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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2020 13:02:03 GMT
Obviously the more risks you take, the more likely the opposition are to score. Go for the win, you may end up coming away with nothing. Millwall's a tough place to go,they'll be in the top half you'd think come the end of the season. We can't just turn up at these places and blowtorch teams off teh pitch- we're not good enough to do that. A point away (in a game where we were the better side) is always a satisfactory outcome. If we'd have gone for the win and ended up conceding, the moaning on here would have been off the scale. Point is, with the players we've got we should be good enough to set fire to teams. It's millwall not real madrid away... It makes me sick how grateful people are not to be spanked by Barnsely - small time bollocks attitude, we absolutely should and could batter the likes of them. It's valid criticism to question why we played the way we did when we couldve gone for them.
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Post by Trouserdog on Sept 13, 2020 14:01:49 GMT
Obviously the more risks you take, the more likely the opposition are to score. Go for the win, you may end up coming away with nothing. Millwall's a tough place to go,they'll be in the top half you'd think come the end of the season. We can't just turn up at these places and blowtorch teams off teh pitch- we're not good enough to do that. A point away (in a game where we were the better side) is always a satisfactory outcome. If we'd have gone for the win and ended up conceding, the moaning on here would have been off the scale. Point is, with the players we've got we should be good enough to set fire to teams. It's millwall not real madrid away... It makes me sick how grateful people are not to be spanked by Barnsely - small time bollocks attitude, we absolutely should and could batter the likes of them. It's valid criticism to question why we played the way we did when we couldve gone for them. The players we've got aren't that good- they were in a relegation battle for most of last year, or have we forgotten about that? Yet now, only a few months later we're expecting them to rip into a team who finished above us last year. It's not small time attitude at all, it's just being realistic about where we are as a team right now.
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Post by ColonelMustard on Sept 13, 2020 14:13:11 GMT
Obviously the more risks you take, the more likely the opposition are to score. Go for the win, you may end up coming away with nothing. Millwall's a tough place to go,they'll be in the top half you'd think come the end of the season. We can't just turn up at these places and blowtorch teams off teh pitch- we're not good enough to do that. A point away (in a game where we were the better side) is always a satisfactory outcome. If we'd have gone for the win and ended up conceding, the moaning on here would have been off the scale. Point is, with the players we've got we should be good enough to set fire to teams. It's millwall not real madrid away... It makes me sick how grateful people are not to be spanked by Barnsely - small time bollocks attitude, we absolutely should and could batter the likes of them. It's valid criticism to question why we played the way we did when we couldve gone for them. The entitlement attitude of expecting to spank perfectly good championship teams will give us more problems than being confident but respectful. Good seasons are built on unbeaten runs, not giving the odd team a spanking.
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Post by lordb on Sept 13, 2020 14:15:07 GMT
Point is, with the players we've got we should be good enough to set fire to teams. It's millwall not real madrid away... It makes me sick how grateful people are not to be spanked by Barnsely - small time bollocks attitude, we absolutely should and could batter the likes of them. It's valid criticism to question why we played the way we did when we couldve gone for them. The players we've got aren't that good- they were in a relegation battle for most of last year, or have we forgotten about that? Yet now, only a few months later we're expecting them to rip into a team who finished above us last year. It's not small time attitude at all, it's just being realistic about where we are as a team right now. Agreed The weaker sides - & we don't know who they are yet - let's go for it. Millwall away first game isn't one of those. As the season progresses if things fall into place with the new signings would expect the manager to be more positive away than yesterday.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2020 14:45:06 GMT
Point is, with the players we've got we should be good enough to set fire to teams. It's millwall not real madrid away... It makes me sick how grateful people are not to be spanked by Barnsely - small time bollocks attitude, we absolutely should and could batter the likes of them. It's valid criticism to question why we played the way we did when we couldve gone for them. The players we've got aren't that good- they were in a relegation battle for most of last year, or have we forgotten about that? Yet now, only a few months later we're expecting them to rip into a team who finished above us last year. It's not small time attitude at all, it's just being realistic about where we are as a team right now. What you're calling realistic - is definitely small time for me. "Let the flares off lads we drew 0-0 with Millwall even though last year we struggled under an abomination of a manager." doesn't cut it. The players we signed who most were clamouring for, Vokes Afobe Ince wasn't what we needed, we overpaid and they're gutless. But even still a half-decent manager (not coach) should be able to get a good end product out of them - which is absolutely enough to outperform and spank the likes of Millwall. But if you're content with lumping it up and think it isn't smalltime - I just couldn't agree with you less.
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Post by pottersrule on Sept 13, 2020 14:58:19 GMT
352 has obviously been devised to make us tougher to beat on the road. Today it worked. My worry is if it becomes the norm, home and away, no matter the opponents or if it suits the players at our disposal. We have quite a few centre halves and forwards, so it gets 5 of them into the team instead of 3 in 4231. However, the wide men are full backs, not wing backs, with neither the pace, trickery or attacking instincts to give the forwards decent service from out wide. If played, it screams out for Tymon and Brown. The biggest fault is that it negates the strengths of McClean, Campbell and Powell, who, with Clucas, were the real keys to our revival in an attacking sense last season. Jimmy is either dropped (as here) or shoe horned in at wing back. Campbell is the support striker, when he has thrived coming in from wide right, whilst Powell is played deeper in a flat central three, instead of creating from no.10 where he has been so influential. I hope MON is happy to move back to 4231 when circumstances dictate, or it could well be a steady, but pretty unspectacular, mid-table team we'll be watching this season, not playing to its full potential. Would have taken Bmi off today and put Fox at Left Back and give Tymon a go at Wing back for last 20 mins.
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Post by Trouserdog on Sept 13, 2020 15:11:16 GMT
The players we've got aren't that good- they were in a relegation battle for most of last year, or have we forgotten about that? Yet now, only a few months later we're expecting them to rip into a team who finished above us last year. It's not small time attitude at all, it's just being realistic about where we are as a team right now. What you're calling realistic - is definitely small time for me. "Let the flares off lads we drew 0-0 with Millwall even though last year we struggled under an abomination of a manager." doesn't cut it. The players we signed who most were clamouring for, Vokes Afobe Ince wasn't what we needed, we overpaid and they're gutless. But even still a half-decent manager (not coach) should be able to get a good end product out of them - which is absolutely enough to outperform and spank the likes of Millwall. But if you're content with lumping it up and think it isn't smalltime - I just couldn't agree with you less. Fair enough, we can disagree, which we clearly do. However, people can be quietly pleased with an away draw without celebrating it like it's promotion, and that's what pretty much everyone is doing. I just don't understand how we can suddenly demand that a team finishing 15th last year start swatting aside very capable opposition on their own pitch. To me that smacks of entitlement and arrogance ('the likes of Millwall'- really?) when those are the last two things we should be feeling. Our squad is still bloated, we're only just the other side of a crisis period, and FFP is still limiting the amount we can spend on the squad. That really isn't the backdrop to a club that should be expecting and demanding an automatic promotion campaign. Progress is often about moving steadily forward rather than going at it like a bull at a gate, and if we're hard to beat and solid for now, drawing away and generally winning at home, then that gives us a very decent foundation to build on. Doing that, we'll be there or thereabouts come the end of the season. I want us to get back up as much as anyone, but I don't trust a team with Chester, Baath and BMI as it's centre backs to be able to turn up at top-half Championship sides and let the handbrake off. We've got some good players at the club, no doubt, but there's also vulnerability in that first XI and Michael O'Neill knows that more than anyone.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2020 15:26:30 GMT
Point is, with the players we've got we should be good enough to set fire to teams. It's millwall not real madrid away... It makes me sick how grateful people are not to be spanked by Barnsely - small time bollocks attitude, we absolutely should and could batter the likes of them. It's valid criticism to question why we played the way we did when we couldve gone for them. The players we've got aren't that good- they were in a relegation battle for most of last year, or have we forgotten about that? Yet now, only a few months later we're expecting them to rip into a team who finished above us last year. It's not small time attitude at all, it's just being realistic about where we are as a team right now. Under O'Neill we were actually 7th place. When we opened the team up we hit teams for 4 and 5 away from home. I'm not expecting that every week but we won't do that much this season by setting up the way we did on Saturday. Surely the idea of playing 3 cente halves with Mikel sitting is to give the other midfielders and wing backs license to roam? I read on here that Fox was playing deeper to negate Jed Wallace. If that's right then what's the point? Question here, but are Tommy Smith and Morgan Fox the type of players to play that role anyway? It's not about wanting or demanding we go away from home and smash teams out of sight. It's about setting the team up right and setting up to win a game of football. What O'Neill did yesterday was what Rowett got annihilated for, and certainly something he didn't do with a worse squad last year. I'm sure he'll put it right.
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Post by nott1 on Sept 13, 2020 16:01:05 GMT
Oi'll geev um foive
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Post by Trouserdog on Sept 13, 2020 16:50:42 GMT
The players we've got aren't that good- they were in a relegation battle for most of last year, or have we forgotten about that? Yet now, only a few months later we're expecting them to rip into a team who finished above us last year. It's not small time attitude at all, it's just being realistic about where we are as a team right now. Under O'Neill we were actually 7th place. When we opened the team up we hit teams for 4 and 5 away from home. I'm not expecting that every week but we won't do that much this season by setting up the way we did on Saturday.Surely the idea of playing 3 cente halves with Mikel sitting is to give the other midfielders and wing backs license to roam? I read on here that Fox was playing deeper to negate Jed Wallace. If that's right then what's the point? Question here, but are Tommy Smith and Morgan Fox the type of players to play that role anyway? It's not about wanting or demanding we go away from home and smash teams out of sight. It's about setting the team up right and setting up to win a game of football. What O'Neill did yesterday was what Rowett got annihilated for, and certainly something he didn't do with a worse squad last year. I'm sure he'll put it right. If we're setting up with 5 at the back at home to Wycombe then I agree with you, but we won't. The manager is tactically astute enough to adapt his system to take into account the opposition. Away to a top-half side it makes sense to stay solid, protect the point and see what we can nick from a set piece. Playing relegation strugglers at home, I very much doubt we'll be playing the way we did on Saturday. Even setting up fairly conservatively we still had enough chances to win the game, whereas Millwall never even came close to scoring. MON got it absolutely spot on for me.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2020 17:19:31 GMT
Under O'Neill we were actually 7th place. When we opened the team up we hit teams for 4 and 5 away from home. I'm not expecting that every week but we won't do that much this season by setting up the way we did on Saturday.Surely the idea of playing 3 cente halves with Mikel sitting is to give the other midfielders and wing backs license to roam? I read on here that Fox was playing deeper to negate Jed Wallace. If that's right then what's the point? Question here, but are Tommy Smith and Morgan Fox the type of players to play that role anyway? It's not about wanting or demanding we go away from home and smash teams out of sight. It's about setting the team up right and setting up to win a game of football. What O'Neill did yesterday was what Rowett got annihilated for, and certainly something he didn't do with a worse squad last year. I'm sure he'll put it right. If we're setting up with 5 at the back at home to Wycombe then I agree with you, but we won't. The manager is tactically astute enough to adapt his system to take into account the opposition. Away to a top-half side it makes sense to stay solid, protect the point and see what we can nick from a set piece. Playing relegation strugglers at home, I very much doubt we'll be playing the way we did on Saturday. Even setting up fairly conservatively we still had enough chances to win the game, whereas Millwall never even came close to scoring. MON got it absolutely spot on for me. I hope we'll not be setting up like that at home to Wycombe, but we're discussing Millwall away yesterday. Millwall lined up with a weakened team and bar Malone at left wing back, was the same or slightly weaker side than they picked most weeks last season. Last year West Brom, Derby, Boro and Barnsley went there and turned them over. Forget West Brom but let's focus on the other three - all teams in and around us and at least two expected to be in and around us again this year. My expectations of this season are comparatively tempered but I still want us to have a go and roll our sleeves up. Keeping it tight and hoping to nick a goal smacks of a mentality that will keep us in this league for an extended period of time. At the risk of sounding arrogant, and I really don't mean it that way but we were playing an under strength Millwall, not Real Madrid. The bigger issue that not many people want to address, is the argument that the system we played yesterday quite probably doesn't suit the two main components of it (both wingbacks) one iota. They both look slow and cumbersome and both are very awkward with the ball. A decent wingback needs pace and extreme fitness to hide any technical deficiencies or they need to be technically very good. We don't have any in the squad. My big fear with this system is that the manager is stuck on it because, in his opinion that he has already voiced, our centre forward options are almost dictating it. He specifically mentioned Gregory as part of a two in Pre Season yet didn't have him in the squad? Personally I think Vokes and Fletcher can play as a one with Powell just off either with Brown and Campbell fighting it out for the place on the right. In my opinion, it gets the best out of our most creative player, gives him the freedom to roam and to be totally frank, has given us the most balance and has made us the most potent every time we've used it. Like I've already said and so have you, he's an intelligent fella and I'm sure he'll sort it out.
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Post by Trouserdog on Sept 13, 2020 17:35:17 GMT
If we're setting up with 5 at the back at home to Wycombe then I agree with you, but we won't. The manager is tactically astute enough to adapt his system to take into account the opposition. Away to a top-half side it makes sense to stay solid, protect the point and see what we can nick from a set piece. Playing relegation strugglers at home, I very much doubt we'll be playing the way we did on Saturday. Even setting up fairly conservatively we still had enough chances to win the game, whereas Millwall never even came close to scoring. MON got it absolutely spot on for me. I hope we'll not be setting up like that at home to Wycombe, but we're discussing Millwall away yesterday. Millwall lined up with a weakened team and bar Malone at left wing back, was the same or slightly weaker side than they picked most weeks last season. Last year West Brom, Derby, Boro and Barnsley went there and turned them over. Forget West Brom but let's focus on the other three - all teams in and around us and at least two expected to be in and around us again this year. My expectations of this season are comparatively tempered but I still want us to have a go and roll our sleeves up. Keeping it tight and hoping to nick a goal smacks of a mentality that will keep us in this league for an extended period of time. At the risk of sounding arrogant, and I really don't mean it that way but we were playing an under strength Millwall, not Real Madrid.The bigger issue that not many people want to address, is the argument that the system we played yesterday quite probably doesn't suit the two main components of it (both wingbacks) one iota. They both look slow and cumbersome and both are very awkward with the ball. A decent wingback needs pace and extreme fitness to hide any technical deficiencies or they need to be technically very good. We don't have any in the squad. My big fear with this system is that the manager is stuck on it because, in his opinion that he has already voiced, our centre forward options are almost dictating it. He specifically mentioned Gregory as part of a two in Pre Season yet didn't have him in the squad? Personally I think Vokes and Fletcher can play as a one with Powell just off either with Brown and Campbell fighting it out for the place on the right. In my opinion, it gets the best out of our most creative player, gives him the freedom to roam and to be totally frank, has given us the most balance and has made us the most potent every time we've used it. Like I've already said and so have you, he's an intelligent fella and I'm sure he'll sort it out. Funny you should say that, because we are Stoke City- not Barcelona! The suitability of the players to be wing backs is an interesting point though, and I agree- neither are ideally suited to the role, but I thought both were Ok yesterday (no more than that, but certainly no less either). McClean or Tymon on the left, and Edwards on the right, would certainly add a bit more attacking thrust than we had yesterday from those areas. I don't think there's any evidence at all to suggest that MON is the type of manager to get 'stuck' on a formation. He's openly said that 4-3-3 is his preferred system, yet he's started using 5-3-2 here because of the squad he's got. That already shows him to be more tactically malleable than someone like Gary Rowett, who had no plan B at all when 4-3-3 didn't work. It wouldn't surprise me at all to see us line up in a 4-2-3-1 against Bristol City with what you've suggested above and probably McClean coming in on the left. We didn't create enough v Blackpool playing 5-3-2 and MON will have noted that. We're never going to be going gung-ho, swashbuckling crazy Kevin Keegan, but we'll see a different mentality at home than away.
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Post by potterburt on Sept 13, 2020 17:40:42 GMT
Wow, so much negative annoyance that we didn’t thump Millwall away and said with comparisons with “Real Madrid” away! Hehe! If people think that they should be annoyed because we settle for something against little Millwall compared to one of the greatest teams ever is in my mind rather deluded!
It’s a similar ideology and possible ‘characteristic’ with a section of supporters that stoke that got us into this mess of wanting ‘stokealona’ all of a sudden.
This idea that stoke warrant to be top drawer and inconceivably can’t be where we are because.... err... because well... the reason is solely that you ‘support’ stoke and that’s the very least that you deserve from investing your time in your team?
Wind ya necks in, bellowing overflatuated mirages as to where we should be and maybe try knuckling down into the knit and gritty, giving some average (compared to your zidanes/Ronaldos and benzemas) players who wear the stripes a bit of support.
The club listened to this ‘next level football’ rhetoric and yes, we got good players in but it went booby up and we got relegated.
In the moment, with what we have, we can support and think positively.
Of course we all want and dream of owning a Ferrari but sometime you just gotta be happy with Putting some racing stripes on a Skoda.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2020 18:04:10 GMT
I hope we'll not be setting up like that at home to Wycombe, but we're discussing Millwall away yesterday. Millwall lined up with a weakened team and bar Malone at left wing back, was the same or slightly weaker side than they picked most weeks last season. Last year West Brom, Derby, Boro and Barnsley went there and turned them over. Forget West Brom but let's focus on the other three - all teams in and around us and at least two expected to be in and around us again this year. My expectations of this season are comparatively tempered but I still want us to have a go and roll our sleeves up. Keeping it tight and hoping to nick a goal smacks of a mentality that will keep us in this league for an extended period of time. At the risk of sounding arrogant, and I really don't mean it that way but we were playing an under strength Millwall, not Real Madrid.The bigger issue that not many people want to address, is the argument that the system we played yesterday quite probably doesn't suit the two main components of it (both wingbacks) one iota. They both look slow and cumbersome and both are very awkward with the ball. A decent wingback needs pace and extreme fitness to hide any technical deficiencies or they need to be technically very good. We don't have any in the squad. My big fear with this system is that the manager is stuck on it because, in his opinion that he has already voiced, our centre forward options are almost dictating it. He specifically mentioned Gregory as part of a two in Pre Season yet didn't have him in the squad? Personally I think Vokes and Fletcher can play as a one with Powell just off either with Brown and Campbell fighting it out for the place on the right. In my opinion, it gets the best out of our most creative player, gives him the freedom to roam and to be totally frank, has given us the most balance and has made us the most potent every time we've used it. Like I've already said and so have you, he's an intelligent fella and I'm sure he'll sort it out. Funny you should say that, because we are Stoke City- not Barcelona! The suitability of the players to be wing backs is an interesting point though, and I agree- neither are ideally suited to the role, but I thought both were Ok yesterday (no more than that, but certainly no less either). McClean or Tymon on the left, and Edwards on the right, would certainly add a bit more attacking thrust than we had yesterday from those areas. I don't think there's any evidence at all to suggest that MON is the type of manager to get 'stuck' on a formation. He's openly said that 4-3-3 is his preferred system, yet he's started using 5-3-2 here because of the squad he's got. That already shows him to be more tactically malleable than someone like Gary Rowett, who had no plan B at all when 4-3-3 didn't work. It wouldn't surprise me at all to see us line up in a 4-2-3-1 against Bristol City with what you've suggested above and probably McClean coming in on the left. We didn't create enough v Blackpool playing 5-3-2 and MON will have noted that. We're never going to be going gung-ho, swashbuckling crazy Kevin Keegan, but we'll see a different mentality at home than away. I think it's going to be interesting to see how it develops over the season. I'd love to know what it is about the other systems that he's suddenly so wary of away from home.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Sept 13, 2020 19:37:24 GMT
Our manager is a pragmatist thankfully.
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Post by mickstupp on Sept 13, 2020 20:43:10 GMT
Funny you should say that, because we are Stoke City- not Barcelona! The suitability of the players to be wing backs is an interesting point though, and I agree- neither are ideally suited to the role, but I thought both were Ok yesterday (no more than that, but certainly no less either). McClean or Tymon on the left, and Edwards on the right, would certainly add a bit more attacking thrust than we had yesterday from those areas. I don't think there's any evidence at all to suggest that MON is the type of manager to get 'stuck' on a formation. He's openly said that 4-3-3 is his preferred system, yet he's started using 5-3-2 here because of the squad he's got. That already shows him to be more tactically malleable than someone like Gary Rowett, who had no plan B at all when 4-3-3 didn't work. It wouldn't surprise me at all to see us line up in a 4-2-3-1 against Bristol City with what you've suggested above and probably McClean coming in on the left. We didn't create enough v Blackpool playing 5-3-2 and MON will have noted that. We're never going to be going gung-ho, swashbuckling crazy Kevin Keegan, but we'll see a different mentality at home than away. I think it's going to be interesting to see how it develops over the season. I'd love to know what it is about the other systems that he's suddenly so wary of away from home. Probably the fact that we’ve generally been so woeful away from home since he’s been here. Apart from the odd game where we’ve looked good, in the main, it’s been one cave in after another regardless of what system he’s tried to play.
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Post by lordb on Sept 13, 2020 21:31:24 GMT
I think it's going to be interesting to see how it develops over the season. I'd love to know what it is about the other systems that he's suddenly so wary of away from home. Probably the fact that we’ve generally been so woeful away from home since he’s been here. Apart from the odd game where we’ve looked good, in the main, it’s been one cave in after another regardless of what system he’s tried to play. Can think of four cave ins. Derby, where 4 seemed harsh, QPR, where we got away with only 4, Wigan and Leeds Have I missed any? We dished out , I think, 3 tonkings away Barnsley, Huddersfield and Forest. That seems reasonably even to me. Need to cut down the cave ins yes but that's not as bleak a picture as painted.
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Post by mickstupp on Sept 13, 2020 22:15:05 GMT
Probably the fact that we’ve generally been so woeful away from home since he’s been here. Apart from the odd game where we’ve looked good, in the main, it’s been one cave in after another regardless of what system he’s tried to play. Can think of four cave ins. Derby, where 4 seemed harsh, QPR, where we got away with only 4, Wigan and Leeds Have I missed any? We dished out , I think, 3 tonkings away Barnsley, Huddersfield and Forest. That seems reasonably even to me. Need to cut down the cave ins yes but that's not as bleak a picture as painted. Our win at Forest on the last day of the season stopped us from having the worst away record in the division. Yes, there were some good days which partially made up for the worst away performances but I was thinking also about the likes of Hull, Boro and Luton where we took the lead, and then retreated, sat back and capitulated.
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Post by datguy on Sept 13, 2020 22:35:19 GMT
Our manager is a pragmatist thankfully. Should've changed the system once it became obvious after 10-15 minutes Millwall were there to be had. And to be honest, I'm not sure yesterday was pragmatic. Playing full backs at wing back and bypassing a quality midfield trio in favour of a lumbering target man who won nothing all game seems like pie in the sky foolishness to me. And it played right into Millwall's game plan. I agree though, in general he does have a pragmatic approach to management. Yesterday however was not the usual.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 14, 2020 8:17:07 GMT
We have a very good midfield now with Mikel in there and to not use it is pretty awful imo.
We should be able to dominate the ball pretty easily but about the only thing stopping that is the centre halves, well one of them. Chester imo has been awful on the ball for us but I always thought he could pass so maybe he can do it?
The ultra conservative approach needs doing away with imo
We’re much better than that. It’s a waste.
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Post by pez75 on Sept 14, 2020 8:43:28 GMT
Better get used to it.
MON has made it very clear in his interviews that he will utilise the 5-3-2 formation away from home and that he wants to alter last seasons terrible away form by being more defensive on the road, keeping clean sheets and hopefully nicking the odd 1-0 win.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 14, 2020 8:54:20 GMT
Better get used to it. MON has made it very clear in his interviews that he will utilise the 5-3-2 formation away from home and that he wants to alter last seasons terrible away form by being more defensive on the road, keeping clean sheets and hopefully nicking the odd 1-0 win. There’s absolutely no need for that though. Very worrying.
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Post by mrcoke on Sept 14, 2020 9:08:23 GMT
It wasn't pretty (too much head tennis!) and we didn't create a lot, but a lot more than Millwall and Davies had little to do. Most of their shots were "hopefuls" from outside the p a.
The thing that struck me was, for the first time in a long time, I "felt safe". We did not look vulnerable. The only time we looked at risk was when we were pressing forward an attack and they broke away a few times. On one of those occasions Chester lost his man, but we got away with it.
If we keep defending like that and start taking the chances created we will do well.
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Sept 14, 2020 9:14:03 GMT
The only way that system will work is if our wing backs get up and down and add to our attacking options. You'd have thought Brown and Tymon would be nailed on in the long term, although Brown would appear to have more potential as a forward and MON loves Smith and bought Fox. If Indi is staying do we assume he plays? I can understand the safety first for away games but playing the right personnel for the system would be a start, but I just don't see the manager doing that yet. Look at his substitutions, last season and on Saturday. It's all about preserving the status quo if we're not losing and its away.
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Post by tosh on Sept 14, 2020 9:15:11 GMT
Better get used to it. MON has made it very clear in his interviews that he will utilise the 5-3-2 formation away from home and that he wants to alter last seasons terrible away form by being more defensive on the road, keeping clean sheets and hopefully nicking the odd 1-0 win. As others have said MON is pragmatic, and there is no reason to think that he will stick to a defensive plan if we are doing okay and confidence builds. After the last two seasons his main target in a potentially difficult first away game would understandably be to avoid defeat. His next objective is obviously to try to win the first home game. If he achieves that who knows, we may be seeing the brakes come off quicker than we think. I have no complaints about Saturday’s plan, performance or result and feel more a bit more optimistic than for some time.
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Post by nottsover60 on Sept 14, 2020 10:13:20 GMT
Were we away at a team that had just missed out on the playoffs and have not lost players but brought some in? OK some were missing but going for a point on the first day of the season away to one of the teams who will be competing at the top of the table is exactly what I would hope for. Apart from one occasion we looked comfortable and if we had scored during our spell of domination in the first half it would have been an excellent performance. I think Millwall will be far more disappointed with what they created than the Stoke coaches are.
Two years in the Championship and people still haven't grasped how difficult teams make it for the so called 'big boys.' We now are not waiting for the first point as we have for the last two seasons and Mikel and Fletcher will only get better. The music to my ears was Rowett saying that we were a big physical team. How many times have we heard that over the past two years when all teams have had to do is snap at our ankles, go in a bit hard, rough us up a bit and we roll over and give them a win.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2020 10:54:57 GMT
We played well today. Our defence has a certain calm about it. These threads are embarrassing and there’s plenty of them. Bruno's so calm you have to check his pulse every now and then to be sure he's still alive...
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Post by mickstupp on Sept 14, 2020 11:28:26 GMT
Better get used to it. MON has made it very clear in his interviews that he will utilise the 5-3-2 formation away from home and that he wants to alter last seasons terrible away form by being more defensive on the road, keeping clean sheets and hopefully nicking the odd 1-0 win. There’s absolutely no need for that though. Very worrying. Our win at Forest on the last day stopped us from having the worst away record in the division last season. It’s not worrying in the slightest, merely an acknowledgement that we were a defensive shambles on the road.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 14, 2020 12:02:21 GMT
Why play such a negative formation vs Millwall? Hoofball vs experienced hoofball. Millwall were always going to contain us. A midfield trio of Powell, Clucas and JOM have the capability to control Millwall but we just bypassed them every time we got the ball. Think one of the biggest problems with the system is that it's not so much 3 at the back with the way we play. It's 5 at the back. Smith and Fox aren't wing backs. I'll take the point, but don't know why we didn't push for more. Because we have a negitive/cautious manager, not a dig but thats just how he sets up most of the time, see his 4-3-3 its more like 4-5-1.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 14, 2020 12:03:55 GMT
Point is, with the players we've got we should be good enough to set fire to teams. It's millwall not real madrid away... It makes me sick how grateful people are not to be spanked by Barnsely - small time bollocks attitude, we absolutely should and could batter the likes of them. It's valid criticism to question why we played the way we did when we couldve gone for them. The players we've got aren't that good- they were in a relegation battle for most of last year, or have we forgotten about that? Yet now, only a few months later we're expecting them to rip into a team who finished above us last year. It's not small time attitude at all, it's just being realistic about where we are as a team right now. Did you forget how these players were set up when they ended up in the bottom three? Set them up right and they have a decent threat about them.
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