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Post by chigstoke on Sept 18, 2020 17:16:39 GMT
For anyone in the business of buying replicas, you’ll want the Noob V10 if you’re into Submariners. They run around $478 but I challenge you to find the major differences to a genuine without doing a deep dive into the watch. A lot of people have the generic assumptions that replicas are all quartz, they aren’t. At minimum, a cheap rep will usually always at least have a 2813 movement, high end will usually have a 2824/2826, 2836, 3135 movement or better. The 2813 being 6bps and the rest being 8bps, as per the genuine tick rate of your Rollies, Omegas etc...
Most tag reps will have Valjoux A7750’s because of the chronometers. Breitling, IWC or other luxury manufacturer reps will use a variety of movements.
I myself have a rep of the Submariner with a 3135 movement, same as the original but with a Chinese movement, and a custom dial colour. I’ve then swapped it onto a NATO strap. Looks great.
I do want a real Breitling Superocean Heritage II at some point in life though.
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Post by foster on Sept 18, 2020 17:30:37 GMT
For anyone in the business of buying replicas, you’ll want the Noob V10 if you’re into Submariners. They run around $478 but I challenge you to find the major differences to a genuine without doing a deep dive into the watch. A lot of people have the generic assumptions that replicas are all quartz, they aren’t. At minimum, a cheap rep will usually always at least have a 2813 movement, high end will usually have a 2824/2826, 2836, 3135 movement or better. The 2813 being 6bps and the rest being 8bps, as per the genuine tick rate of your Rollies, Omegas etc... Most tag reps will have Valjoux A7750’s because of the chronometers. Breitling, IWC or other luxury manufacturer reps will use a variety of movements. I myself have a rep of the Submariner with a 3135 movement, same as the original but with a Chinese movement, and a custom dial colour. I’ve then swapped it onto a NATO strap. Looks great. I do want a real Breitling Superocean Heritage II at some point in life though. A mate of mine has this, which I'm sure is fake as he'd never pay out for a real one.
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Post by chigstoke on Sept 18, 2020 18:33:32 GMT
For anyone in the business of buying replicas, you’ll want the Noob V10 if you’re into Submariners. They run around $478 but I challenge you to find the major differences to a genuine without doing a deep dive into the watch. A lot of people have the generic assumptions that replicas are all quartz, they aren’t. At minimum, a cheap rep will usually always at least have a 2813 movement, high end will usually have a 2824/2826, 2836, 3135 movement or better. The 2813 being 6bps and the rest being 8bps, as per the genuine tick rate of your Rollies, Omegas etc... Most tag reps will have Valjoux A7750’s because of the chronometers. Breitling, IWC or other luxury manufacturer reps will use a variety of movements. I myself have a rep of the Submariner with a 3135 movement, same as the original but with a Chinese movement, and a custom dial colour. I’ve then swapped it onto a NATO strap. Looks great. I do want a real Breitling Superocean Heritage II at some point in life though. A mate of mine has this, which I'm sure is fake as he'd never pay out for a real one. I think that one is a fake. The SEL's aren't flush and they're recessed which is always a dead giveaway. Usually they're flush and follow the curvature. 6 Marker looks slightly crooked but has been taken at an angle so could be the pic to be honest. Don't think date wheel is magnified right size either. Sorry for geeking out there Here's a pic of mine I got from one of the trusted dealers at the time on the RWI forums. My sub was made by BP Factory. It's a fantasy colour with the blue, but has correct fonts, magnification, good solid end links. Crap lume though, which is disappointing. Looking at 'frankensteining' it a bit with a bezel replacement from a genuine Sub. Looks great on a nato strap as well. Just needs a servicing now because it's starting to lose some time.
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Post by tuum on Sept 18, 2020 20:43:42 GMT
The two watches I've had my eye on for the past several years are: Stowa Flieger Classic 40and Sinn U1leaning more toward the Stowa though, but I'll likely never pull the lever on a purchase. Sometimes it's nicer to just want it. I guess I would say to the OP to find a nice mid-range watch (Hamilton, the nicer Seiko models, etc) and get it as a daily driver. Then when you want that little bit extra down the road, splurge and get yourself the one you want for special occasions. Case in point--I have a Breitling Colt GMT Chrono that I rarely wear. Would I buy it again? Probably not if you go by "price versus time worn" but it is a beautiful mechanical timepiece/art. My daily driver is just the Citizen Titanium Eco Drive that I put a leather Nato style strap on because it is so damn light and comfortable. Getting into watches can be highly addictive. Suggestion: look up Seiko "Land Shark" or "Orange Monster" I've never regretted buying those watches--although the Orange Monster is quite heavy. I bought a Stowa Marine Classic Limited Edition last year. Beautiful watch and Stowa customer service is spot on. Unfortunately, it lost time so I sent it back. Stowa were great in dealing with me and getting it sorted but it still isnt 100% right. I have a lot of watches so I don't wear it continuously. If I wore it for more than 3 days at a time then the accuracy would not be acceptable. For this reason I probably won't buy another Stowa.
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Post by FbrgVaStkFan on Sept 18, 2020 22:31:20 GMT
The two watches I've had my eye on for the past several years are: Stowa Flieger Classic 40and Sinn U1leaning more toward the Stowa though, but I'll likely never pull the lever on a purchase. Sometimes it's nicer to just want it. I guess I would say to the OP to find a nice mid-range watch (Hamilton, the nicer Seiko models, etc) and get it as a daily driver. Then when you want that little bit extra down the road, splurge and get yourself the one you want for special occasions. Case in point--I have a Breitling Colt GMT Chrono that I rarely wear. Would I buy it again? Probably not if you go by "price versus time worn" but it is a beautiful mechanical timepiece/art. My daily driver is just the Citizen Titanium Eco Drive that I put a leather Nato style strap on because it is so damn light and comfortable. Getting into watches can be highly addictive. Suggestion: look up Seiko "Land Shark" or "Orange Monster" I've never regretted buying those watches--although the Orange Monster is quite heavy. I bought a Stowa Marine Classic Limited Edition last year. Beautiful watch and Stowa customer service is spot on. Unfortunately, it lost time so I sent it back. Stowa were great in dealing with me and getting it sorted but it still isnt 100% right. I have a lot of watches so I don't wear it continuously. If I wore it for more than 3 days at a time then the accuracy would not be acceptable. For this reason I probably won't buy another Stowa. I have the Stowa Marine Original Roman Manual, absolutely beautiful watch and keeps time well enough for my purposes but it is not a daily driver. Sorry to hear about your issues, I find it hard to believe Mr. Schauer would let a piece leave his facilities in that condition. What kind of accuracy were you expecting -- was it minutes off or just several seconds? Unless it's a chronometer, I wouldn't expect a mechanical watch to be crazy accurate over several days (maybe +/- 15 to 20 seconds)--that's what quartz is for. Hopefully your issue is a one off.
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Post by somersetstokie on Sept 19, 2020 8:57:05 GMT
Looking at this thread is interesting from the point of view of tastes and preferences. There has been quite a spread of brand choices, and certainly some of them are less obvious. However there has been a clear focus on high specification performance models with professional capabilities, and Speedmaster, Seamaster and Submariner models feature strongly on the list.
Although I sometimes wear my Tag Heuer Carrera at weekends, my personal shout and preference for work wear is perhaps a bit different as I have a RADO True Automatic. My profession is loosely based on antiques appraisal and consultancy whilst my collecting speciality is in Staffordshire pottery. Therefore the RADO particularly appeals to me, as I like Black, but mainly because the case and bracelet is made of high tech Ceramic, so the ceramics angle and interest can be covered in a number of ways when I'm working.
Perhaps a bit quirky but it is important to me!
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Post by tuum on Sept 19, 2020 18:33:36 GMT
I bought a Stowa Marine Classic Limited Edition last year. Beautiful watch and Stowa customer service is spot on. Unfortunately, it lost time so I sent it back. Stowa were great in dealing with me and getting it sorted but it still isnt 100% right. I have a lot of watches so I don't wear it continuously. If I wore it for more than 3 days at a time then the accuracy would not be acceptable. For this reason I probably won't buy another Stowa. I have the Stowa Marine Original Roman Manual, absolutely beautiful watch and keeps time well enough for my purposes but it is not a daily driver. Sorry to hear about your issues, I find it hard to believe Mr. Schauer would let a piece leave his facilities in that condition. What kind of accuracy were you expecting -- was it minutes off or just several seconds? Unless it's a chronometer, I wouldn't expect a mechanical watch to be crazy accurate over several days (maybe +/- 15 to 20 seconds)--that's what quartz is for. Hopefully your issue is a one off. From memory. 1st time 5mins+ over 3 days. 2nd time maybe 3mins+ over 3 days. I don't have the watch with me at the moment as I am stuck in UK/Europe waiting to get home to Thailand so cannot wear it to check the accuracy of the above. I have about a dozen mechanical watches across all price ranges and the Stowa is the worst one for timekeeping. I like Stowa and their customer service but I can't be arsed sending it back again. I wear it on single occasions only so if it loses a minute through the evening I am not too concerned. Like you say, it is probably a one off.
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Post by FbrgVaStkFan on Sept 19, 2020 22:35:39 GMT
Thought I'd post a table of watch accuracy. The full article is found here: Chronocentric: Accuracy of Fine WristwatchesReasonable Accuracy Expectations Seconds gain/loss per day by Type of Watch Worst Typical Best Best Accuracy =================================================================================== Vintage mechanical watch in good repair +/-60 +/-15 +/-5 99.9826%
============================================================= Modern mechanical watchnon-certified +/-10 +/-5 +/-2 99.9942%
============================================================= Modern mechanical watchchronometer certified +6/-4 +/-3 +/-1 99.9977%
============================================================= Modern quartz watchnon-certified (normal) +/-2 +/-1 +/-0.1 99.9998%
============================================================= Modern quartz watchchronometer certified (rare) +/-0.02 +/-0.02 +/-0.0 99.9999%
============================================================= There's also this rabbit hole: Measuring mechanical watches accuracy
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Post by DunnetHeadMoonraker on Sept 27, 2020 21:23:16 GMT
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