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Post by owdestokie2 on Sept 20, 2020 18:41:32 GMT
Tin Hat Time
This is not a reaction to today’s performance!!!
I’ve now had the opportunity of watching Powell on numerous occasions in a Stoke shirt. Not glimpses on Quest, not listening to pundits.
I’m still not convinced about his attitude, application and mentality, am I being overly critical when I’m coming to the conclusion that he won’t be a standout figure, nor have the consistency which will take us to where all want to be?
There aren’t that many games when the vultures don’t run on repeatedly with a stretcher to extradite his corpse from the pitch to be disappointed when he comes back to life after a life threatening tackle.
At the age of 26/27 and a career (appearances) of Crewe, Hull, Wigan and Stoke does this indicate that we’ve signed yet another journeyman
Debate, discussion, opinions will be interesting
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Post by werrington on Sept 20, 2020 18:45:11 GMT
He had a poor game but he’s been superb pre and post lockdown
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 20, 2020 18:45:46 GMT
His attitude, application and mentality are generally fine.
He’s generally kicked to shit and not protected.
He’s also being played out of position which is just daft.
Play him higher up the pitch and get the ball to his feet on the half turn behind Fletcher.
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 20, 2020 18:45:59 GMT
This deeper role doesn't suit him at all, and I thought he was absolutely awful today.
But I thought he was very, very good for most of last season after he got in on New Year's Day. He and Campbell were the things giving me most hope about the season.
His desire and application were largely first-class - in fact they really surprised me
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Post by citynickscfc on Sept 20, 2020 18:46:54 GMT
Not fit to lace Bojan's boots. For all the moments Bojan gene me, I have so few from Nick Powell, and many of frustration.
He has glimpses, but I fear the rumours of him not giving a crap about stoke could well be true. It's games like today that we need leaders and triers with talent, not just legs, did he offer either?
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 20, 2020 18:48:25 GMT
Not fit to lace Bojan's boots. For all the moments Bojan gene me, I have so few from Nick Powell, and many of frustration. He has glimpses, but I fear the rumours of him not giving a crap about stoke could well be true. It's games like today that we need leaders and triers with talent, not just legs, did he offer either? With all due respect WTF has Bojan got to do with Nick Powell🤔
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Sept 20, 2020 18:48:34 GMT
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 20, 2020 18:48:34 GMT
Tin Hat Time This is not a reaction to today’s performance!!! I’ve now had the opportunity of watching Powell on numerous occasions in a Stoke shirt. Not glimpses on Quest, not listening to pundits. I’m still not convinced about his attitude, application and mentality, am I being overly critical when I’m coming to the conclusion that he won’t be a standout figure, nor have the consistency which will take us to where all want to be? There aren’t that many games when the vultures don’t run on repeatedly with a stretcher to extradite his corpse from the pitch to be disappointed when he comes back to life after a life threatening tackle. At the age of 26/27 and a career (appearances) of Crewe, Hull, Wigan and Stoke does this indicate that we’ve signed yet another journeyman Debate, discussion, opinions will be interesting I believe that Powell is the most talented footballer at Stoke. However, I don’t think he’s indispensable and with that in mind I don’t think he should be a shoe in in the first eleven. If O’Neill insists on persevering with 3 at the back it’s not going to suit him, as shown whenever we’ve played it. In a 4-2-3-1 he has to play, it’s literally the only position where he’s effective. So what does the manager do? Build his team around the undoubtably talented Nick Powell in that formation or persist with 3-5-2 and put him on the bench?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 20, 2020 18:48:39 GMT
Probably my favourite Stoke player in the current squad.
Play him as a number 10 in a 4231 or don't play him at all.
This deeper role is killing him.
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Sept 20, 2020 18:48:43 GMT
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Post by bgreen13 on Sept 20, 2020 18:48:43 GMT
Petulent and half arsed today.
We need him firing.
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Sept 20, 2020 18:49:44 GMT
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Post by shrewspotter on Sept 20, 2020 18:49:44 GMT
Powell should play in the 4231 position in the number 10 role. He’s played in that role quite a few times for us and been excellent.
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Post by werrington on Sept 20, 2020 18:50:49 GMT
Not fit to lace Bojan's boots. For all the moments Bojan gene me, I have so few from Nick Powell, and many of frustration. He has glimpses, but I fear the rumours of him not giving a crap about stoke could well be true. It's games like today that we need leaders and triers with talent, not just legs, did he offer either? Not that rumours nonsense again He’s had a bad game, that’s all just like everybody else who’s ever worn the Stoke shirt ....it happens and he’s been a fantastic signing When he has a good game does that mean he does give a shit about Stoke City
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2020 18:52:31 GMT
He's been played left wing. He isn't a winger. He's been played central midfield. He isn't a central midfielder.
He's a player who thrives off a front man and the way we played with Powell off Vokes with Campbell out wide last season got the best out of all three.
We've now gone out and upgraded Vokes in Fletcher, added more power and pace out wide with Brown and added an experienced defensive midfielder to lock things up behind him and we've gone and lobbed the baby out with the bathwater by dropping Campbell, playing the power and pacey wide man through the middle and the lovely number ten we had in Powell, is now grinding away in a 3 man midfield for two wing backs that won't cross the halfway line.
It's like when Hughes watched Diouf hit double figures, went out and bought Bojan to play behind him to help create more for him then dropped him before reinventing him as a right back.
Honestly, I could weep.
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Sept 20, 2020 18:54:18 GMT
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Post by bgreen13 on Sept 20, 2020 18:54:18 GMT
He's been played left wing. He isn't a winger. He's been played central midfield. He isn't a central midfielder. He's a player who thrives off a front man and the way we played with Powell off Vokes with Campbell out wide last season got the best out of all three. We've now gone out and upgraded Vokes in Fletcher, added more power and pace out wide with Brown and added an experienced defensive midfielder to lock things up behind him and we've gone and lobbed the baby out with the bathwater by dropping Campbell, playing the power and pacey wide man through the middle and the lovely number ten we had in Powell, is now grinding away in a 3 man midfield for two wing backs that won't cross the halfway line. It's like when Hughes watched Diouf hit double figures, went out and bought Bojan to play behind him to help create more for him then dropped him before reinventing him as a right back. Honestly, I could weep. Smith was probably our most attacking player today.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 20, 2020 18:55:12 GMT
You can't judge him when hes being played where he is, he may as well be on the bench, he's being wasted.
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Sept 20, 2020 19:00:44 GMT
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Post by bgreen13 on Sept 20, 2020 19:00:44 GMT
You can't judge him when hes being played where he is, he may as well be on the bench, he's being wasted. But it's ok to judge everyone else? He spent quite a lot of the game in an attacking position yet did nothing with it. Petulently stroking it out of play. I know people want O'neills head (bizarrely) but players have to take some responsibility
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Post by dirtygary69 on Sept 20, 2020 19:01:46 GMT
He's been played left wing. He isn't a winger. He's been played central midfield. He isn't a central midfielder. He's a player who thrives off a front man and the way we played with Powell off Vokes with Campbell out wide last season got the best out of all three. We've now gone out and upgraded Vokes in Fletcher, added more power and pace out wide with Brown and added an experienced defensive midfielder to lock things up behind him and we've gone and lobbed the baby out with the bathwater by dropping Campbell, playing the power and pacey wide man through the middle and the lovely number ten we had in Powell, is now grinding away in a 3 man midfield for two wing backs that won't cross the halfway line. It's like when Hughes watched Diouf hit double figures, went out and bought Bojan to play behind him to help create more for him then dropped him before reinventing him as a right back. Honestly, I could weep. Christ only knows where he’s trying to go with it, especially after last season’s finish and the system that worked. He seems savvy enough to change it but our managers seem to love signing players that don’t fit the way they play and course themselves issues. He’s got plenty of credit in the bank but he needs to get his head out of his arse here.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 20, 2020 19:03:03 GMT
You can't judge him when hes being played where he is, he may as well be on the bench, he's being wasted. But it's ok to judge everyone else? He spent quite a lot of the game in an attacking position yet did nothing with it. Petulently stroking it out of play. I know people want O'neills head (bizarrely) but players have to take some responsibility Where is that being said?
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Sept 20, 2020 19:05:16 GMT
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Post by bgreen13 on Sept 20, 2020 19:05:16 GMT
But it's ok to judge everyone else? He spent quite a lot of the game in an attacking position yet did nothing with it. Petulently stroking it out of play. I know people want O'neills head (bizarrely) but players have to take some responsibility Where is that being said? That's the thing, no one has the balls to say it. But its there and very prevelant after a loss today.
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Post by iglugluk on Sept 20, 2020 19:05:45 GMT
You can't judge him when hes being played where he is, he may as well be on the bench, he's being wasted. But it's ok to judge everyone else? He spent quite a lot of the game in an attacking position yet did nothing with it. Petulently stroking it out of play. I know people want O'neills head (bizarrely) but players have to take some responsibility I haven't read many posts on here demanding the manager is removed.. not sure I've read any in fact.
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Post by bgreen13 on Sept 20, 2020 19:06:57 GMT
But it's ok to judge everyone else? He spent quite a lot of the game in an attacking position yet did nothing with it. Petulently stroking it out of play. I know people want O'neills head (bizarrely) but players have to take some responsibility I haven't read many posts on here demanding the manager is removed.. not sure I've read any in fact. As above. You have to just take notice of the constant drip.
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Sept 20, 2020 19:08:33 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2020 19:08:33 GMT
Powell is our main player. Use him right and we’re a better outfit - simple as that.
He didn’t have his best game today - but nobody did and he was not playing as number 9 (which he needs to).
But make no mistake and don’t be fooled. He’s our best player and when he’s used right and his confidence is up - he’s a premier league player
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 20, 2020 19:09:32 GMT
Where is that being said? That's the thing, no one has the balls to say it. But its there and very prevelant after a loss today. No it isn't. You're creating a drama that isn't there just because supporters are hoping that the manager will play a player a few meters further up the pitch.
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Sept 20, 2020 19:11:00 GMT
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Post by bgreen13 on Sept 20, 2020 19:11:00 GMT
That's the thing, no one has the balls to say it. But its there and very prevelant after a loss today. No it isn't. You're creating a drama that isn't there just because supporters are hoping that the manager will play a player a few meters further up the pitch. No but thanks.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 20, 2020 19:14:19 GMT
You can't judge him when hes being played where he is, he may as well be on the bench, he's being wasted. But it's ok to judge everyone else?
He spent quite a lot of the game in an attacking position yet did nothing with it. Petulently stroking it out of play. I know people want O'neills head (bizarrely) but players have to take some responsibility It depends who it is, Batth and Chester are playing in their prefered position as is Vokes etc I don't want his head, I want him to grow a pair, he's proven he's a half compitent manager now hopefully he'll prove he's better than that, use this squad as is best and as we all know its not being defencive we've gone back to Rowett the way we're playing now. You're right players do need to take responsiblity but so does the manager, we saw before the break that there's better ways to set this team up even in the 3-5-2 he's using there's better ways but he's shitting it for some reason and it isn't working.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Sept 20, 2020 19:14:53 GMT
Talented for sure and on his day can turn a game , how many days out of 46 will we get 0 out of 2 so far .
Its time he proved himself and needs to apply his talent a lot more than he does to do that .
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 20, 2020 19:16:46 GMT
Talented for sure and on his day can turn a game , how many days out of 46 will we get 0 out of 2 so far . Its time he proved himself and needs to apply his talent a lot more than he does to do that . Played out of position 2 out of 2 so far......
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Post by iglugluk on Sept 20, 2020 19:17:08 GMT
I haven't read many posts on here demanding the manager is removed.. not sure I've read any in fact. As above. You have to just take notice of the constant drip. I'm reading negative comments about his choice of system and players but I can't agree that anyone is 'calling for his head'. After a team performance like today it's no surprise the manager is getting a bit of flack tbh. I rated him 3 but he's still our best manager in a fair old while as far as I'm concerned. Btw regarding Powell, I'd say if he was looking to opt out he would have made more of the injury. He was just played out of position and didn't do much today, I reckon.
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Sept 20, 2020 19:21:29 GMT
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Post by bgreen13 on Sept 20, 2020 19:21:29 GMT
As above. You have to just take notice of the constant drip. I'm reading negative comments about his choice of system and players but I can't agree that anyone is 'calling for his head'. After a team performance like today it's no surprise the manager is getting a bit of flack tbh. I rated him 3 but he's still our best manager in a fair old while as far as I'm concerned. Btw regarding Powell, I'd say if he was looking to opt out he would have made more of the injury. He was just played out of position and didn't do much today, I reckon. Which is all of course true.
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Post by greenhoff on Sept 20, 2020 19:22:41 GMT
He's been played left wing. He isn't a winger. He's been played central midfield. He isn't a central midfielder. He's a player who thrives off a front man and the way we played with Powell off Vokes with Campbell out wide last season got the best out of all three. We've now gone out and upgraded Vokes in Fletcher, added more power and pace out wide with Brown and added an experienced defensive midfielder to lock things up behind him and we've gone and lobbed the baby out with the bathwater by dropping Campbell, playing the power and pacey wide man through the middle and the lovely number ten we had in Powell, is now grinding away in a 3 man midfield for two wing backs that won't cross the halfway line. It's like when Hughes watched Diouf hit double figures, went out and bought Bojan to play behind him to help create more for him then dropped him before reinventing him as a right back. Honestly, I could weep. Absolutely 100% spot on. Its just crackers
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Post by PotterLog on Sept 20, 2020 19:30:20 GMT
I'm reading negative comments about his choice of system and players but I can't agree that anyone is 'calling for his head'. After a team performance like today it's no surprise the manager is getting a bit of flack tbh. I rated him 3 but he's still our best manager in a fair old while as far as I'm concerned. Btw regarding Powell, I'd say if he was looking to opt out he would have made more of the injury. He was just played out of position and didn't do much today, I reckon. Which is all of course true. Is this post part of the “constant drip”? Why do you want MON’s head?
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