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Post by staffordstokiemad1 on Oct 25, 2020 17:58:44 GMT
So many inconsistencies 600 at Stafford Rangers yesterday and at FC United of Manchester (max Covid capacity). Small grounds with limited turnstile facilities. So why cant 600 be allowed in each side of the Bet365? Surely that would be the equivalent? I'm not complaining about people being allowed to go to Stafford btw, very happy to hear it. I’m also a Stafford Rangers fan along with being a Stoke fan. Stafford have done really well to adapt, no pay on the gate, a club run by volunteers, they have managed to set up an online ticket system, so when you arrive at the ground you come to a gate next to the turnstiles and they scan your digital ticket on your phone. They had to set up a live stream for Saturdays FA Cup game just gone, they sold out capacity in seven minutes leaving fans missing out so decided to do a live stream at the last minute. Setting up online ticketing systems and streams may seem easy, but for a non league club ran by volunteers with little funds it’s amazing what they have achieved.
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Post by spitthedog on Oct 25, 2020 18:19:19 GMT
My local club Sheffield FC are doing the same. I think 1 or 2 Divisions below Stafford
They are actually getting bigger crowds than before Covid and have just one 2 turnstiles! Around 300.
All set up by volunteers. All organised extremely well and responsibly. Online ticket system (that they had to set up for this situation).
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2020 21:32:27 GMT
It's great that fans can go and watch Stafford rangers or Sheffield FC
But if fans can be dealt with in a covid friendly way at these clubs , then they can be dealt with in a covid friendly way at Stoke city or west ham .
If west ham let in say 600 at each end and 600 on both sides , every ticket booking would have about 100 square foot to themselves . There would be something like 27 empty seats between each booking
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Post by staffordstokiemad1 on Oct 26, 2020 0:38:21 GMT
It's great that fans can go and watch Stafford rangers or Sheffield FC But if fans can be dealt with in a covid friendly way at these clubs , then they can be dealt with in a covid friendly way at Stoke city or west ham . If west ham let in say 600 at each end and 600 on both sides , every ticket booking would have about 100 square foot to themselves . There would be something like 27 empty seats between each booking 100% agree, it’s far safer to have 600 fans at the Brit than 600 fans in a non league ground. It just doesn’t make sense. You could have 5000 in this league without a problem at almost every ground in the league. Just don’t have away fans. Base the % of home fans allowed on the capacity of each ground and cap it at 5000.
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Post by spitthedog on Oct 26, 2020 0:59:25 GMT
It's great that fans can go and watch Stafford rangers or Sheffield FC But if fans can be dealt with in a covid friendly way at these clubs , then they can be dealt with in a covid friendly way at Stoke city or west ham . If west ham let in say 600 at each end and 600 on both sides , every ticket booking would have about 100 square foot to themselves . There would be something like 27 empty seats between each booking 100% agree, it’s far safer to have 600 fans at the Brit than 600 fans in a non league ground. It just doesn’t make sense. You could have 5000 in this league without a problem at almost every ground in the league. Just don’t have away fans. Base the % of home fans allowed on the capacity of each ground and cap it at 5000. It's because the people making these decisions are completely out of touch. They probably think all football clubs are like Man Utd and can look after themselves. They have no sense of the role that football clubs play in their local communities, or the role they are in people's lives. They basically look down on football supporters and think of them as trouble makers.
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Post by waddosnavy on Oct 26, 2020 10:06:58 GMT
I think the issues are wider than capacity for league clubs - and each individual ground has different challenges to overcome. Stoke could easily accommodate 600+ on each side - but what are the clubs break even costs. In normal circumstances an early round of the League Cup against lowly opposition we would normally see just the Main Stand open for Home fans, and a small section allocated for visiting supporters. Previous posters have mentioned the sterling work of volunteers at Stafford Rangers and Sheffield FC, but I'm sure authorities would require Stoke (or a club from the top 4 tiers) to employ professional security/stewards and be familiar with safety or emergency procedures. Police would be reluctant to provide Officers who are taking on additional tasking associated with the pandemic. Buses from Stoke Town centre or run by pubs etc would have reduced capacity. As for car parking - How much room does the COVID testing station at the BET365 take up? This obviously reduces parking spaces. Leaving the BET365 Stadium has its problems too. The railway bridge route down to the incinerator is always congested, as is the tunnel over to the Harvester, and queues congregate for the buses back to town. If security/stewarding was reduced at Stadiums to save costs, there is the possibility of terrorists seizing the opportunity to make the headlines (though probably at a higher profile club than Stoke). I'm sure clubs want to be fans back, and are looking to overcome the challenging issues highlighted above. However, as the pre-winter surge in infections grow a return will certainly not be imminent. Personally, I cannot see a normal return of fans to stadiums (or theatres, pop festivals etc) for a long, long time.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 27, 2020 12:47:58 GMT
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Post by stokeuk474 on Oct 28, 2020 13:50:03 GMT
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Post by stokeuk474 on Oct 28, 2020 18:01:50 GMT
'EFL tells Government: We can't stop clubs going bust' www.skysports.com/share/12117074As much as I dislike Parry, I think this has been excellently written. He's basically saying give us the money, or let fans in, or the EFL will go to shit. You tight Tory bastards have given £1.5bn to the Arts AND allowed them to generate revenue through spectators, and denied both of these to our national game. Hopefully this will force some movement on this which had become very stagnant over the last couple of weeks.
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Post by werrington on Oct 29, 2020 20:08:30 GMT
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Post by Cast no shadow on Oct 29, 2020 20:18:46 GMT
Can't see many folk I know doing this, regardless of price.
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Post by Squeekster on Oct 29, 2020 23:03:48 GMT
Can't see many folk I know doing this, regardless of price. Simply no point, it's like going to the cinema and watching the film in a small side room on a black and white portable with a 10 pence mixture!
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Post by macarisredarmy on Oct 30, 2020 9:31:30 GMT
Can't see many folk I know doing this, regardless of price. Simply no point, it's like going to the cinema and watching the film in a small side room on a black and white portable with a 10 pence mixture! Its all a bit odd, can't peek behind the curtain! No thanks...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2020 9:35:07 GMT
Farcical.
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Post by leicspotter on Oct 30, 2020 9:46:39 GMT
I think the issues are wider than capacity for league clubs - and each individual ground has different challenges to overcome. Stoke could easily accommodate 600+ on each side - but what are the clubs break even costs. In normal circumstances an early round of the League Cup against lowly opposition we would normally see just the Main Stand open for Home fans, and a small section allocated for visiting supporters. Previous posters have mentioned the sterling work of volunteers at Stafford Rangers and Sheffield FC, but I'm sure authorities would require Stoke (or a club from the top 4 tiers) to employ professional security/stewards and be familiar with safety or emergency procedures. Police would be reluctant to provide Officers who are taking on additional tasking associated with the pandemic. Buses from Stoke Town centre or run by pubs etc would have reduced capacity. As for car parking - How much room does the COVID testing station at the BET365 take up? This obviously reduces parking spaces. Leaving the BET365 Stadium has its problems too. The railway bridge route down to the incinerator is always congested, as is the tunnel over to the Harvester, and queues congregate for the buses back to town. If security/stewarding was reduced at Stadiums to save costs, there is the possibility of terrorists seizing the opportunity to make the headlines (though probably at a higher profile club than Stoke). I'm sure clubs want to be fans back, and are looking to overcome the challenging issues highlighted above. However, as the pre-winter surge in infections grow a return will certainly not be imminent. Personally, I cannot see a normal return of fans to stadiums (or theatres, pop festivals etc) for a long, long time. Can you imagine the 'bun fight' over tickets at Stoke if 2400 were allowed in. That's around 13% of ST holders (roughly) Who would decide? A few months ago they were talkimg about red tickets and white tickets with, maybe, 8 or 9k each
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Post by leicspotter on Oct 30, 2020 9:49:39 GMT
'EFL tells Government: We can't stop clubs going bust' www.skysports.com/share/12117074As much as I dislike Parry, I think this has been excellently written. He's basically saying give us the money, or let fans in, or the EFL will go to shit. You tight Tory bastards have given £1.5bn to the Arts AND allowed them to generate revenue through spectators, and denied both of these to our national game.Hopefully this will force some movement on this which had become very stagnant over the last couple of weeks. Football still receives MASSIVE revenue from TV...and Parry knows this. Sadly Parry and his PL buddies don't want to share the riches around Just look at the new "pay per view" for pl games...even the clubs are against it! Parry is stirring things because he needs to deflect from his support of the big 6 breakaway ideas
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Post by broadwayroundabout on Oct 30, 2020 10:20:22 GMT
Not sure if it’s been posted on here, shit bin if it has Jaysus wept, doesn’t seem right to me as others have said, ok indoors with beer n food but not outside in the fresh air??? If it was ok, jasus wept, open the fcuking curtains, can’t anyone from the FA/government apply some common sense ?? An attempt to Crack down on illegal streams?? Surely you’re joking...allowing a couple of hundred folk in for a meal which will cost 10x more than the stream?? What’s that got to do with a stream? Lower the price of the streams then to get more people signing up t.co/QZN810c7Hf
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Post by macarisredarmy on Oct 30, 2020 10:21:54 GMT
Yep its on the 'fans back for Brizzle' thread, and yes I think it is very strange as a concept...
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Post by broadwayroundabout on Oct 30, 2020 10:27:10 GMT
Oops, got it off my chest anyway...hopefully shit binned shortly
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Post by macarisredarmy on Oct 30, 2020 10:32:20 GMT
Football as we know it is a no-go for the forseeable.
If the club offered an attractive streaming pass for the rest of the season, competitively priced or at least offering something for their cash as extras people would be interested. As it stands they probably have their hands tied behind their backs with TV pricing but paying for a meal and not even seeing the pitch is not something that does not sound worthwhile to me.
They have an opportunity to make matchday interactive with the fans online, some of the points in the article like Q and A's with the players/virtual mascots could be great in building a more community atmosphere than logging into a stream.
Comments from the fans appearing on the stream before the match - there is alot of possibilities there if looked at.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2020 10:55:41 GMT
The gym industry in Liverpool made a stand and simply said no - they won, setting a new nationwide legislation for gyms countrywide. Football should do the same. Tell the Government stadiums are opening based on the openings of theatres/cinemas etc... Do it safely, but just simply say no, we're opening. Force the issue.
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Post by flea79 on Oct 30, 2020 11:06:10 GMT
I think the issues are wider than capacity for league clubs - and each individual ground has different challenges to overcome. Stoke could easily accommodate 600+ on each side - but what are the clubs break even costs. In normal circumstances an early round of the League Cup against lowly opposition we would normally see just the Main Stand open for Home fans, and a small section allocated for visiting supporters. Previous posters have mentioned the sterling work of volunteers at Stafford Rangers and Sheffield FC, but I'm sure authorities would require Stoke (or a club from the top 4 tiers) to employ professional security/stewards and be familiar with safety or emergency procedures. Police would be reluctant to provide Officers who are taking on additional tasking associated with the pandemic. Buses from Stoke Town centre or run by pubs etc would have reduced capacity. As for car parking - How much room does the COVID testing station at the BET365 take up? This obviously reduces parking spaces. Leaving the BET365 Stadium has its problems too. The railway bridge route down to the incinerator is always congested, as is the tunnel over to the Harvester, and queues congregate for the buses back to town. If security/stewarding was reduced at Stadiums to save costs, there is the possibility of terrorists seizing the opportunity to make the headlines (though probably at a higher profile club than Stoke). I'm sure clubs want to be fans back, and are looking to overcome the challenging issues highlighted above. However, as the pre-winter surge in infections grow a return will certainly not be imminent. Personally, I cannot see a normal return of fans to stadiums (or theatres, pop festivals etc) for a long, long time. Can you imagine the 'bun fight' over tickets at Stoke if 2400 were allowed in. That's around 13% of ST holders (roughly) Who would decide? A few months ago they were talkimg about red tickets and white tickets with, maybe, 8 or 9k each the phrase bun fight just made me laugh out loud at my desk, not sure why, not heard it for years
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Post by thestatusquo on Oct 30, 2020 11:13:14 GMT
I can’t see it
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Post by macarisredarmy on Oct 30, 2020 11:25:29 GMT
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Post by Gods on Oct 30, 2020 11:28:41 GMT
I'm in the wrong place, thought the subject was a euphemism for some other form of entertainment!
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Post by NassauDave on Oct 30, 2020 11:33:51 GMT
I'm in the wrong place, thought the subject was a euphemism for some other form of entertainment! Me too. Just cracked open a new box of Kleenex too in anticipation. Talk about disappointment.
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Post by stokeuk474 on Oct 30, 2020 11:36:52 GMT
'EFL tells Government: We can't stop clubs going bust' www.skysports.com/share/12117074As much as I dislike Parry, I think this has been excellently written. He's basically saying give us the money, or let fans in, or the EFL will go to shit. You tight Tory bastards have given £1.5bn to the Arts AND allowed them to generate revenue through spectators, and denied both of these to our national game.Hopefully this will force some movement on this which had become very stagnant over the last couple of weeks. Football still receives MASSIVE revenue from TV...and Parry knows this. Sadly Parry and his PL buddies don't want to share the riches around Just look at the new "pay per view" for pl games...even the clubs are against it! Parry is stirring things because he needs to deflect from his support of the big 6 breakaway ideas Whilst I agree that he needs to deflect things away from Project Big Picture, the sentiment of his letter is correct, you can't deny that. Yes the PL still receives huge sums of money from TV revenue, but the EFL doesn't and nothing has changed over the last 4-6 weeks, those clubs still desperately need an income. Why should the PL help out when the government is helping every other fucker but not Football? It's not fair and it doesn't make sense
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Post by Cast no shadow on Oct 30, 2020 12:35:47 GMT
The capital BET rather than bet in thread title is annoying me.
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Post by spitthedog on Oct 30, 2020 13:25:43 GMT
Football still receives MASSIVE revenue from TV...and Parry knows this. Sadly Parry and his PL buddies don't want to share the riches around Just look at the new "pay per view" for pl games...even the clubs are against it! Parry is stirring things because he needs to deflect from his support of the big 6 breakaway ideas Whilst I agree that he needs to deflect things away from Project Big Picture, the sentiment of his letter is correct, you can't deny that. Yes the PL still receives huge sums of money from TV revenue, but the EFL doesn't and nothing has changed over the last 4-6 weeks, those clubs still desperately need an income. Why should the PL help out when the government is helping every other fucker but not Football? It's not fair and it doesn't make sense All the Government need to do is let people in the stadiums where they will safer than being at a Gym, a Supermarket, a School, a Gig, a Pub etc, etc, etc Basically it's because we are being directed by a group of toffee nosed Etonians who think all football fans are scum and cant control themselves.
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Post by theoptimist on Oct 30, 2020 14:16:29 GMT
Football as we know it is a no-go for the forseeable. If the club offered an attractive streaming pass for the rest of the season, competitively priced or at least offering something for their cash as extras people would be interested. As it stands they probably have their hands tied behind their backs with TV pricing but paying for a meal and not even seeing the pitch is not something that does not sound worthwhile to me. They have an opportunity to make matchday interactive with the fans online, some of the points in the article like Q and A's with the players/virtual mascots could be great in building a more community atmosphere than logging into a stream. Comments from the fans appearing on the stream before the match - there is alot of possibilities there if looked at. You are joking re improving the streaming offering? ... ours must be worst out there! Maybe put it to supporters council? Or maybe not, as the chair works for BBC providing the piss poor radio overdub. Could be a conflict of interests.
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