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Post by fulagoals on Sept 18, 2020 6:14:41 GMT
Calm down. Admit he has potential, but Lou Lou, Lou Macari’s era was exiting and Vokes is no Steino!😂 Needs his own Steino and his own Nello He’s potentially got them in Brown and Vokes😉 |
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Post by tnbiscuitswithtone on Sept 18, 2020 6:31:38 GMT
Has he offered "nello" a job yet? He may have trouble getting past the Neil Baldwin F.C. chairman to get Neil back on the bench.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Sept 18, 2020 6:56:27 GMT
Celtic would be a bit of a worry but given our history of encouraging them with weak refusals West Ham too but I actually think he knows these owners are pretty pr Dekes for a manager who delivers Is there no situation that you can’t draw a depressing scenario from? I woke up on January 1sr worrying about a global pandemic and football linsaud dint be daft 100 years since one of those m and look how that’s turned out 😉 |
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Post by lordb on Sept 18, 2020 6:58:11 GMT
Until the team news comes out on Sunday... He can pick whoever he wants to win the game We will now play a minimum of 50 games this season there will be lots of opportunities for the youngsters to play. |
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Post by wrighter on Sept 18, 2020 7:22:53 GMT
yes, i think he can
but no manager here will ever beat Waddo, showing my age now, just MY opinion
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Post by bgreen13 on Sept 18, 2020 7:48:31 GMT
Until the team news comes out on Sunday... He can pick whoever he wants to win the game We will now play a minimum of 50 games this season there will be lots of opportunities for the youngsters to play. Which of course is true. For most. |
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Post by elystokie on Sept 18, 2020 8:05:53 GMT
Is there no situation that you can’t draw a depressing scenario from? I woke up on January 1sr worrying about a global pandemic and football linsaud dint be daft 100 years since one of those m and look how that’s turned out 😉 Have you changed your tablets or your glasses again? Whatever it is, change back, it hasn't worked  |
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Post by chiswickpotter on Sept 18, 2020 8:30:11 GMT
Definitely is the answer. With 7 signings, 5 of which were free, he has transformed the squad into one with competition for places everywhere but full back and with some pace at last. We can now play 2 systems with variations in each one. His best achievement though is how he has managed to get improved performances out of Davies, Smith, Batth, Powell, Clucas, McClean, Vokes, Bruno, rescue Tymon and promote Campbell and Souttar. Genuinely nothing short of miraculous. A long way to go but so far staggeringly good management of the whole playing staff and culture of the club
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Sept 18, 2020 9:03:06 GMT
If he can find a M Stein or Biggins, then yes.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2020 9:38:16 GMT
If he can find a M Stein or Biggins, then yes. Mick Mills signing Of course he can be as popular.Macari never tookus out of this division and if O'Neill does then why shouldn't he ? |
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Post by Pugsley on Sept 18, 2020 9:43:26 GMT
MoN is building something to be proud of and believe in. What I really liked last night was that Brown got mobbed by all his team mates after the goal. Showed that team spirit is alive and well.
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Post by mickstupp on Sept 18, 2020 9:45:27 GMT
MoN is building something to be proud of and believe in. What I really liked last night was that Brown got mobbed by all his team mates after the goal. Showed that team spirit is alive and well. Good spot Pugs 👍 |
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Post by mickstupp on Sept 18, 2020 9:46:47 GMT
Let’s drag this thread back up if we lose on Sunday 😂
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2020 9:58:33 GMT
Let’s drag this thread back up if we lose on Sunday 😂 Or any game we lose in the next few weeks as the knives will be out as they were before kickoff yesterday by a couple |
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 18, 2020 10:02:51 GMT
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Post by surreystokie on Sept 18, 2020 10:17:08 GMT
Agree Pugs. Mobbed by every single outfielder. Who says we don’t have pace?🤗? Wonderful to see and even better to know that it was well earned.
Agree with every word Chiswickpotter. The Times They are A-Changin’...(Bob Dylan for you youngsters)
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Post by followyoudown on Sept 18, 2020 10:32:06 GMT
MoN is building something to be proud of and believe in. What I really liked last night was that Brown got mobbed by all his team mates after the goal. Showed that team spirit is alive and well. Yep and Tyrese who could have been miffed about not playing or not being subbed on was first onto the pitch to celebrate with him. |
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Post by mickstupp on Sept 18, 2020 10:35:54 GMT
Let’s drag this thread back up if we lose on Sunday 😂 Or any game we lose in the next few weeks as the knives will be out as they were before kickoff yesterday by a couple It’s because he lacks the “relevant experience” |
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Sept 18, 2020 15:36:44 GMT
Has he offered "nello" a job yet? He may have trouble getting past the Neil Baldwin F.C. chairman to get Neil back on the bench. As NBFC Chairman I am happy to give MON permission to talk to Nello but I warn that it will take about £10m to prize away our best asset 😂 |
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Post by markby on Sept 18, 2020 15:38:00 GMT
You also have to consider that if O'Neill is massively successful, richer more glamorous clubs will try to poach him. It's very rare for managers these days to stay at a club for long. Pulis spent 10 years with our club because he's an unlikable divisive character playing unlikeable divisive football, so he didn't attract other suitors. Prediction: O'Neill will be sacked or pushed out eventually. If Eddie Howe could be pushed out after what he achieved with Bournemouth, then anyone can be. That doesn't mean he won't be remembered fondly by fans as time passes though. Macari was sacked. According to posts on this board, there were "Waddington out" signs. Now they're both considered club legends. The lens of history often doesn't match the lens of the moment. Agree with your opening sentiment ("Waaaaaaaaaay too early to judge").
Re your 1st para (above), imo so long as he's progressing as a manager and the club is keeping up with that progress (money, ambition, resources etc), then he's one of those people who's far more inclined to stay unless something drives him out, rather than the type who will leave as soon as a "better" offer comes his way (Understands that the "Grass isn't always greener" bascally).
Re your 2nd para (Prediction), even if results take a downturn and/or sentiment in the Boardroom turns against him, he'll recognise that before anyone else. In which case he'll walk first - it's a matter of self-respect, but also respect for his employer.
Remember, after his first 20 months in the NI job, when the results (though not the performances) were really terrible, he was humble enough to ask his captain Steven Davis and some of the other senior players whether he should continue. They assured him that he still had the Dressing Room with him and he stayed. Then when he was successful he stayed on even when other, ostensibly more attractive, offers were on the table.
But if the players hadn't backed him earlier, I don't think he'd have hung around for a pay-off while looking for another "out" on the sly, like a lot of managers. He'd have done the honourable thing and walked.
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Post by heworksardtho on Sept 18, 2020 15:48:54 GMT
No
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2020 15:53:39 GMT
He’d take a job at Celtic in a heart beat, that’s for sure.
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Post by markby on Sept 18, 2020 16:15:42 GMT
He’d take a job at Celtic in a heart beat, that’s for sure. What makes you say that?
Off the top of my head I can think of half a dozen reasons why he wouldn't, but you go first.
(P.S. Clicked the "Like" button on your post instead of the "Quote" button and can't see how to reverse it. Sorry)
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Post by lordb on Sept 18, 2020 17:16:21 GMT
He’d take a job at Celtic in a heart beat, that’s for sure. What makes you say that? Off the top of my head I can think of half a dozen reasons why he wouldn't, but you go first. (P.S. Clicked the "Like" button on your post instead of the "Quote" button and can't see how to reverse it. Sorry)
Just click like again again |
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Post by gawa on Sept 18, 2020 17:30:10 GMT
I would be very surprised to see Michael manage Celtic.
I'd personally hold no resentment against him but I think there probably would be a number of NI fans which wouldn't be too happy. And understandably Michael has earned the right to do what he wants but because of his character, I think it's a job he'd avoid due to the politics which surround it.
I think he takes pride in his work and to have taken stoke this far, I think he'd like to see how much further he could go with the squad.
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Post by BristolMick on Sept 18, 2020 17:53:56 GMT
Waaay too early. O'Neill would have to achieve promotion and stay up for a few years to even begin that discussion. But even then, it's far from a sure thing. Fans were very hopeful with Hughes the first few seasons, and he did indeed provide a lot of enjoyment. But look how it ended. Pulis's achievements with us were IMMENSE. His years will go down as a golden era. He might one day get a suite or something named after him. But it also ended on a sour note. While there are die hard eternal Pulis devotees, there are also die hard eternal Pulis haters. You also have to consider that if O'Neill is massively successful, richer more glamorous clubs will try to poach him. It's very rare for managers these days to stay at a club for long. Pulis spent 10 years with our club because he's an unlikable divisive character playing unlikeable divisive football, so he didn't attract other suitors. Prediction: O'Neill will be sacked or pushed out eventually. If Eddie Howe could be pushed out after what he achieved with Bournemouth, then anyone can be. That doesn't mean he won't be remembered fondly by fans as time passes though. Macari was sacked. According to posts on this board, there were "Waddington out" signs. Now they're both considered club legends. The lens of history often doesn't match the lens of the moment. The lens of history often doesn’t match the lens of the moment is a very wise observation, not just about football but about all things in life! However, you have misrepresented the lens of the moment with Mark Hughes. There was never much chance he would ever be revered like Macari if for no other reason than Pulis wasn’t revered either. As you correctly point out Pulis had his haters as well as his devotees. It became polarised, it became toxic, fans became openly hostile to each other whenever his name came up. Fans had an anger with each other that was always bubbling just below the surface. When Pulis left half the fan base wanted to party and the other half felt bereaved and also maybe betrayed by their so say fellow fans who were overjoyed with his demise. Into that atmosphere enter left stage Leslie Mark Hughes. All of the partying fans enthusiastically supported him, and all those that were grieving for Pulis hated him and were on his case the moment anything went wrong, seemingly wanting him to fail. Wanting him to fail not just because they wanted Pulis back but also to spite the fans supporting Hughes many of whom had been Pulis’s biggest detractors. The polarisation that was created by Pulis was still burning bright throughout his successors tenure. Only now after the quickfire failure of 3 further managers do we have a manager that is actually bringing the fan base back together. Like Macari he has a focus, and a style that most fans can fall in behind. Decisions appear logical, focussed and delivered with respect to all those affected . I agree it’s early days but MoN is already uniting the players and the fans like Pulis or Hughes never did. BM |
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Post by David Brent on Sept 18, 2020 17:56:56 GMT
He’s the first manager that has united the fanbase since Macari. BM Pulis? |
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Post by BristolMick on Sept 18, 2020 18:06:55 GMT
He’s the first manager that has united the fanbase since Macari. BM Pulis? See post above Sean 😀 |
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Post by RAF on Sept 18, 2020 18:29:29 GMT
The Macari years were the greatest for me.
Not in terms of achievement but for the togetherness and comrardary.
I remember the Waddo years fondly as that is when I was passed the baton from my Grandad but I was too young to fully enjoy what I was seeing.
Other managers came and went.
Pulis came, did great things but I never took to the bloke, I'm not going into it again, it's one of those personal opinions about his character.
Hughes was great for 3 seasons and I saw some of the best football we have ever played, but should have gone 12 months previous before relegation.
MON, no bullshit,methodical , direct ( in his honesty) and looks like the bloke to take us forward.
I'm as happy as I've been for some time.
H
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Post by march4 on Sept 18, 2020 18:38:14 GMT
He’s the first manager that has united the fanbase since Macari. BM Pulis? Apart from the usual 200, TP was revered by the rest. |
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