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Post by crapslinger on Sept 15, 2020 11:42:27 GMT
Excellent post. Bang on the money. The point about progress is interesting, changes have taken place (though we started from a very dark place) I think if we really want progress then there is a need perhaps to look more at ourselves and consider how we can contribute to that positively rather than habitually pointing the fingers at others all of the time and going apeshit about what we consider are their misgivings. It's always tempting to feed our egos around what we consider are other people's faults and issues as a deflection from whats going on inside. It doesn't mean that injustices should not be addressed but this is a t-shirt we are talking about its not a bomb or an explosive. Attachment Deleted What is your stance on these t-shirts/stab vests, is this the progress you talk about, do you agree with the changes they are calling for ?
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 15, 2020 11:48:28 GMT
No further action from FIA say Sky Sports
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Post by The battheader chronicles on Sept 15, 2020 11:49:57 GMT
The point about progress is interesting, changes have taken place (though we started from a very dark place) I think if we really want progress then there is a need perhaps to look more at ourselves and consider how we can contribute to that positively rather than habitually pointing the fingers at others all of the time and going apeshit about what we consider are their misgivings. It's always tempting to feed our egos around what we consider are other people's faults and issues as a deflection from whats going on inside. It doesn't mean that injustices should not be addressed but this is a t-shirt we are talking about its not a bomb or an explosive. View Attachment What is your stance on these t-shirts/stab vests, is this the progress you talk about, do you agree with the changes they are calling for ? Ok I’m going to need some context here 😂 are those BLM protesters?
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Post by cobhamstokey on Sept 15, 2020 12:12:50 GMT
Excellent post. Bang on the money. The point about progress is interesting, changes have taken place (though we started from a very dark place) I think if we really want progress then there is a need perhaps to look more at ourselves and consider how we can contribute to that positively rather than habitually pointing the fingers at others all of the time and going apeshit about what we consider are their misgivings. It's always tempting to feed our egos around what we consider are other people's faults and issues as a deflection from whats going on inside. It doesn't mean that injustices should not be addressed but this is a t-shirt we are talking about its not a bomb or an explosive. You’re very right about not over reacting. This has been the biggest problem on a lot of the threads on here. Lots of psycho analysing and accusing without any substance. This is why this thread is so refreshing. Like in the wider world it’s a case of those that shout loudest getting the attention when the actual sensible route is somewhere in the middle which is where 95 percent of the population sit.
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Post by longdistancekiddie on Sept 15, 2020 12:13:04 GMT
[br And King Edward and other members of the English ruling class went to functions and parties with Hitler and the Nazi's party. what has that got to do with Lewis Hamilton, he's been funded by at least two international giant corporations who were associated with the Nazi Party, Mercedes built the gas chambers FFS where millions died including slaves, BAME, disabled people etc. he doesn't seem to have any issues taking the money off them though. And the English King etc was associated with the Nazi's party. 😂😉😉😂
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Post by The battheader chronicles on Sept 15, 2020 12:15:21 GMT
The point about progress is interesting, changes have taken place (though we started from a very dark place) I think if we really want progress then there is a need perhaps to look more at ourselves and consider how we can contribute to that positively rather than habitually pointing the fingers at others all of the time and going apeshit about what we consider are their misgivings. It's always tempting to feed our egos around what we consider are other people's faults and issues as a deflection from whats going on inside. It doesn't mean that injustices should not be addressed but this is a t-shirt we are talking about its not a bomb or an explosive. You’re very right about not over reacting. This has been the biggest problem on a lot of the threads on here. Lots of psycho analysing and accusing without any substance. This is why this thread is so refreshing. Like in the wider world it’s a case of those that shout loudest getting the attention when the actual sensible route is somewhere in the middle which is where 95 percent of the population sit. Exactly
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Post by wagsastokie on Sept 15, 2020 12:28:03 GMT
Some good points made on this thread. I watched some of the NFL at the weekend and found it interesting the discussions on that between different networks. On Sky (who I will say present their coverage of the sport excellently) they were discussing the protests and social injustice and all pundits were on board with the "narrative" slating anybody with a different viewpoint and that they need educating on the issues. One pundit mentioned systematic racism and violence by the police against black people in the US and UK??? Sky have already previously done a very minor apology after Mike Wedderburns BLM rant when he stated grossly incorrect numbers of black people that had died in police custody in the UK after millions had already watched the clip. So Sky presenters can make unsubstantiated claims of systematic racism without knowledge or back up, but it's people who dont agree with the narrative that have opinions based on fact and knowledge that need educating??? Their was a discussion on the BBC NFL show hosted by Chappers and I was amazed to listen to a fair and balanced discussion on the BBC. Osi Umenyiora who is a pundit and 2 x Superbowl winner, English born of Nigerian Heritage gave a very balanced viewpoint on why he could never take the knee. The clip is available online and well worth a watch of peoples different opinions and how teammates with different views on the issue can find a mutual way to show their stance and respecting each other. Was worth nothing Osi opening words were "I will probably be cancelled for saying this" Much more discussion like this needs to be heard rather than what is usually a one way street peddled by the MSM of if you dont conform and agree your racist and uneducated. Massive strides have been made in sport and society against racism in my lifetime, but some of the BLM movement actions has caused divide where there was previously none. And by the way Lewis Hamilton is a twat. That's an informed opinion and nothing to do with race. Educating isn't that what china's claims its up to with the Chinese Muslims
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Post by The battheader chronicles on Sept 15, 2020 12:42:30 GMT
Some good points made on this thread. I watched some of the NFL at the weekend and found it interesting the discussions on that between different networks. On Sky (who I will say present their coverage of the sport excellently) they were discussing the protests and social injustice and all pundits were on board with the "narrative" slating anybody with a different viewpoint and that they need educating on the issues. One pundit mentioned systematic racism and violence by the police against black people in the US and UK??? Sky have already previously done a very minor apology after Mike Wedderburns BLM rant when he stated grossly incorrect numbers of black people that had died in police custody in the UK after millions had already watched the clip. So Sky presenters can make unsubstantiated claims of systematic racism without knowledge or back up, but it's people who dont agree with the narrative that have opinions based on fact and knowledge that need educating??? Their was a discussion on the BBC NFL show hosted by Chappers and I was amazed to listen to a fair and balanced discussion on the BBC. Osi Umenyiora who is a pundit and 2 x Superbowl winner, English born of Nigerian Heritage gave a very balanced viewpoint on why he could never take the knee. The clip is available online and well worth a watch of peoples different opinions and how teammates with different views on the issue can find a mutual way to show their stance and respecting each other. Was worth nothing Osi opening words were "I will probably be cancelled for saying this" Much more discussion like this needs to be heard rather than what is usually a one way street peddled by the MSM of if you dont conform and agree your racist and uneducated. Massive strides have been made in sport and society against racism in my lifetime, but some of the BLM movement actions has caused divide where there was previously none. And by the way Lewis Hamilton is a twat. That's an informed opinion and nothing to do with race. Just dugout that NFL clip. Absolutely outstanding and puts more eloquently some of the points of nuance I have tried to make here People are entitled to thier own personal choice and shouldn’t be belittled for holding different believes so long as they are open to good natured debate and discussion which is always useful in advancing society Also, blimey Chappers is a great host/presenter
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Post by GeneralFaye on Sept 15, 2020 12:54:33 GMT
No further action from FIA say Sky Sports So the FIA agree with the slogan, sweet.
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Post by spitthedog on Sept 15, 2020 13:10:19 GMT
The point about progress is interesting, changes have taken place (though we started from a very dark place) I think if we really want progress then there is a need perhaps to look more at ourselves and consider how we can contribute to that positively rather than habitually pointing the fingers at others all of the time and going apeshit about what we consider are their misgivings. It's always tempting to feed our egos around what we consider are other people's faults and issues as a deflection from whats going on inside. It doesn't mean that injustices should not be addressed but this is a t-shirt we are talking about its not a bomb or an explosive. View Attachment What is your stance on these t-shirts/stab vests, is this the progress you talk about, do you agree with the changes they are calling for ? a) I haven't got any stance on a random photo especially with a complete lack of context...I suppose I always ask myself... do I really need to have a stance on this and in what way is it helpful to anyone? (and can I please request please refrain yourself from googling and bombarding us with a host of other random propagandist photos) b) My reference to progress was partly based on experiencing things like less bananas being thrown on a football pitch than there were when I started going to games, people not being beaten up at school everyday for being Pakis and gays (like when I was at school) That was the context and there seems to have been a bit of progress there. Progress does not mean that everything is perfect, it is not. But mostly my reference to progress referred to ways as individuals we can contribute to progress that is IF we have can establish shared objectives like peacefulness, tolerance, caring, equality, mutual respect, empathy and love towards other human beings. I really liked the previous posters point about us all being in different places regarding values relating to what we perceive as progress and us all being more accepting of that. I will take it as my objective to fulfil this as much as I can. (Thank you battheader chronicles for that point!) c) I have no idea what changes this random group of people are calling for (was this taken up Hanley btw?) and based on your historical posts unfortunately I think I would be naive to trust you as a source (can I again request you to refrain from bombarding us with other googled random/divisive/non-contextualised propagandist images)
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Post by spitthedog on Sept 15, 2020 13:13:57 GMT
No further action from FIA say Sky Sports So the FIA agree with the slogan, sweet. That's one assumption. Another way of looking at is that they didn't think it was a big deal.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Sept 15, 2020 13:18:18 GMT
No further action from FIA say Sky Sports So the FIA agree with the slogan, sweet. I’d be intrigued to know how much he actually knows about the case? I have to say I hadn’t heard about it before today. Just been reading up on it. So I now know. From what I’ve seen I don’t think it’s as cut and dry as he maybe thinks. It’s all about opinion I guess. Interesting that from reading it you can get 2 totally different opinions on what happened.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 15, 2020 13:39:01 GMT
So the FIA agree with the slogan, sweet. That's one assumption. Another way of looking at is that they didn't think it was a big deal. Whilst they are taking no action against Hamilton I believe they are reviewing their policies on clothing etc so I imagine stuff like this will be banned from now on. I think🤔
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 15, 2020 13:39:22 GMT
what has that got to do with Lewis Hamilton, he's been funded by at least two international giant corporations who were associated with the Nazi Party, Mercedes built the gas chambers FFS where millions died including slaves, BAME, disabled people etc. he doesn't seem to have any issues taking the money off them though. And the English King etc was associated with the Nazi's party. 😂😉😉😂
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 15, 2020 13:46:31 GMT
So the FIA agree with the slogan, sweet. That's one assumption. Another way of looking at is that they didn't think it was a big deal. Another precedent set another rule broken law breaker ignored becoming a thing nowadays
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 15, 2020 13:50:35 GMT
What is your stance on these t-shirts/stab vests, is this the progress you talk about, do you agree with the changes they are calling for ? a) I haven't got any stance on a random photo especially with a complete lack of context...I suppose I always ask myself... do I really need to have a stance on this and in what way is it helpful to anyone? (and can I please request please refrain yourself from googling and bombarding us with a host of other random propagandist photos) b) My reference to progress was partly based on experiencing things like less bananas being thrown on a football pitch than there were when I started going to games, people not being beaten up at school everyday for being Pakis and gays (like when I was at school) That was the context and there seems to have been a bit of progress there. Progress does not mean that everything is perfect, it is not. But mostly my reference to progress referred to ways as individuals we can contribute to progress that is IF we have can establish shared objectives like peacefulness, tolerance, caring, equality, mutual respect, empathy and love towards other human beings. I really liked the previous posters point about us all being in different places regarding values relating to what we perceive as progress and us all being more accepting of that. I will take it as my objective to fulfil this as much as I can. (Thank you battheader chronicles for that point!) c) I have no idea what changes this random group of people are calling for (was this taken up Hanley btw?) and based on your historical posts unfortunately I think I would be naive to trust you as a source (can I again request you to refrain from bombarding us with other googled random/divisive/non-contextualised propagandist images) Brixton London duck wannabe paramilitary's in black shirts breaking the law of the land marching on UK streets, I will let you educate yourself regarding their intentions in relation to change it might give you an insight into what this organisation really stands for
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Post by The battheader chronicles on Sept 15, 2020 15:21:05 GMT
View Attachment What is your stance on these t-shirts/stab vests, is this the progress you talk about, do you agree with the changes they are calling for ? a) I haven't got any stance on a random photo especially with a complete lack of context...I suppose I always ask myself... do I really need to have a stance on this and in what way is it helpful to anyone? (and can I please request please refrain yourself from googling and bombarding us with a host of other random propagandist photos) b) My reference to progress was partly based on experiencing things like less bananas being thrown on a football pitch than there were when I started going to games, people not being beaten up at school everyday for being Pakis and gays (like when I was at school) That was the context and there seems to have been a bit of progress there. Progress does not mean that everything is perfect, it is not. But mostly my reference to progress referred to ways as individuals we can contribute to progress that is IF we have can establish shared objectives like peacefulness, tolerance, caring, equality, mutual respect, empathy and love towards other human beings. I really liked the previous posters point about us all being in different places regarding values relating to what we perceive as progress and us all being more accepting of that. I will take it as my objective to fulfil this as much as I can. (Thank you battheader chronicles for that point!) c) I have no idea what changes this random group of people are calling for (was this taken up Hanley btw?) and based on your historical posts unfortunately I think I would be naive to trust you as a source (can I again request you to refrain from bombarding us with other googled random/divisive/non-contextualised propagandist images) BOOM well said man
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Post by The battheader chronicles on Sept 15, 2020 15:23:04 GMT
a) I haven't got any stance on a random photo especially with a complete lack of context...I suppose I always ask myself... do I really need to have a stance on this and in what way is it helpful to anyone? (and can I please request please refrain yourself from googling and bombarding us with a host of other random propagandist photos) b) My reference to progress was partly based on experiencing things like less bananas being thrown on a football pitch than there were when I started going to games, people not being beaten up at school everyday for being Pakis and gays (like when I was at school) That was the context and there seems to have been a bit of progress there. Progress does not mean that everything is perfect, it is not. But mostly my reference to progress referred to ways as individuals we can contribute to progress that is IF we have can establish shared objectives like peacefulness, tolerance, caring, equality, mutual respect, empathy and love towards other human beings. I really liked the previous posters point about us all being in different places regarding values relating to what we perceive as progress and us all being more accepting of that. I will take it as my objective to fulfil this as much as I can. (Thank you battheader chronicles for that point!) c) I have no idea what changes this random group of people are calling for (was this taken up Hanley btw?) and based on your historical posts unfortunately I think I would be naive to trust you as a source (can I again request you to refrain from bombarding us with other googled random/divisive/non-contextualised propagandist images) Brixton London duck wannabe paramilitary's in black shirts breaking the law of the land marching on UK streets, I will let you educate yourself regarding their intentions in relation to change it might give you an insight into what this organisation really stands for You can support the movement and not the organisation they’re 2 separate entities at least to me they are
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Sept 15, 2020 15:29:55 GMT
I have a lot of respect for Lewis Hamilton and think he does his best for issues he believes are important, and his ultimate aim surrounding BLM is a more inclusive world for everyone. He is great for F1 and sport in general. It's good that people with his profile raise awareness about important issues. I hadn't heard of the case referred to on Hamilton's shirt until I saw it so don't know about the intricacies of that, but he does give me the impression he considers things carefully before he does them, which wasn't always the case in his younger days. No one is perfect of course, and he could be wrong in this instance. However, at a time when parts of the world were forgetting about BLM, Hamilton has brought it to everyone's attention again. I'm not sure I'd feel comfortable taking the knee in support of BLM, though I do support BLM and any group of people who have faced and continue to be undermined and face injustice. I didn't clap for the NHS - these things can be empty gestures to me. It doesn't mean I don't respect NHS and key workers massively. People should be free to support things in their own way without people going OTT about it. I wouldn't criticise anyone who takes the knee or clapped for the NHS, though criticism can be important of course. If I was an F1 driver, I'd speak with Lewis Hamilton, ask what he thinks I could do to help, and I'm pretty sure he'd respect that whether I took the knee or not. As Osi Umenyiora said in the BBC segment mentioned in this thread, BLM can be an uncomfortable subject for anyone to talk about, so I did disagree slightly with Lewis Hamilton's comments seemingly criticising all other F1 drivers when this season started, though he'd know better than me of course. thevoid BLM protests were happening in the UK years before George Floyd's death e.g. www.buzzfeednews.com/article/susiearmitage/2016-was-the-year-black-lives-matter-went-globalThe battheader chronicles This may be the most liberal time to be alive but that doesn't mean there isn't a long way to go. Homosexuality wasn't actually made legal across the UK in 1967. It was still illegal in the Isle of Man until the 90s, for example. The age of consent wasn't lowered to 16 (to be the same as male-female) until 2001, a time when sex between more than two males was also illegal. And when was homosexuality made illegal in the UK? Maybe there was a time before when the UK (or whatever it was called at the time) was more tolerant of homosexuality and certain things but not others (like trying women as witches). I'd also argue the Internet is making people more divided. On the Internet, you can believe anything you want to and find your group of people (flat-earthers, for example). There is still a lot of intolerance and divide (that people like Trump are making worse), and people are probably 'less liberal' in the hidden away places and their own groups rather than normal conversation you mention. Even in not-so-hidden places, black people are regularly racially abused with words like nigger - social media and online gaming, for example. So while in the "real world," obvious racist abuse seems less, online it certainly isn't - suggesting the problem isn't really improving.
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Post by The battheader chronicles on Sept 15, 2020 15:34:47 GMT
I have a lot of respect for Lewis Hamilton and think he does his best for issues he believes are important, and his ultimate aim surrounding BLM is a more inclusive world for everyone. He is great for F1 and sport in general. It's good that people with his profile raise awareness about important issues. I hadn't heard of the case referred to on Hamilton's shirt until I saw it so don't know about the intricacies of that, but he does give me the impression he considers things carefully before he does them, which wasn't always the case in his younger days. No one is perfect of course, and he could be wrong in this instance. However, at a time when parts of the world were forgetting about BLM, Hamilton has brought it to everyone's attention again. I'm not sure I'd feel comfortable taking the knee in support of BLM, though I do support BLM and any group of people who have faced and continue to be undermined and face injustice. I didn't clap for the NHS - these things can be empty gestures to me. It doesn't mean I don't respect NHS and key workers massively. People should be free to support things in their own way without people going OTT about it. I wouldn't criticise anyone who takes the knee or clapped for the NHS, though criticism can be important of course. If I was an F1 driver, I'd speak with Lewis Hamilton, ask what he thinks I could do to help, and I'm pretty sure he'd respect that whether I took the knee or not. As Osi Umenyiora said in the BBC segment mentioned in this thread, BLM can be an uncomfortable subject for anyone to talk about, so I did disagree slightly with Lewis Hamilton's comments seemingly criticising all other F1 drivers when this season started, though he'd know better than me of course. thevoid BLM protests were happening in the UK years before George Floyd's death e.g. www.buzzfeednews.com/article/susiearmitage/2016-was-the-year-black-lives-matter-went-globalThe battheader chronicles This may be the most liberal time to be alive but that doesn't mean there isn't a long way to go. Homosexuality wasn't actually made legal across the UK in 1967. It was still illegal in the Isle of Man until the 90s, for example. The age of consent wasn't lowered to 16 (to be the same as male-female) until 2001, a time when sex between more than two males was also illegal. And when was homosexuality made illegal in the UK? Maybe there was a time before when the UK (or whatever it was called at the time) was more tolerant of homosexuality and certain things but not others (like trying women as witches). I'd also argue the Internet is making people more divided. On the Internet, you can believe anything you want to and find your group of people (flat-earthers, for example). There is still a lot of intolerance and divide (that people like Trump are making worse), and people are probably 'less liberal' in the hidden away places and their own groups rather than normal conversation you mention. Even in not-so-hidden places, black people are regularly racially abused with words like nigger - social media and online gaming, for example. So while in the "real world," obvious racist abuse seems less, online it certainly isn't - suggesting the problem isn't really improving. Oh I agree we’ve still got a long way to progress. Social media like you say makes the problems worse where everyone is more or less getting they’re own facts. There seems to be very little objective truth anymore which is a big problem
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 15, 2020 15:38:01 GMT
a) I haven't got any stance on a random photo especially with a complete lack of context...I suppose I always ask myself... do I really need to have a stance on this and in what way is it helpful to anyone? (and can I please request please refrain yourself from googling and bombarding us with a host of other random propagandist photos) b) My reference to progress was partly based on experiencing things like less bananas being thrown on a football pitch than there were when I started going to games, people not being beaten up at school everyday for being Pakis and gays (like when I was at school) That was the context and there seems to have been a bit of progress there. Progress does not mean that everything is perfect, it is not. But mostly my reference to progress referred to ways as individuals we can contribute to progress that is IF we have can establish shared objectives like peacefulness, tolerance, caring, equality, mutual respect, empathy and love towards other human beings. I really liked the previous posters point about us all being in different places regarding values relating to what we perceive as progress and us all being more accepting of that. I will take it as my objective to fulfil this as much as I can. (Thank you battheader chronicles for that point!) c) I have no idea what changes this random group of people are calling for (was this taken up Hanley btw?) and based on your historical posts unfortunately I think I would be naive to trust you as a source (can I again request you to refrain from bombarding us with other googled random/divisive/non-contextualised propagandist images) BOOM well said man You have the context do you agree with law breaking and stirring racial tensions on our streets ! BOOM could well be very apt.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Sept 15, 2020 15:49:50 GMT
I have a lot of respect for Lewis Hamilton and think he does his best for issues he believes are important, and his ultimate aim surrounding BLM is a more inclusive world for everyone. He is great for F1 and sport in general. It's good that people with his profile raise awareness about important issues. I hadn't heard of the case referred to on Hamilton's shirt until I saw it so don't know about the intricacies of that, but he does give me the impression he considers things carefully before he does them, which wasn't always the case in his younger days. No one is perfect of course, and he could be wrong in this instance. However, at a time when parts of the world were forgetting about BLM, Hamilton has brought it to everyone's attention again. I'm not sure I'd feel comfortable taking the knee in support of BLM, though I do support BLM and any group of people who have faced and continue to be undermined and face injustice. I didn't clap for the NHS - these things can be empty gestures to me. It doesn't mean I don't respect NHS and key workers massively. People should be free to support things in their own way without people going OTT about it. I wouldn't criticise anyone who takes the knee or clapped for the NHS, though criticism can be important of course. If I was an F1 driver, I'd speak with Lewis Hamilton, ask what he thinks I could do to help, and I'm pretty sure he'd respect that whether I took the knee or not. As Osi Umenyiora said in the BBC segment mentioned in this thread, BLM can be an uncomfortable subject for anyone to talk about, so I did disagree slightly with Lewis Hamilton's comments seemingly criticising all other F1 drivers when this season started, though he'd know better than me of course. thevoid BLM protests were happening in the UK years before George Floyd's death e.g. www.buzzfeednews.com/article/susiearmitage/2016-was-the-year-black-lives-matter-went-globalThe battheader chronicles This may be the most liberal time to be alive but that doesn't mean there isn't a long way to go. Homosexuality wasn't actually made legal across the UK in 1967. It was still illegal in the Isle of Man until the 90s, for example. The age of consent wasn't lowered to 16 (to be the same as male-female) until 2001, a time when sex between more than two males was also illegal. And when was homosexuality made illegal in the UK? Maybe there was a time before when the UK (or whatever it was called at the time) was more tolerant of homosexuality and certain things but not others (like trying women as witches). I'd also argue the Internet is making people more divided. On the Internet, you can believe anything you want to and find your group of people (flat-earthers, for example). There is still a lot of intolerance and divide (that people like Trump are making worse), and people are probably 'less liberal' in the hidden away places and their own groups rather than normal conversation you mention. Even in not-so-hidden places, black people are regularly racially abused with words like nigger - social media and online gaming, for example. So while in the "real world," obvious racist abuse seems less, online it certainly isn't - suggesting the problem isn't really improving. I think almost everyone opposes racism including me. It’s just about getting the balance right. In the case of Mr Hamilton, like everyone he should have a voice but in the same way that he says what he thinks others should be able to have opposing views without being castigated. The issue at the moment in my opinion is that in the case of the press things seems to be very unbalanced. As posted by someone earlier I watched the full body cam footage of the George Floyd killing (not the 2 min edited CNN version) and I have to say If most people saw it their views would probably change. It’s still very hard viewing but certainly portrays a very different story to what MSM have portrayed, as someone posted earlier. As in the case of a number of recent incidents we’re only getting to hear one side of the story a lot at the moment so it’s impossible to know what really happened.
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Post by The battheader chronicles on Sept 15, 2020 15:51:36 GMT
You have the context do you agree with law breaking and stirring racial tensions on our streets ! BOOM could well be very apt. Ok so when it comes to racial tension many people involved in the BLM movement ( which as I’ve stated above is imo different to the organisation) just want to see racial equality and improvements where possible on this specific march I don’t know if they were breaking things or what they were chanting, I wasn’t there I was probably watching the cricket or something 😂
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 15, 2020 16:01:59 GMT
You have the context do you agree with law breaking and stirring racial tensions on our streets ! BOOM could well be very apt. Ok so when it comes to racial tension many people involved in the BLM movement ( which as I’ve stated above is imo different to the organisation) just want to see racial equality and improvements where possible on this specific march I don’t know if they were breaking things or what they were chanting, I wasn’t there I was probably watching the cricket or something 😂 It is against the law to march in Paramilitary uniform on the streets of the UK but not one of these fellas was arrested in this case the organisation and their aims overshadows the BLM movement, this organisation is deep-rooted in Marxism and anarchy, you really do nee to educate yourself on this subject.
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Post by The battheader chronicles on Sept 15, 2020 16:04:03 GMT
Ok so when it comes to racial tension many people involved in the BLM movement ( which as I’ve stated above is imo different to the organisation) just want to see racial equality and improvements where possible on this specific march I don’t know if they were breaking things or what they were chanting, I wasn’t there I was probably watching the cricket or something 😂 It is against the law to march in Paramilitary uniform on the streets of the UK but not one of these fellas was arrested in this case the organisation and their aims overshadows the BLM movement, this organisation is deep-rooted in Marxism and anarchy, you really do nee to educate yourself on this subject. in this case the organisation and their aims overshadows the BLM movement In your opinion that is, personally I don’t like the organisation but am able to separate that from the movement which I support in general
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Post by followyoudown on Sept 15, 2020 16:09:28 GMT
That's one assumption. Another way of looking at is that they didn't think it was a big deal. Another precedent set another rule broken law breaker ignored becoming a thing nowadays To be fair none of the fuckers stick to the speed limit so whats a t-shirt in the scheme of things F1 is wank anyway but regardless provided you are not breaking the actual law people should be free to wear what the fuck they want, its no business of governments so its certainly no business of FIA or FIFA or anyone.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Sept 15, 2020 16:19:24 GMT
Another precedent set another rule broken law breaker ignored becoming a thing nowadays To be fair none of the fuckers stick to the speed limit so whats a t-shirt in the scheme of things F1 is wank anyway but regardless provided you are not breaking the actual law people should be free to wear what the fuck they want, its no business of governments so its certainly no business of FIA or FIFA or anyone. I guess it’s setting a precident. The problem may be if another driver decides to wear a shirt with a right wing view. What do they do then? It’s like a merry go round.
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Post by The battheader chronicles on Sept 15, 2020 16:24:19 GMT
To be fair none of the fuckers stick to the speed limit so whats a t-shirt in the scheme of things F1 is wank anyway but regardless provided you are not breaking the actual law people should be free to wear what the fuck they want, its no business of governments so its certainly no business of FIA or FIFA or anyone. I guess it’s setting a precident. The problem may be if another driver decides to wear a shirt with a right wing view. What do they do then? It’s like a merry go round. Hopefully they don’t do anything people should be free to express whatever view they choose Although now I just have an image of Sebastian vettel unveiling a T-shirt with Morgan Friedman on it, which is an interesting image 😂
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Post by followyoudown on Sept 15, 2020 16:25:30 GMT
To be fair none of the fuckers stick to the speed limit so whats a t-shirt in the scheme of things F1 is wank anyway but regardless provided you are not breaking the actual law people should be free to wear what the fuck they want, its no business of governments so its certainly no business of FIA or FIFA or anyone. I guess it’s setting a precident. The problem may be if another driver decides to wear a shirt with a right wing view. What do they do then? It’s like a merry go round. If its not breaking the law its none of their business for me, people and sponsors can judge them on what they choose to wear and not buy the tat they sell / promote if it offends them.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Sept 15, 2020 16:36:27 GMT
I guess it’s setting a precident. The problem may be if another driver decides to wear a shirt with a right wing view. What do they do then? It’s like a merry go round. If its not breaking the law its none of their business for me, people and sponsors can judge them on what they choose to wear and not buy the tat they sell / promote if it offends them. Provided it's only breaking the law in a very specific and limited way it's absolutely fine...
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