural position he has to be left back in a flat back 4. There is no other position for him.

[bayernoatcake]

Oct 4, 2020 20:38:00 GMT spitthedog said:

Oct 4, 2020 20:35:40 GMT bayernoatcake said:

So you’d have him in the side over Indi at centre back then?

Or as a wing back?

Exactly if he is going to play in his only natural position he has to be left back in a flat back 4. There is no other position for him.

Yeah and that really isn’t doing anything but bar being honest.

He came here as a bog standard sound defensive left back. And there’s nowt wrong with that indeed we haven’t had one since Pieters. And he was fine and we’ve only hard garbage since. So it was a welcome signing.

But he’s shown that the Wednesday fans knew him (as you’d expect). Decent defender but not good going forward. So we used him as a wing back 🤦‍♂️

[Gary Hackett]

Totally average player but not the reason we didnt get 3 points today.

[nottsover60]

Will somebody please tell me what he did today that was so bad. I thought that like the rest of the defence he looked solid and is quicker than BMI. Anyone reading this would think he'd been completely overrun but I don't remember anyone getting the better of him. Alright Souttar was probably slightly better but to say one was best man on the pitch and the other was out of his depth is ridiculous.

[boskampsflaps]

Oct 4, 2020 20:32:32 GMT spitthedog said:

Oct 4, 2020 20:26:16 GMT boskampsflaps said:

I know and he's not been playing there, thats my point, he's out of position so its harsh to write off whithout him even playing there.

Morgan Fox can only be a left back in a flat back four, nothing else. But when is that going to happen? He's a terrible option as a LWB as I think everyone realises.

My personal opinion, from what it is worth from watching him at Wednesday is that he's very average as a left back too. I dont see him as any improvement on BMI who has better all round defensive attributes.

So perhaps we just shouldn't expect too much.

I think Indi is dog shit as a left back so it won't be hard to improve on him imo.


Re the back 4, it needs to happen soon, I haven't seen the game today so can't really comment but we're creating next to nothing and playing 3 at the back at home isn't good enough, I think he'll change it eventually like he did when he first came in and afte the break, hopefully it won't take too long.

[Deleted]

Oct 4, 2020 21:05:40 GMT nottsover60 said:

Will somebody please tell me what he did today that was so bad. I thought that like the rest of the defence he looked solid and is quicker than BMI. Anyone reading this would think he'd been completely overrun but I don't remember anyone getting the better of him. Alright Souttar was probably slightly better but to say one was best man on the pitch and the other was out of his depth is ridiculous.

Couldn't agree more. Very solid defensively and much more able to cope when isolated one v one than BMI.

Don't understand some of the rubbish on here. Like most I hope we go back to a flat four and think he will prove his worth when we do.

[sensiblestokie]

Not our best LWB, have better CB’s, and for me not the best choice at LB.

I mean he was free when our hands were tied but he just looks like a btec Erik Pieters.

[neddy]

Oct 4, 2020 21:33:11 GMT @tonyellis said:

Oct 4, 2020 21:05:40 GMT nottsover60 said:

Will somebody please tell me what he did today that was so bad. I thought that like the rest of the defence he looked solid and is quicker than BMI. Anyone reading this would think he'd been completely overrun but I don't remember anyone getting the better of him. Alright Souttar was probably slightly better but to say one was best man on the pitch and the other was out of his depth is ridiculous.

Couldn't agree more. Very solid defensively and much more able to cope when isolated one v one than BMI.

Don't understand some of the rubbish on here. Like most I hope we go back to a flat four and think he will prove his worth when we do.

This for example for the corner when they scored he did his job by stopping the cross coming in....they just had to then defend the corner where Chester went awol.

[robwahlmann]

Defensively Fox looks very solid. When played on the left in a back 3 or as an old fashioned left back he is all I ask for in a defender, but he certainly isn't a wingback. To complain about his performance yesterday is really baffling as he hardly put a foot wrong! Our defence played ever so well apart from the one they scored from, where Chester again showed his weakness in the air. He didn't have a bad game all in all, but he cost us again. That said I'm more worried about our lack of goals in the other end right now, but a duo of Fletcher and Gregory on top won't bring us the needed goals. We need to play Fletcher alongside a fast striker like Campbell or Brown, I prefer Campbell as he looks more lethal in front of goal, but Gregory won't be the answer anyway!

[unknown182]

Like others have said, he's not a CB or a wingback so he does not suit the 3 atb formation at all. He's a half decent left back who would thrive in a rigid back four.

[spitthedog]

Oct 5, 2020 7:25:23 GMT neddy said:

Oct 4, 2020 21:33:11 GMT @tonyellis said:

Couldn't agree more. Very solid defensively and much more able to cope when isolated one v one than BMI.

Don't understand some of the rubbish on here. Like most I hope we go back to a flat four and think he will prove his worth when we do.

This for example for the corner when they scored he did his job by stopping the cross coming in....they just had to then defend the corner where Chester went awol.

Fox had the make that tackle because he carelessly & under no pressure at all gave the ball away in their half which forced Tymon to concede the free kick while covering for him. Check the full replay.
That's not to say he is responsible for the goal because others contributed but its aa case of poor distribution putting ourselves under needless pressure.

Maybe Ive been overly influenced by the Wednesday fans I know through working in Sheffield, who thinks he is pants.

Lets see how it pans out with him.

[neddy]

Oct 5, 2020 11:17:10 GMT spitthedog said:

Oct 5, 2020 7:25:23 GMT neddy said:

This for example for the corner when they scored he did his job by stopping the cross coming in....they just had to then defend the corner where Chester went awol.

Fox had the make that tackle because he carelessly & under no pressure at all gave the ball away in their half which forced Tymon to concede the free kick while covering for him. Check the full replay.
That's not to say he is responsible for the goal because others contributed but its aa case of poor distribution putting ourselves under needless pressure.

True but he did stop the cross coming in which was my point and didn’t always happen before.