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Post by lordb on Oct 17, 2020 18:49:57 GMT
When Allens back he's the one I'd drop. When he's not scoring he doesnt offer enought for me. I think Clucas misses Allen more than anyone
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Clucas
Oct 18, 2020 8:16:51 GMT
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Post by potterpaul on Oct 18, 2020 8:16:51 GMT
When Allens back he's the one I'd drop. When he's not scoring he doesnt offer enought for me. I think Clucas misses Allen more than anyone Well that'll be another reason to drop him
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Oct 18, 2020 8:21:49 GMT
Post by theteacher on Oct 18, 2020 8:21:49 GMT
When Allens back he's the one I'd drop. When he's not scoring he doesnt offer enought for me. I think Clucas misses Allen more than anyone I tend to agree and it makes a strong case for going to a 4231 formation when Allen returns. A formation, which would suit the prayers that we have IMO.
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Oct 18, 2020 8:31:25 GMT
Post by Lakeland Potter on Oct 18, 2020 8:31:25 GMT
After the first half yesterday I would have brought Thompson on for Clucas. When we play Powell in a front 3 instead of in the number 10 position, I don't think Clucas has the game to feed the front 3 successfully. Clucas will score his fair share of goals from midfield during a season but without Powell in the number 10 position he seems to drift in and out of the game. Thompson's passing is much more penetrative.
It is a pity really but Clucas simply isn't suited by the 343 system we played yesterday. As a bonus, if we played Thompson in his place, I think we'd also benefit from Thompson's corners (and free kicks?) which usually look better to me than Clucas's.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Oct 18, 2020 8:35:01 GMT
I think Clucas misses Allen more than anyone I tend to agree and it makes a strong case for going to a 4231 formation when Allen returns. A formation, which would suit the prayers that we have IMO. In a 4231 is Powell is in the middle of the 3 and Mikel is one of the midfield 2 there isn't room for Allen and Clucas - only one of them.
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Post by robwahlmann on Oct 18, 2020 8:38:19 GMT
After the first half yesterday I would have brought Thompson on for Clucas. When we play Powell in a front 3 instead of in the number 10 position, I don't think Clucas has the game to feed the front 3 successfully. Clucas will score his fair share of goals from midfield during a season but without Powell in the number 10 position he seems to drift in and out of the game. Thompson's passing is much more penetrative. It is a pity really but Clucas simply isn't suited by the 343 system we played yesterday. As a bonus, if we played Thompson in his place, I think we'd also benefit from Thompson's corners (and free kicks?) which usually look better to me than Clucas's. I think it's time Thompson gets some games instead of Clucas as well, it seemed to work out well when TOB got a game instead of Powell. That seemed to trigger Powell who has looked much better since that.
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Oct 18, 2020 8:45:41 GMT
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Post by lordb on Oct 18, 2020 8:45:41 GMT
I tend to agree and it makes a strong case for going to a 4231 formation when Allen returns. A formation, which would suit the prayers that we have IMO. In a 4231 is Powell is in the middle of the 3 and Mikel is one of the midfield 2 there isn't room for Allen and Clucas - only one of them. Mikel Allen, Clucas Powell Cracking diamond! Suspect when Allen is back he will be rotated with Mikel
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Post by davejohnno1 on Oct 18, 2020 9:39:02 GMT
Obviously in a minority reading this thread but I thought Clucas was decent enough yesterday. He got about the pitch, passed it neatly and threaded a couple of lovely passes for Tymon.
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Oct 18, 2020 9:47:29 GMT
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Post by potterpaul on Oct 18, 2020 9:47:29 GMT
Obviously in a minority reading this thread but I thought Clucas was decent enough yesterday. He got about the pitch, passed it neatly and threaded a couple of lovely passes for Tymon. It was a 6 out of 10 which isn't bad in a match but he has been regularly in and around 5 to 6 out of 10 all season. Just think a nudge from MON won't go amiss.
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Oct 18, 2020 9:57:46 GMT
Post by mrcoke on Oct 18, 2020 9:57:46 GMT
In a 4231 is Powell is in the middle of the 3 and Mikel is one of the midfield 2 there isn't room for Allen and Clucas - only one of them. Mikel Allen, Clucas Powell Cracking diamond! Suspect when Allen is back he will be rotated with Mikel You may be right but if so I don't think it would be successful. Allen lacks the discipline to hold back and goes chasing shadows, allowing the opposition to directly attack our back line with through passes and wall passes. Mikel has the discipline to hold his position, like Whelan used to, and stops the opposition pushing through our middle and forcing them to go wide. That has made us a lot more secure defensively. Without Mikel I suspect we would be leaking goals again.
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Oct 18, 2020 19:22:56 GMT
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Post by gingerninja on Oct 18, 2020 19:22:56 GMT
After the break he certainly picked up his passing somewhat, then drifted back into his shell.
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Oct 18, 2020 19:26:24 GMT
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Post by lordb on Oct 18, 2020 19:26:24 GMT
Mikel Allen, Clucas Powell Cracking diamond! Suspect when Allen is back he will be rotated with Mikel You may be right but if so I don't think it would be successful. Allen lacks the discipline to hold back and goes chasing shadows, allowing the opposition to directly attack our back line with through passes and wall passes. Mikel has the discipline to hold his position, like Whelan used to, and stops the opposition pushing through our middle and forcing them to go wide. That has made us a lot more secure defensively. Without Mikel I suspect we would be leaking goals again. We might Probably score more too Essentially what happened last season Tricky isn't it? We want more goals but want to keep these clean sheets going too
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Oct 18, 2020 20:47:19 GMT
Post by BuzzB on Oct 18, 2020 20:47:19 GMT
Thompson has been pretty decent so far this season, him and Mikel worked a treat at Villa. He is more suited to the deeper role than Clucas, who, as stated has been pants.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2020 21:01:52 GMT
I think Clucas misses Allen more than anyone I tend to agree and it makes a strong case for going to a 4231 formation when Allen returns. A formation, which would suit the prayers that we have IMO. Have we signed Andrew Surman?
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Oct 19, 2020 12:42:18 GMT
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Post by armitage21 on Oct 19, 2020 12:42:18 GMT
Wouldn't be my first choice as a sitting mid in a 4231. I'd play Thompson alongside Mikel. Clucas would then have to compete further up the pitch with Powell for the number 10 slot.
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Oct 19, 2020 12:55:45 GMT
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Post by wearepremierleague on Oct 19, 2020 12:55:45 GMT
In a 4231 is Powell is in the middle of the 3 and Mikel is one of the midfield 2 there isn't room for Allen and Clucas - only one of them. Mikel Allen, Clucas Powell Cracking diamond! Suspect when Allen is back he will be rotated with Mikel When Allen is back he will he the first name on the sheet, and rightly so
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Oct 19, 2020 13:31:43 GMT
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Post by gingerninja on Oct 19, 2020 13:31:43 GMT
I think Thompson has earned the right to start, especially at home where his passing is quicker and more incisive, can't see Mikel playing 3 games in a week so will be plenty of chance to rotate.
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Post by nott1 on Oct 19, 2020 13:45:18 GMT
He is one of our best players but is a bit off form atm. He'll be back soon.
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Oct 19, 2020 13:49:07 GMT
Post by stokie1 on Oct 19, 2020 13:49:07 GMT
No way Clucas is getting dropped. He is one fo the first names on MON teamsheet. Was good against Luton. Covered a lot of ground, broke up the play. He is important part of the team at the moment in my opinion. when Allen comes back they may rotate a bit more and give Mikel some rest but I dont see a Stoke team without Clucas right now.
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Oct 19, 2020 13:51:57 GMT
Post by Northy on Oct 19, 2020 13:51:57 GMT
I tend to agree and it makes a strong case for going to a 4231 formation when Allen returns. A formation, which would suit the prayers that we have IMO. Have we signed Andrew Surman? I pray to the lord that we haven't or God willing we haven't
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Post by LH_SCFC on Oct 19, 2020 20:33:29 GMT
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Oct 21, 2020 21:50:54 GMT
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Post by ethers26 on Oct 21, 2020 21:50:54 GMT
Missed him tonight and he's a doubt for Saturday too apparently 👎🏻
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Oct 21, 2020 21:51:36 GMT
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Post by scfcno1fan on Oct 21, 2020 21:51:36 GMT
I think we missed him as his replacement wasn’t up to much.
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Oct 21, 2020 21:52:59 GMT
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Post by chuckrocky on Oct 21, 2020 21:52:59 GMT
In what way did we miss him?
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Post by nottsover60 on Oct 21, 2020 21:59:46 GMT
In what way did we miss him? His attacking threat. He gets into dangerous situations, arriving late in the box and he can shoot, both attributes which as yet Thompson hasn't shown. In fact to me it looked as if we had pushed Mikel further forward to allow Thompson to sit deep. And Clucas's dead ball deliveries are better. He was a huge miss tonight and after last season I'm sure Barnsley were glad to see his name missing rrom the team sheet.
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Oct 21, 2020 22:01:21 GMT
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Post by ethers26 on Oct 21, 2020 22:01:21 GMT
In what way did we miss him? 1. He scores screamers against Barnsley 2. He creates loads of chances 3. His ability to get up and down the pitch 4. His ability to break up moves around our box 5. Jordan Thompson
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Post by owdestokie2 on Oct 21, 2020 22:13:40 GMT
In what way did we miss him? 1. He scores screamers against Barnsley 2. He creates loads of chances 3. His ability to get up and down the pitch 4. His ability to break up moves around our box 5. Jordan Thompson Not being harsh to Jordan Thompson but.......you nailed it
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Oct 21, 2020 22:46:04 GMT
Post by spitthedog on Oct 21, 2020 22:46:04 GMT
The problem with this 'we missed him' post is we hear this virtually every game about one player or another....doesn't this tell us something?
The fact is we played poorly without him and we have played poorly this season with him.
Did we fair any better against Birmingham or Bristol City for example?
I think he is better than Thompson generally but issues lie far, far deeper.
Should also be noted that MON singled out Thompson for praise after tonight's 'performance'.
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Oct 22, 2020 6:38:17 GMT
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Post by chuckrocky on Oct 22, 2020 6:38:17 GMT
In what way did we miss him? 1. He scores screamers against Barnsley 2. He creates loads of chances 3. His ability to get up and down the pitch 4. His ability to break up moves around our box 5. Jordan Thompson Haven’t seen any of that from Clucas this season. He’s been the invisible man in every game, he wouldn’t have made a jot of difference if he had played last night.
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Oct 22, 2020 6:40:35 GMT
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Post by chuckrocky on Oct 22, 2020 6:40:35 GMT
In what way did we miss him? His attacking threat. He gets into dangerous situations, arriving late in the box and he can shoot, both attributes which as yet Thompson hasn't shown. In fact to me it looked as if we had pushed Mikel further forward to allow Thompson to sit deep. And Clucas's dead ball deliveries are better. He was a huge miss tonight and after last season I'm sure Barnsley were glad to see his name missing rrom the team sheet. Thompson’s dead ball deliveries are always excellent, pretty weird observation to suggest Clucas’ deliveries are better.
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