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Post by superjonscape on Aug 23, 2020 1:51:56 GMT
He's Tony's new pet puppy, I think we all know that. Really beginning to think these in office have a complextion or are complete power/control freaks, they won't hire anybody proven/from a good position with a strong opinion. Managerial appointments since Pulis suggest it also. Millwall fans really arn't bothered, some even think Rowett has sussed him out and wants his own man in. Its not something a club of this stature should be doing, ever likely we are dropping like a stone, we are so small time With all due respect I don't think you have any idea why he's been selected and who has been involved in the decision making, the same of myself. The comment you have made regarding Rowett could be exactly the reason why we have appointed him as MON wants him in. its small time. Until I'm told this guy is a wiz, which his history doesn't suggest, its a lap dog appointment. Sorry but it is, the club are a joke in recruitment, we hired an ex leek town gk & solicitor and now we have hired a 27 year old statto to do a footballing mans job. It's embarrassingly amateur, but then that's the norm for scfc isnt it. Wolves hire a super agent, stoke put an ad in the job centre. I'm not having this he applied to be head of recruitment at stoke well he was allready well positioned as a rookie in his own town club. Our recruitment knowledge now consists of a manager who admitted himself he needed to get to know our players when he signed, a proven failure of a c.e.o and a 27 year old stato who happened to be a reporter who got a gig at his own town club, what could possibly go wrong. All this from a club that has taken a nosedive, its things like the above that make nosedives happen. I've got nothing more to say on this thread now, I've got my own two eyes, I trust my own judgement to know a small time set up when I see one. These lot can't say they can trust their judgement because let's face it they have been amateur for years now, decision wise.
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Post by s7oke on Aug 23, 2020 2:13:19 GMT
Don’t want to knock the lad before he proves himself but he’s probably responsible for signing Ryan Woods from us twice ! Can’t think of anyone outstanding at millwall recently. Age doesn’t mean a thing if he’s good enough which he will have to prove quickly Experience means a lot but sometimes things change as with footballing styles and a new direction is needed to move on I just hope he is a MON man and not a scholes one. Maybe short term he will sit and learn the ropes from O’Neill Maybe he has the right attitude to learn Maybe not Only time will tell I’m afraid But one thing is for sure I don’t want him to fail wether I agree with his appointment or not.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2020 4:10:47 GMT
You surely can't be of the belief the best candidate for a head of recruitment job is a 27 year old with a degree? Pulis was proven to unearth bargains, time & time again Name me one bargain he unearthed. Mark crossley ade akinbyi Glenn whelan Ryan shawcross our lord Robert Huth Ric Matty etherington James Beattie and Steven nzonzi for starters
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2020 4:28:47 GMT
I've never read a thread with as much drivel and knicker wetting as this one. No one has a clue about this guys credentials and how the club claim to select him above all the other candidates. It's impossible to say if he will do well in his job at this stage but to judge him without a day in the job is madness. He's Tony's new pet puppy, I think we all know that. Really beginning to think these in office have a complextion or are complete power/control freaks, they won't hire anybody proven/from a good position with a strong opinion. Managerial appointments since Pulis suggest it also. Millwall fans really arn't bothered, some even think Rowett has sussed him out and wants his own man in. Its not something a club of this stature should be doing, ever likely we are dropping like a stone, we are so small time I agree ,and scholes record in this department is awful. The bloke appointed the former leek town goalie as our head of recruitment ... while Leeds in comparison went for Victor orta, former head of recruitment at Sevilla ,zenit st Petersburg and Middlesbrough. That is a huge difference in experience . But at least I know his name ...mark Cartwright He then got in a bloke from Brighton ( don't know why ? Perhaps because NJ was ex Luton and ex ex Brighton ?) ,Who I have never heard of . literally don't know his first name or last , no idea who he was and what he did. Now we have Alex someone ,a 27 year old rookie from Millwall , who did a course at a polytechnic . It looks from the outside so amateur . That said , I totally agree with every sentiment , that we need this lad to come good .So good luck to him.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2020 4:48:57 GMT
So the club saw fit to release to the press his third rate degree from a Polytechnic but nothing else? Not "He impressed with his knowledge of this" "He has a track record of unearthing talent" "He had an excellent knowledge of the types of players we want to sign" You don't have to read very carefully between the lines to see that there was nothing else to release. "Third rate degree from a Polytechnic" ? As I'm sure you know Polytechnics haven't existed for years, certainly well before a 27-year could do a degree. That sounds like a piece of educational snobbery to me. Who says his degree is "third rate" ? Do you mean his grade ( do you know that ?) or the degree itself ? But, as I'm sure you will also have read, the point of the Club's reference to his degree in their release was that MON did the same degree which is an interesting snippet, not to claim that was the main reason why he got the job. All we know is that he's done the same or a very similar job at Millwall for 3 years and that at the end of the selection process the Club decided he would be a better appointment than any of the other 79 applicants. I'm not saying the Club have made the best choice from the 80. I've absolutely no basis on which to make a judgment on that, but I would respectfully suggest that neither have you. He went to Manchester metropolitan university , which in the 70s and 80s was known as Manchester poly .In the 1990s they changed the name from Manchester Polytechnic to Manchester metropolitan university
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Post by Gods on Aug 23, 2020 7:03:46 GMT
"Third rate degree from a Polytechnic" ? As I'm sure you know Polytechnics haven't existed for years, certainly well before a 27-year could do a degree. That sounds like a piece of educational snobbery to me. Who says his degree is "third rate" ? Do you mean his grade ( do you know that ?) or the degree itself ? But, as I'm sure you will also have read, the point of the Club's reference to his degree in their release was that MON did the same degree which is an interesting snippet, not to claim that was the main reason why he got the job. All we know is that he's done the same or a very similar job at Millwall for 3 years and that at the end of the selection process the Club decided he would be a better appointment than any of the other 79 applicants. I'm not saying the Club have made the best choice from the 80. I've absolutely no basis on which to make a judgment on that, but I would respectfully suggest that neither have you. He went to Manchester metropolitan university , which in the 70s and 80s was known as Manchester poly .In the 1990s they changed the name from Manchester Polytechnic to Manchester metropolitan university In 1992 all Polytechnics were re-branded as Universities and at the same time their sub-degree BTEC qualifications spun off to Colleges of Further Education. Cynics might say it was a fast track route to Govt targets of having 50% of youngsters go to University. And I recall Stephen Fry joking that 'anywhere with a playground larger than half a hectare can now call it's a University' However it is fair to say several of them have positively thrived and now sit above the traditional universities in the league tables. Most kids today really don't care about this former distinction if they know about it at all.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Aug 23, 2020 7:26:08 GMT
"Third rate degree from a Polytechnic" ? As I'm sure you know Polytechnics haven't existed for years, certainly well before a 27-year could do a degree. That sounds like a piece of educational snobbery to me. Who says his degree is "third rate" ? Do you mean his grade ( do you know that ?) or the degree itself ? But, as I'm sure you will also have read, the point of the Club's reference to his degree in their release was that MON did the same degree which is an interesting snippet, not to claim that was the main reason why he got the job. All we know is that he's done the same or a very similar job at Millwall for 3 years and that at the end of the selection process the Club decided he would be a better appointment than any of the other 79 applicants. I'm not saying the Club have made the best choice from the 80. I've absolutely no basis on which to make a judgment on that, but I would respectfully suggest that neither have you. He went to Manchester metropolitan university , which in the 70s and 80s was known as Manchester poly .In the 1990s they changed the name from Manchester Polytechnic to Manchester metropolitan university It wasn't just a change of name though was it? Any more than if/when an old style Grammar School or Secondary Modern school became a Comprehensive or an Academy? Both are very different beasts to the old style grammars and Secondary Moderns. If they weren't, the local populations would not be so divided (both for and against!!!!) if/when there is a proposal to end a grammar school's status and convert it to a comprehensive or an academy. Your implication that the many universities which started life as a Polytechnic (or a College of Technology) are somehow second-rate, does a great disservice to those of them which have excellent reputations amongst both schools and their pupils and future employers of their graduates. Of course some Universities created from Polys have been less successful than others - but then some of the traditional Universities also have their faults - and many critics. EDIT - my optician was trained at Aston University which has a national and world reputation as one of the best places to study the subject. Its Wiki entry includes the following......"Aston University is a public research university situated in the city centre of Birmingham, England. Aston began as the Birmingham Municipal Technical School in 1895, evolving into the UK's first College of Advanced Technology in 1956."
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Post by slicko on Aug 23, 2020 7:49:43 GMT
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Post by tachyon on Aug 23, 2020 7:49:50 GMT
As we all know a side's rolling expected goals differential gives an excellent indication of that teams underlying performance level. And Millwall's trendline has risen from minus 0.1 ten games into the 2017/18 season to finish at plus 0.1 at the end of 2019/20. The first number is typical of a side placed 15th in the Championship, the latter is typical of a 7th placed team. Gradual year on year improvement to a team likely to challenge for the playoffs and possibly automatic. Attachment Deleted
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2020 8:02:14 GMT
As we all know a side's rolling expected goals differential gives an excellent indication of that teams underlying performance level. And Millwall's trendline has risen from minus 0.1 ten games into the 2017/18 season to finish at plus 0.1 at the end of 2019/20. The first number is typical of a side placed 15th in the Championship, the latter is typical of a 7th placed team. Gradual year on year improvement to a team likely to challenge for the playoffs and possibly automatic. How does that correlate to a head of recruitment, if at all?
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Post by neddy on Aug 23, 2020 8:02:22 GMT
Aldo they call him! Sounds like a Houdini type.....the great Aldo lol 😂. We need a magician to sort this squad out.
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Post by questionable on Aug 23, 2020 8:02:42 GMT
The biggest appalling part for me is that Rat face said he was the “stand out applicant”, which basically means he’ll do what he’s told and fits in with the system, there is no system rat face.
Young and upcoming maybe, puppet 100%.
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Post by tachyon on Aug 23, 2020 8:08:36 GMT
As we all know a side's rolling expected goals differential gives an excellent indication of that teams underlying performance level. And Millwall's trendline has risen from minus 0.1 ten games into the 2017/18 season to finish at plus 0.1 at the end of 2019/20. The first number is typical of a side placed 15th in the Championship, the latter is typical of a 7th placed team. Gradual year on year improvement to a team likely to challenge for the playoffs and possibly automatic. How does that correlate to a head of recruitment, if at all? You tell me how it doesn't :-)
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Post by RF10 on Aug 23, 2020 8:28:27 GMT
My mind has gone. Who is this? Only TPs greatest ever signing. Micheal "The Kite" Kightly Of course. My memory is getting worse.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2020 8:31:45 GMT
I don’t know the guy and have no idea of his background other than what’s on here but good luck to him.
Age certainly shouldn’t be a blocker if he’s got the tools to do the job. We shall see.......
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Aug 23, 2020 8:36:43 GMT
"Third rate degree from a Polytechnic" ? As I'm sure you know Polytechnics haven't existed for years, certainly well before a 27-year could do a degree. That sounds like a piece of educational snobbery to me. Who says his degree is "third rate" ? Do you mean his grade ( do you know that ?) or the degree itself ? But, as I'm sure you will also have read, the point of the Club's reference to his degree in their release was that MON did the same degree which is an interesting snippet, not to claim that was the main reason why he got the job. All we know is that he's done the same or a very similar job at Millwall for 3 years and that at the end of the selection process the Club decided he would be a better appointment than any of the other 79 applicants. I'm not saying the Club have made the best choice from the 80. I've absolutely no basis on which to make a judgment on that, but I would respectfully suggest that neither have you. He went to Manchester metropolitan university , which in the 70s and 80s was known as Manchester poly .In the 1990s they changed the name from Manchester Polytechnic to Manchester metropolitan university Blimey, I hadn't realised it was quite that long ago. I said it was before he could have done a degree but didn't realise it was before he was even born. But it does of course mean that your own comment above that he did a course at a polytechnic was incorrect. It all smacks of irrelevant educational snobbery to me, and as others have said, some former polys now have very good reputations, including MMU.
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Post by heworksardtho on Aug 23, 2020 8:38:27 GMT
He’s Tony’s bitch 😎
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Post by tachyon on Aug 23, 2020 8:40:00 GMT
Skillset required for a modern head of recruitment.
Lead a team of scouts
Understand how and when to apply objective and subjective scouting methods
Build relationships to key stakeholders in the market place: agents, clubs etc.
Use technology where it makes the scouting process more effective
Translate a recruitment strategy into specific actions and weekly targets
Structure information and presenting it in a effective way
Excellent at creating structure and run processes
Outstanding people skills. The ability to build relationships is essential in this role.
Great communication skills
Open-minded towards new and sometimes unconventional ideas that can improve current practices
The guy who put his name to these requirements doesn't do 9 out of 10 either.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 23, 2020 8:43:00 GMT
Don’t want to knock the lad before he proves himself but he’s probably responsible for signing Ryan Woods from us twice ! Can’t think of anyone outstanding at millwall recently. Age doesn’t mean a thing if he’s good enough which he will have to prove quickly Experience means a lot but sometimes things change as with footballing styles and a new direction is needed to move on I just hope he is a MON man and not a scholes one. Maybe short term he will sit and learn the ropes from O’Neill Maybe he has the right attitude to learn Maybe not Only time will tell I’m afraid But one thing is for sure I don’t want him to fail wether I agree with his appointment or not. Woods was Rowett's #1 target for us when he joined and he nearly walked over it not being done quick enough apparently. So I highly doubt it but Woods is a good Championship player anyway so don't see an issue with that.
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Post by RF10 on Aug 23, 2020 8:45:00 GMT
With all due respect I don't think you have any idea why he's been selected and who has been involved in the decision making, the same of myself. The comment you have made regarding Rowett could be exactly the reason why we have appointed him as MON wants him in. its small time. Until I'm told this guy is a wiz, which his history doesn't suggest, its a lap dog appointment. Sorry but it is, the club are a joke in recruitment, we hired an ex leek town gk & solicitor and now we have hired a 27 year old statto to do a footballing mans job. It's embarrassingly amateur, but then that's the norm for scfc isnt it. Wolves hire a super agent, stoke put an ad in the job centre. I'm not having this he applied to be head of recruitment at stoke well he was allready well positioned as a rookie in his own town club. Our recruitment knowledge now consists of a manager who admitted himself he needed to get to know our players when he signed, a proven failure of a c.e.o and a 27 year old stato who happened to be a reporter who got a gig at his own town club, what could possibly go wrong. All this from a club that has taken a nosedive, its things like the above that make nosedives happen. I've got nothing more to say on this thread now, I've got my own two eyes, I trust my own judgement to know a small time set up when I see one. These lot can't say they can trust their judgement because let's face it they have been amateur for years now, decision wise. The main issue is your bashing of someone who hasn't been given any kind of chance to prove himself. If they employed as you put it TP, which is a bonkers idea as any, then they would be criticised for the lack of forward thinking and new ideas. Any Head of Recruitment will of course be responsible for exactly what his title states. If it is poor and he is responsible then he will probably face the sack. You make reference to Mendes from Wolves who is a super agent. At the age of 27 he was working in a nightclub and after a unsuccessful football career. He was also brought to the club as part of a brand new take over not a new recruitment. You are completey correct in the club have made dreadful decisions in recent past, hopefully this isn't another one. This guy will still be learning for many years to come but judge him on how he does.
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Post by RF10 on Aug 23, 2020 8:47:00 GMT
Skillset required for a modern head of recruitment. Lead a team of scouts
Understand how and when to apply objective and subjective scouting methods
Build relationships to key stakeholders in the market place: agents, clubs etc.
Use technology where it makes the scouting process more effective
Translate a recruitment strategy into specific actions and weekly targets
Structure information and presenting it in a effective way
Excellent at creating structure and run processes
Outstanding people skills. The ability to build relationships is essential in this role.
Great communication skills
Open-minded towards new and sometimes unconventional ideas that can improve current practices
The guy who put his name to these requirements doesn't do 9 out of 10 either. And you know that how?
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Post by tachyon on Aug 23, 2020 8:49:10 GMT
Skillset required for a modern head of recruitment. Lead a team of scouts
Understand how and when to apply objective and subjective scouting methods
Build relationships to key stakeholders in the market place: agents, clubs etc.
Use technology where it makes the scouting process more effective
Translate a recruitment strategy into specific actions and weekly targets
Structure information and presenting it in a effective way
Excellent at creating structure and run processes
Outstanding people skills. The ability to build relationships is essential in this role.
Great communication skills
Open-minded towards new and sometimes unconventional ideas that can improve current practices
The guy who put his name to these requirements doesn't do 9 out of 10 either. And you know that how? I know that.
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Aug 23, 2020 8:50:54 GMT
The biggest appalling part for me is that Rat face said he was the “stand out applicant”, which basically means he’ll do what he’s told and fits in with the system, there is no system rat face. Young and upcoming maybe, puppet 100%. I'm afraid that calling someone "rat face" on a public forum says far more about you than it does about him, and doesn't contribute constructively to the discussion at all. Of course, in any organisation employees have to do what they are told, but that truth is irrelevant to an assessment of whether this is a good appointment. Your knowledge of the skills of the new appointee, the competition he was up against and how his role fits in with others in the organisation, particularly the manager, is the same as mine - almost nil. As prestwich says we will just have to wait and see.
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Post by s7oke on Aug 23, 2020 8:52:11 GMT
Don’t want to knock the lad before he proves himself but he’s probably responsible for signing Ryan Woods from us twice ! Can’t think of anyone outstanding at millwall recently. Age doesn’t mean a thing if he’s good enough which he will have to prove quickly Experience means a lot but sometimes things change as with footballing styles and a new direction is needed to move on I just hope he is a MON man and not a scholes one. Maybe short term he will sit and learn the ropes from O’Neill Maybe he has the right attitude to learn Maybe not Only time will tell I’m afraid But one thing is for sure I don’t want him to fail wether I agree with his appointment or not. Woods was Rowett's #1 target for us when he joined and he nearly walked over it not being done quick enough apparently. So I highly doubt it but Woods is a good Championship player anyway so don't see an issue with that. It was A tongue in cheek comment really But he must have had a say And makes it doubly worse knowing rowett would have walked Why oh why did we sign him
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Post by s7oke on Aug 23, 2020 8:53:53 GMT
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Post by jaybee on Aug 23, 2020 8:55:30 GMT
...... and doesn't contribute constructively to the discussion at all. Come on Malcolm - you know we don't do constructive contribution on here!
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Aug 23, 2020 8:55:34 GMT
The biggest appalling part for me is that Rat face said he was the “stand out applicant”, which basically means he’ll do what he’s told and fits in with the system, there is no system rat face. Young and upcoming maybe, puppet 100%. Any chance of you posting a photo of yourself on this board those so inclined can amuse themselves by thinking up names with which to insult you? Seems fair to me.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2020 9:00:23 GMT
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Post by RF10 on Aug 23, 2020 9:06:09 GMT
But your not willing to say or as I assume you don't.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 23, 2020 9:07:08 GMT
Woods was Rowett's #1 target for us when he joined and he nearly walked over it not being done quick enough apparently. So I highly doubt it but Woods is a good Championship player anyway so don't see an issue with that. It was A tongue in cheek comment really But he must have had a say And makes it doubly worse knowing rowett would have walked Why oh why did we sign him Why? If a manager really wants a player he will get that player or walk like he threatened to here. And you'd expect the board to pick the manager over the recruitment guy. The issue I have with Woods' signing is the fee. He should be in our midfield imo.
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