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Bojan
Feb 25, 2021 15:22:34 GMT
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Post by mickstupp on Feb 25, 2021 15:22:34 GMT
ššš āGoals Guaranteedā 1 goal in 24 championship games and a succession of managers who all thought he was crap would suggest otherwise. Fucking Goals Guaranteed How many minutes and starts? And successive managers that were sacked. It runs deeper than management incompetence. Thereās a reason why he wasnāt played regularly. If he guaranteed goals then he would have been playing.
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Bojan
Feb 25, 2021 15:27:45 GMT
Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Feb 25, 2021 15:27:45 GMT
Please go on...
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Post by roylandstoke on Feb 25, 2021 15:31:50 GMT
I'm not sure on what planet you think Choupo Moting would have been interested in playing for Stoke, in the Championship. Not a chance in hell. I think he would have done and has all the attributes you want and need in this league. He also had the attributes to play for the richest club in the world and now the best team in the world. I would have chosen to stay at Stoke. I can understand why Choupo would have a different opinion.
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Bojan
Feb 25, 2021 15:37:42 GMT
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Post by hardcastle on Feb 25, 2021 15:37:42 GMT
For the Bet365 empire that's all of about 30 seconds work? Let's not underestimate how rich our owners are. We are still one of the wealthiest clubs in the country. Whether or not Coates wants to spend Ā£20 million on players anymore is a different question, but he can. Rowett spent (squandered) over 50 million in a few weeks. And let's not forget the horrifying 12 million we spent on a lumbering oaf in Vokes. It was ONLY Ā£9m on Vokes, don't over value him Crouch plus Ā£7 million.
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Bojan
Feb 25, 2021 15:50:30 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 25, 2021 15:50:30 GMT
How many minutes and starts? And successive managers that were sacked. It runs deeper than management incompetence. Thereās a reason why he wasnāt played regularly. If he guaranteed goals then he would have been playing. 8 goals and 5 asssists in a better league this season so far.....
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Bojan
Feb 25, 2021 15:54:41 GMT
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Post by mickstupp on Feb 25, 2021 15:54:41 GMT
It runs deeper than management incompetence. Thereās a reason why he wasnāt played regularly. If he guaranteed goals then he would have been playing. 8 goals and 5 asssists in a better league this season so far..... Itās not a better league. Where were the takers for this front man who āguarantees goalsā when we were relegated and he wasnāt in the team?
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Bojan
Feb 25, 2021 15:57:26 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 25, 2021 15:57:26 GMT
8 goals and 5 asssists in a better league this season so far..... Itās not a better league. Where were the takers for this front man who āguarantees goalsā when we were relegated and he wasnāt in the team? It is a better league.
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Bojan
Feb 25, 2021 16:02:04 GMT
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Post by mickstupp on Feb 25, 2021 16:02:04 GMT
Itās not a better league. Where were the takers for this front man who āguarantees goalsā when we were relegated and he wasnāt in the team? It is a better league. No itās not. Iāll ask the question again. If he guarantees goals, but our string of incompetent managers couldnāt see it, why did he stay here for two seasons and not move on to another club who could see his talents?
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Post by Pirate on Feb 25, 2021 16:05:09 GMT
If Bojan had of got 5 goals & 5 assists in the Rowett period he would have been best of the rest behind Ince wouldn't he? He would have easily mustered that at this level imo
Diouf is basically the player we hoped we would be getting in Afobe, crash bang wallop & min 15 finesse free goals? He got 12 in a premiership season up front
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Post by PotterLog on Feb 25, 2021 16:31:58 GMT
No itās not. Iāll ask the question again. If he guarantees goals, but our string of incompetent managers couldnāt see it, why did he stay here for two seasons and not move on to another club who could see his talents? Well why do you think they couldn't see his talents? Diouf was probably the best goalscoring centre forward we had in the Prem, and while we're at it he was better than a few other players in their own positions as well. Never complained, great attitude but criminally underused and just let go. All our strikers since then could have learned a thing or two from him.
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Bojan
Feb 25, 2021 17:21:05 GMT
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Post by mickstupp on Feb 25, 2021 17:21:05 GMT
No itās not. Iāll ask the question again. If he guarantees goals, but our string of incompetent managers couldnāt see it, why did he stay here for two seasons and not move on to another club who could see his talents? Well why do you think they couldn't see his talents? Diouf was probably the best goalscoring centre forward we had in the Prem, and while we're at it he was better than a few other players in their own positions as well. Never complained, great attitude but criminally underused and just let go. All our strikers since then could have learned a thing or two from him. Iām not the one suggesting he āguaranteed goalsā? Personally I thought he was bloody awful. And yes, I know he once scored 11 goals in a season off his arse, face and shin. Four out or his five managers at Stoke didnāt rate him. Thatās very clear because they wouldnāt pick him. Mark Hughes thought he was better at right back. The one manager that did was the often criticised Lambert, who was rewarded with his faith in Mame with 2 goals in 16 games and some of the worst exhibitions of finishing and decision making in the final third Iāve ever seen.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 25, 2021 17:55:30 GMT
Well why do you think they couldn't see his talents? Diouf was probably the best goalscoring centre forward we had in the Prem, and while we're at it he was better than a few other players in their own positions as well. Never complained, great attitude but criminally underused and just let go. All our strikers since then could have learned a thing or two from him. Iām not the one suggesting he āguaranteed goalsā? Personally I thought he was bloody awful. And yes, I know he once scored 11 goals in a season off his arse, face and shin. Four out or his five managers at Stoke didnāt rate him. Thatās very clear because they wouldnāt pick him. Mark Hughes thought he was better at right back. The one manager that did was the often criticised Lambert, who was rewarded with his faith in Mame with 2 goals in 16 games and some of the worst exhibitions of finishing and decision making in the final third Iāve ever seen. I can't believe people use some of our shittest ever managers to back their arguments with.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 25, 2021 17:58:50 GMT
How many minutes and starts? And successive managers that were sacked. It runs deeper than management incompetence. Thereās a reason why he wasnāt played regularly. If he guaranteed goals then he would have been playing. To be fair, I think he played in 3 games and in 2 of those, he was the best player on the pitch. When he came on at Rotherham, he scored and they couldn't even get close enough to kick him. To not use Bojan whilst bumming around with the players we were using was pretty scandalous in truth. Both Rowett and Jones were scared of him. He was too popular and too good for their egos to cope with.
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Bojan
Feb 25, 2021 18:07:39 GMT
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Post by mickstupp on Feb 25, 2021 18:07:39 GMT
Iām not the one suggesting he āguaranteed goalsā? Personally I thought he was bloody awful. And yes, I know he once scored 11 goals in a season off his arse, face and shin. Four out or his five managers at Stoke didnāt rate him. Thatās very clear because they wouldnāt pick him. Mark Hughes thought he was better at right back. The one manager that did was the often criticised Lambert, who was rewarded with his faith in Mame with 2 goals in 16 games and some of the worst exhibitions of finishing and decision making in the final third Iāve ever seen. I can't believe people use some of our shittest ever managers to back their arguments with. Who do you think isnāt a shit manager?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 25, 2021 18:51:54 GMT
I can't believe people use some of our shittest ever managers to back their arguments with. Who do you think isnāt a shit manager? Mark Hughes for a few years. MON for 6 months. The people in between have been some of our worst ever. I wouldnāt take their word over even yours!
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Bojan
Feb 25, 2021 19:08:50 GMT
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Post by mickstupp on Feb 25, 2021 19:08:50 GMT
Who do you think isnāt a shit manager? Mark Hughes for a few years. MON for 6 months. The people in between have been some of our worst ever. I wouldnāt take their word over even yours! Literally the only Stoke manager who agrees with you about Diouf was Lambert. Say no more. š
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Bojan
Feb 25, 2021 19:10:57 GMT
Post by theonlooker on Feb 25, 2021 19:10:57 GMT
It runs deeper than management incompetence. Thereās a reason why he wasnāt played regularly. If he guaranteed goals then he would have been playing. To be fair, I think he played in 3 games and in 2 of those, he was the best player on the pitch. When he came on at Rotherham, he scored and they couldn't even get close enough to kick him. To not use Bojan whilst bumming around with the players we were using was pretty scandalous in truth. Both Rowett and Jones were scared of him. He was too popular and too good for their egos to cope with. Rowett tried playing him as a number 8 in midfield didn't he? The Bolton home game IIRC.
Now where have I seen that trick recently, a number 10 in central midfield... ?
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Bojan
Feb 25, 2021 19:29:33 GMT
Post by PotterLog on Feb 25, 2021 19:29:33 GMT
We're getting very mixed up here because the thread is about Bojan but all the recent discussion is about Diouf
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 25, 2021 19:34:27 GMT
To be fair, I think he played in 3 games and in 2 of those, he was the best player on the pitch. When he came on at Rotherham, he scored and they couldn't even get close enough to kick him. To not use Bojan whilst bumming around with the players we were using was pretty scandalous in truth. Both Rowett and Jones were scared of him. He was too popular and too good for their egos to cope with. Rowett tried playing him as a number 8 in midfield didn't he?Ā The Bolton home game IIRC. Now where have I seen that trick recently, a number 10 in central midfield... ? The bolton home game, Bojan was outstanding first half and they couldn't get near him. Rowett subbed him off on 65 minutes and we struggled to see out the game.
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Post by theonlooker on Feb 25, 2021 19:37:13 GMT
Rowett tried playing him as a number 8 in midfield didn't he? The Bolton home game IIRC. Now where have I seen that trick recently, a number 10 in central midfield... ? The bolton home game, Bojan was outstanding first half and they couldn't get near him. Rowett subbed him off on 65 minutes and we struggled to see out the game. I remember it well Dave. I remember the scurried substitution.
"Shit, he's made us look mugs here. Let's get him off quick sharp before them idiots carry on singing his name again"
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Feb 25, 2021 23:41:14 GMT
Well why do you think they couldn't see his talents? Diouf was probably the best goalscoring centre forward we had in the Prem, and while we're at it he was better than a few other players in their own positions as well. Never complained, great attitude but criminally underused and just let go. All our strikers since then could have learned a thing or two from him. Iām not the one suggesting he āguaranteed goalsā? Personally I thought he was bloody awful. And yes, I know he once scored 11 goals in a season off his arse, face and shin. Four out or his five managers at Stoke didnāt rate him. Thatās very clear because they wouldnāt pick him. Mark Hughes thought he was better at right back. The one manager that did was the often criticised Lambert, who was rewarded with his faith in Mame with 2 goals in 16 games and some of the worst exhibitions of finishing and decision making in the final third Iāve ever seen. Arse, face and shin you say... EDIT: if you leave auto play on, his entire season of goals comes up
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Bojan
Feb 25, 2021 23:56:33 GMT
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Post by mickstupp on Feb 25, 2021 23:56:33 GMT
Iām not the one suggesting he āguaranteed goalsā? Personally I thought he was bloody awful. And yes, I know he once scored 11 goals in a season off his arse, face and shin. Four out or his five managers at Stoke didnāt rate him. Thatās very clear because they wouldnāt pick him. Mark Hughes thought he was better at right back. The one manager that did was the often criticised Lambert, who was rewarded with his faith in Mame with 2 goals in 16 games and some of the worst exhibitions of finishing and decision making in the final third Iāve ever seen. Arse, face and shin you say... EDIT: if you leave auto play on, his entire season of goals comes up Yeah I was there mate. Absolutely brilliant when he scored, and probably our best result in the Premier League era. Come on though....Hart should have saved it.
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Bojan
Feb 26, 2021 0:15:23 GMT
Post by boskampsflaps on Feb 26, 2021 0:15:23 GMT
Definitely. He gets into good positions. As you say he'll miss a few but he will score goals. Also very good in the air. And had a little bit of pace. It makes a huge difference when you've got a team of statues. He'd lost that by the time we'd let him go.
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Bojan
Feb 26, 2021 7:39:39 GMT
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Feb 26, 2021 7:39:39 GMT
And had a little bit of pace. It makes a huge difference when you've got a team of statues. He'd lost that by the time we'd let him go. Bauer certainly hadn't lost his. Should have been one of the first names on the team sheet.
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Post by greenhuff on Feb 26, 2021 9:46:37 GMT
Both Diouf and Gregory are hard workers who give their all...Not fantastically gifted but bloody hell I would prefer players like that be to be at the club than the high priced con artists we have signed. Wimmer, Etebo etc ...players who basically said I have a contract to play for you but I don't want too so I am going to basically down tools agitate to get away and by the way you still need to pay me my full weeks wages even though I have basically said go fuck yourself Stoke City
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Bojan
Feb 26, 2021 9:52:06 GMT
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Post by Championship Potter on Feb 26, 2021 9:52:06 GMT
Both Diouf and Gregory are hard workers who give their all...Not fantastically gifted but bloody hell I would prefer players like that be to be at the club than the high priced con artists we have signed. Wimmer, Etebo etc ...players who basically said I have a contract to play for you but I don't want too so I am going to basically down tools agitate to get away and by the way you still need to pay me my full weeks wages even though I have basically said go fuck yourself Stoke City Has Wimmer ever downed tools? The issue with him is entirely ability unfortunately and the fact we thought a Spurs squad player who was about to be eased out of the first team entirely was worth Ā£17m.
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Bojan
Feb 26, 2021 9:53:06 GMT
Post by citynickscfc on Feb 26, 2021 9:53:06 GMT
Both Diouf and Gregory are hard workers who give their all...Not fantastically gifted but bloody hell I would prefer players like that be to be at the club than the high priced con artists we have signed. Wimmer, Etebo etc ...players who basically said I have a contract to play for you but I don't want too so I am going to basically down tools agitate to get away and by the way you still need to pay me my full weeks wages even though I have basically said go fuck yourself Stoke City This exactly. I get that managers want 'their own players', but MON has come from a background where he has to utilize with what he has... he has been far too judgmental imo, and i perceive the orders to cut all ties with expensive luxuries, but for whatever reason not Joe Allen (and then sign the likes of Mikel??). I have just given up on us having any semblance of a progressive, 'ambitious' team with that idiot Scholes meddling in anything that is not accounting, and then our supposed experts have seen us sign the likes that we have even recently. It is just depressing.
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Bojan
Feb 26, 2021 9:56:33 GMT
Post by boskampsflaps on Feb 26, 2021 9:56:33 GMT
He'd lost that by the time we'd let him go. Bauer certainly hadn't lost his. Should have been one of the first names on the team sheet. No thanks he's utter dog shit
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Bojan
Feb 26, 2021 10:02:29 GMT
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Feb 26, 2021 10:02:29 GMT
Arse, face and shin you say... EDIT: if you leave auto play on, his entire season of goals comes up Yeah I was there mate. Absolutely brilliant when he scored, and probably our best result in the Premier League era. Come on though....Hart should have saved it. I donāt think he was world beater but your comments were harsh and the full compilation of his goals that season proves that. No reason to think he wasnāt capable of scoring the same amount for the rest of his Stoke career.
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Bojan
Feb 26, 2021 10:07:17 GMT
Post by citynickscfc on Feb 26, 2021 10:07:17 GMT
Bauer certainly hadn't lost his. Should have been one of the first names on the team sheet. No thanks he's utter dog shit and he was signed by the incumbent still at the club (basically Scholes while the manager was afk/there was no manager...great foresight). I would be more happy to see Bauer play a few games than Smith starting every week. I would be happy to judge him after a spell in the side too at RWB, as it looks like we are fucked with 4 at the back.
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