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Post by Lakeland Potter on Sept 18, 2020 16:14:37 GMT
Thats it then, I'm sold. With irrefutable facts like that I'd say we should sack him. Oh shut up. Bayern, I presume that you telling another poster on this message board to "shut up" is your way of demonstrating that you do have both a sense of humour and a sense of irony?
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Post by David Brent on Sept 18, 2020 16:14:40 GMT
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Post by bgreen13 on Sept 18, 2020 16:17:01 GMT
I dunno. Half way through last season I wouldve agreed but now I think they're turning it around. I think the majority of the squad seem to get it now, thanks to Mon. Obviously there will always be some fans where nothing is good enough 🤔 I think the squad is good enough and have said it for years! And in that time I’ve defended them because I think the manager has been the issue and MON has proven that. But you haven the Jones signings and bar Powell I’m not a fan. Chester and Thompson from MON just look awful. And then there’s Rowett’s wonders. I like Woods as it happens and Ince is clearly a very good footballer but also very clearly can’t be arsed with us. So again I’m not a fan of many of them either. Indi I like too. Freeman actually seems decent but I just wish he’d replace Smith. That’s all. Oh for sure we've signed some questionable players. Players we didn't need then proceeded to, we'll, not need them... I wouldn't have signed Chesters but his form is definitely picking up. Smith and Baath were, in my own opinion our best players post lockdown. I'm more confident of all our new signings and departures now solely because Oneill seems to know what he's doing. Which is quite a new feeling.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 18, 2020 16:17:08 GMT
Good point! He was knocking on though. I’ve not seen Freeman I don’t think but at 29 should have a couple of seasons in the tank.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 18, 2020 16:20:46 GMT
I think the squad is good enough and have said it for years! And in that time I’ve defended them because I think the manager has been the issue and MON has proven that. But you haven the Jones signings and bar Powell I’m not a fan. Chester and Thompson from MON just look awful. And then there’s Rowett’s wonders. I like Woods as it happens and Ince is clearly a very good footballer but also very clearly can’t be arsed with us. So again I’m not a fan of many of them either. Indi I like too. Freeman actually seems decent but I just wish he’d replace Smith. That’s all. Oh for sure we've signed some questionable players. Players we didn't need then proceeded to, we'll, not need them... I wouldn't have signed Chesters but his form is definitely picking up. Smith and Baath were, in my own opinion our best players post lockdown. I'm more confident of all our new signings and departures now solely because Oneill seems to know what he's doing. Which is quite a new feeling. Smith played well yeah but I thought Batth was still his useless self on the whole. The goals imo blinded people. And I hope so. So far past Chester and Thompson the incomings seem good. Even if Fletcher and Mikel are OAP’s. 😂
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Post by silsdenstokie on Sept 18, 2020 16:22:53 GMT
My Blades mate says he's great going forward, defending ok
Mind you,mye told me Duffy was the bees knees
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Post by bgreen13 on Sept 18, 2020 16:23:15 GMT
Oh for sure we've signed some questionable players. Players we didn't need then proceeded to, we'll, not need them... I wouldn't have signed Chesters but his form is definitely picking up. Smith and Baath were, in my own opinion our best players post lockdown. I'm more confident of all our new signings and departures now solely because Oneill seems to know what he's doing. Which is quite a new feeling. Smith played well yeah but I thought Batth was still his useless self on the whole. The goals imo blinded people. And I hope so. So far past Chester and Thompson the incomings seem good. Even if Fletcher and Mikel are OAP’s. 😂 Nothing wrong with older players bayern...
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 18, 2020 16:24:00 GMT
Oh for sure we've signed some questionable players. Players we didn't need then proceeded to, we'll, not need them... I wouldn't have signed Chesters but his form is definitely picking up. Smith and Baath were, in my own opinion our best players post lockdown. I'm more confident of all our new signings and departures now solely because Oneill seems to know what he's doing. Which is quite a new feeling. Smith played well yeah but I thought Batth was still his useless self on the whole. The goals imo blinded people. And I hope so. So far past Chester and Thompson the incomings seem good. Even if Fletcher and Mikel are OAP’s. 😂 You think Batth’s goals blinded people? Proper patronising talk. The goals were a bonus to some solid defensive displays were we didn’t concede many goals.
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Post by silsdenstokie on Sept 18, 2020 16:24:16 GMT
My Blades mate says he's great going forward, defending ok
Mind you,mye told me Duffy was the bees knees
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Post by ethers26 on Sept 18, 2020 16:24:36 GMT
What is this bizarre obsession/myth around Edwards? He's 21, and should've kicked on by now. If he's nearly as good as some believe, he'd have teams falling over themselves to get him, especially considering he's in our bomb squad. The facts are, his attitude clearly isn't where it needs to be, and he's been poor when given chances. He will end up at a League One side or lower next - and nobody should be worried about that 😂 He's had Premier League teams after him hasn't he? Turned down Blackburn as well. Actions speak louder than words though. United were rumoured to have 'monitored' things when we got relegated (hmm), and turning down Blackburn is hardly batting off several clubs desperate to sign him is what I mean.
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Post by mamasgloves on Sept 18, 2020 16:25:02 GMT
We need cover for Smith , Edwards no where near good enough , but don’t know much about this guy so 🤷♂️ Edwards is more than good enough🤦♂️Such short memories. 🤣🤣🤣 utter rot
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 18, 2020 16:30:14 GMT
Smith played well yeah but I thought Batth was still his useless self on the whole. The goals imo blinded people. And I hope so. So far past Chester and Thompson the incomings seem good. Even if Fletcher and Mikel are OAP’s. 😂 You think Batth’s goals blinded people? Proper patronising talk. The goals were a bonus to some solid defensive displays were we didn’t concede many goals. I don’t think so, it’s happened plenty of times with defenders on here. People wanked off the Forest and Brizzle games defensively but both were awful for it and the in game comments matched that only for the result to mask it. Again another thing that happens, if we win, everything was fine and you can’t say anything different. Always makes me laugh.
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Post by Sfance on Sept 18, 2020 16:30:50 GMT
The beauty of having Bayern as the judge of all things Stoke is that it saves everyone else from having to decide for themselves - just think he opposite of what he says, and 90% of the time, you'll be bang on.
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Post by robwahlmann on Sept 18, 2020 16:31:49 GMT
Of course he is, Bayern! A pity a lot of managers with a reputation disagree with you, but hey, don't let that get in your way! He is. Harry Maguire was brought for a similarly daft fee by a big club and he’s massively overrated too. John Stones Jordan Pickford All English, all young, all massively overrated defensive players. All the players you mention are very good players! Overrated? Maybe, but when are you really overrated? They have all played a lot og games for the national side which I'd say proves there is a lot of quality in those players.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2020 16:32:56 GMT
Edwards surely has to accept a loan move if this goes through, a season in the under 23s does nothing for him. According to MON, loans are useless for players around that age range. If someone wants him, I expect he’d be gone for good. Probably for a bag of Walkers and we pay 80% of his contract and his agents fees for his next move. While I’m not Edwards’ biggest fan, I don’t see how this guy would be a step up (judging solely on his age and inability to make a real mark at any one club). Perhaps he will just be more suited for the right wing-back slot? Have to assume something has gone on with Edwards behind closed doors. The manager doesn’t seem concerned about giving players in his age range the option to prove themselves. I wonder why he wasn’t in the squad vs Wolves? be sensible.no self respecting irishman eats walkers .MON would surely demand Tayto only We would be getting the better deal
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 18, 2020 16:34:50 GMT
He is. Harry Maguire was brought for a similarly daft fee by a big club and he’s massively overrated too. John Stones Jordan Pickford All English, all young, all massively overrated defensive players. All the players you mention are very good players! Overrated? Maybe, but when are you really overrated? They have all played a lot og games for the national side which I'd say proves there is a lot of quality in those players. Pickford is a poor goalie. Triffic midfielder. Stones is an awful defender. I honestly wouldn’t want him for us at CB. Maguire I think is ok tbf but he shouldn’t be an England regular in an ideal world. Chilwell is ok too but he’s suspect defensively and teams can always have a go at him.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2020 16:34:58 GMT
Edwards is too slow to play wingback as is Smith. Don't know if Freeman is the answer but I trust MON on this one.
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Post by robwahlmann on Sept 18, 2020 16:36:48 GMT
I guess you like him because he so good on the ball! Oh Christ you don’t think Shawcross is good on the ball! Of course you don’t 😂😂 No, Bayern, he isn't very good on the ball. He is good at choosing the safe solution, but I must admit I've many times wanted to tear my hair out when he has played it over the touchline intead of playing it back to the keeper or forward. I've really liked Ryan too, but because he is a very good defender, and not because he is very good on the ball. In fact I can see many similarities between Ryan and Batth, same strengths and weaknesses.
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Post by mrcoke on Sept 18, 2020 16:38:19 GMT
I've preached on here repeatedly that football is a team game, and whilst individual talent is obviously important it is also very important how players knit together.
IMO Smith has looked a lot better since Ince has been side lined. Having Ince hugging (and hiding) on the right wing and constantly reversing the play backwards must be hell for a RB who wants to contribute going forward. Ince is possibly responsible for Edwards losing the plot and his game deteriorating.
MON has clearly rumbled Ince (as have the 9 previous managers he has played for), but had to use him last season as there was little choice. No one would have wanted to join Stoke in January when we were near bottom.
MON is clearly a better judge of character and commitment than any of our past managers since Pulis, and if he wants to sign Freeman and get rid of Edwards, that is OK with me.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 18, 2020 16:38:57 GMT
Oh Christ you don’t think Shawcross is good on the ball! Of course you don’t 😂😂 No, Bayern, he isn't very good on the ball. He is good at choosing the safe solution, but I must admit I've many times wanted to tear my hair out when he has played it over the touchline intead of playing it back to the keeper or forward. I've really liked Ryan too, but because he is a very good defender, and not because he is very good on the ball. In fact I can see many similarities between Ryan and Batth, same strengths and weaknesses. He is good on the ball. If you think they’re similar then God help you.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 18, 2020 16:43:14 GMT
I've preached on here repeatedly that football is a team game, and whilst individual talent is obviously important it is also very important how players knit together. IMO Smith has looked a lot better since Ince has been side lined. Having Ince hugging (and hiding) on the right wing and constantly reversing the play backwards must be hell for a RB who wants to contribute going forward. Ince is possibly responsible for Edwards losing the plot and his game deteriorating. MON has clearly rumbled Ince (as have the 9 previous managers he has played for), but had to use him last season as there was little choice. No one would have wanted to join Stoke in January when we were near bottom. MON is clearly a better judge of character and commitment than any of our past managers since Pulis, and if he wants to sign Freeman and get rid of Edwards, that is OK with me. Absolutely hit the nail on the head there👍🏻
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2020 16:43:50 GMT
My Blades mate says he's great going forward, defending ok Mind you,mye told me Duffy was the bees knees To be fair to Duffy, he was brought in based on great performances in a position we didn’t ask him to play. When O’Neill got here, he saw a bloated squad in a relegation battle and a 33 year old loanee who hadn’t played for a half season.
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Post by FranktheRabbit on Sept 18, 2020 16:45:24 GMT
Have I missed something, when as McKinley shit stirred ? It’s what I’ve been told is the reason by why Edwards is deemed surplus. Also a lot of the players apparently don’t like him (McKinlay) either. Maybe the ones who don’t like him are the ones who he has called out. Doesn’t seem to be bothering the rest of the team?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2020 16:48:47 GMT
No, Bayern, he isn't very good on the ball. He is good at choosing the safe solution, but I must admit I've many times wanted to tear my hair out when he has played it over the touchline intead of playing it back to the keeper or forward. I've really liked Ryan too, but because he is a very good defender, and not because he is very good on the ball. In fact I can see many similarities between Ryan and Batth, same strengths and weaknesses. He is good on the ball. If you think they’re similar then God help you. I mean Ryan is (/was) much for aggressive, vocal and can read the game better. He’s also (/was) quicker. But if he was a good ball player, he’d have moved on from Stoke. He was an excellent defender and if he could play good passes forward, he’d have been an England centre half over players like Cahill, Jones and Smalling. He did however, often seem to know his limitations and mostly just opted for a very basic back/sideways pass.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 18, 2020 16:48:48 GMT
It’s what I’ve been told is the reason by why Edwards is deemed surplus. Also a lot of the players apparently don’t like him (McKinlay) either. Maybe the ones who don’t like him are the ones who he has called out. Doesn’t seem to be bothering the rest of the team? I don’t think it’s bothered Edwards either. He looks fitter than ever and played well on Monday for the u23s.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 18, 2020 16:50:45 GMT
He is good on the ball. If you think they’re similar then God help you. I mean Ryan is (/was) much for aggressive, vocal and can read the game better. He’s also (/was) quicker. But if he was a good ball player, he’d have moved on from Stoke. He was an excellent defender and if he could play good passes forward, he’d have been an England centre half over players like Cahill, Jones and Smalling. He did however, often seem to know his limitations and mostly just opted for a very basic back/sideways pass. He is better than all of those. Successive morons in charge didn’t pick him. He’s shown for us that he’s good on the ball under Hughes. Who was the one that would pass the ball out? Ryan. You don’t graduate from the Man Yoo academy without being able to pass a football.
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Post by pottersrule on Sept 18, 2020 16:53:56 GMT
Remember him saying he didn't see what all the fuss was with a certain Ben Chilwell Ben Chilwell is massively overrated.
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Post by mamasgloves on Sept 18, 2020 16:54:40 GMT
He isn’t though nowhere near What is it with Stoke fans and not liking good young players? You and sheikh keep reeling this line out like some fact, can you point us all to the people who are so steadfastly against all of our young players? I'm pretty sure that those criticising Edwards are also pretty happy and supportive of the likes of Collins and Campbell coming through.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 18, 2020 16:55:41 GMT
Ben Chilwell is massively overrated. Yeah clearly a 60m player 🤦♂️
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Post by FranktheRabbit on Sept 18, 2020 17:00:22 GMT
Maybe the ones who don’t like him are the ones who he has called out. Doesn’t seem to be bothering the rest of the team? I don’t think it’s bothered Edwards either. He looks fitter than ever and played well on Monday for the u23s. Your right he looked good, he’s got a point to prove. I’d just take what you’ve been told with a pinch of salt. He probably has said something about Edwards and a couple of other players but he has a right to, he’s the gaffers assistant.
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