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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 22, 2020 10:48:24 GMT
It really must be a shit job. You've come in when a new manager is settled. How much input has the new manager had? I'd want it to be very little because it needs to be a club appointment. But then brings the issue of the manager waiting with a knife for his back potentially (not saying he is btw just that it's something that could easily develop). And if it is a manager appointment what happens when the manager leaves? You've the Chief Exec who has probably already got in there. And a bunch of fans who are making a judgement based on his age. Poor bloke. Or it could be a great opportunity. Work for a club that isn't afraid to spend money to bring in players Work with a respected Manager who knows his stuff Transform a disastrous recruitment policy into something that will serve the club well for years The bar is low so every chance to shine Scholes is the worry though. He just has to go. It's clearly a great opprtunity but there's so many factors that will be against him. If he's got the character to get through them then fair play to him.
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Post by superjonscape on Aug 22, 2020 10:48:54 GMT
Nothing to do with wanting him to fail, i'd like to be proven wrong though. It's more to do with the fact we have been a train crash in recruitment for years, our hit rate of successful signings are the main ingredients to our shit casserole. What do we do to solve this, bring in somebody totally unproven. If we were division 4 I could understand it, fact is we are a recent former premiership club looking to get back up where tens of millions of pounds are at stake and we hire an apprentice. You'd be forgiven for thinking it's a wind up. To this guy dna is a sportswear shop DNA.... you're embarrassing yourself. You're embarrassing yourself praising tony scholes for having the foresight to appoint a 27 year old head of recruitment because the bar is low and then in the next sentence saying that Tony scholes has to go 😉
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Post by shakermaker on Aug 22, 2020 10:53:00 GMT
People are writing him off because he's young and looks like a YouTuber so they assume he'll be a vacuous social media boy who's barely out of nappies, does Tik Tok videos and knows nothing about the real world outside of his phone. Give the guy a chance. Not every young person is a phone obsessed snowflake. May be this guy has the hunger, desire and ability to do well? His age is a big positive for me. And he's been doing this exact job for the last 3 years at this exact level. twitter.com/accordingtoaldo/followingJust checking who he follows on twitter, and unsurprisingly he seems to be very much into analytics and data You'd think this is absolutely par for the course now with all football clubs in 2020 - but someone of his age will probably be very much data-driven? My worry is that with his relative inexperience, he'll be overly reliant on the data. Let's face it, any one of us can log onto WhoScored and Transfer market and pull off stats for the next best winger for whatever formation we're guessing MON will play. Granted though that Alex will have access to fat more sophisticated, detailed player analytics than those websites. But choosing the right player is also down to going down and watching a player, deciding whether he can put in a shift, whether he's reliant on other players that make him look better than the stats suggest etc. And almost as importantly, stats don't tell you about character - read Berahino, Badou, Imbula, Bauer etc. I wish we'd taken a chance on a Paul Scholes type to at least work with Alex... Someone who's played the game at the highest level and can advise on the type of tactics and gameplans that a player with supposedly good stats needs to adapt to.
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Post by fazza90 on Aug 22, 2020 10:54:11 GMT
Does someone on here with more ability and motivation than me fancy putting together a list of the signings Millwall have made while this fella has been in charge with a brief outline of how much for, where from and what if the players have been a success or not...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2020 11:08:40 GMT
His age is a big positive for me. And he's been doing this exact job for the last 3 years at this exact level. twitter.com/accordingtoaldo/followingJust checking who he follows on twitter, and unsurprisingly he seems to be very much into analytics and data You'd think this is absolutely par for the course now with all football clubs in 2020 - but someone of his age will probably be very much data-driven? My worry is that with his relative inexperience, he'll be overly reliant on the data. Let's face it, any one of us can log onto WhoScored and Transfer market and pull off stats for the next best winger for whatever formation we're guessing MON will play. Granted though that Alex will have access to fat more sophisticated, detailed player analytics than those websites. But choosing the right player is also down to going down and watching a player, deciding whether he can put in a shift, whether he's reliant on other players that make him look better than the stats suggest etc. And almost as importantly, stats don't tell you about character - read Berahino, Badou, Imbula, Bauer etc. I wish we'd taken a chance on a Paul Scholes type to at least work with Alex... Someone who's played the game at the highest level and can advise on the type of tactics and gameplans that a player with supposedly good stats needs to adapt to. This ...I don't care if the imbula signing or Bauer signing didn't work out ...these things happen . But you don't sign someone for 12 million quid on a long contract ,who is banned from playing for failing an FA drugs test .That is a total no no . And you don't sign a reserve ' squad' player with very limited first team experience , for 18 million quid on a massive long contract . Another total no no . We are talking complete reckless incompetence here . A loan till the end of the season , with an option to buy , is a different story all together . But that's not what happened We need someone professional to head up our recruitment and as others have mentioned , someone with a bit of gravitas and a deep knowledge of the game . Another opportunity missed .
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2020 11:10:45 GMT
Oatcake Logic: "Our recruitment has been piss-poor for so long yet we persist on maintaining the 'jobs for the boys' approach handing out roles to wildly unqualified people just because they're mates with someone at the club or part of the old pros network. Off the pitch we're so behind the times it's untrue - we should be looking to emulate Brentford's data-led approach and appoint a young, forward-thinking head of recruitment with a fresh approach. That's what we should be doing." ***Club appoints young, forward-thinking head of recruitment*** "WHO THE FUCK IS THIS GUY? HE'S BARELY OUT OF SHORT TROUSERS. WHY ARE WE APPOINTING SOME BLOKE WHO'S ONLY GOT A DEGREE AND DEFINITELY 100% NO OTHER EXPERIENCE AS FAR AS I'M AWARE (AND I'M VERY AWARE AND KNOW THIS FOR CERTAIN). WE SHOULD BE BRINGING BACK A KNOWN FOOTBALLING DINOSAUR WHOSE BEEN SACKED ONCE ALREADY. THAT'S DEFINITELY THE WAY FORWARD." 😂 😂 😂 Steady on. Im no education snob but... He has a degree that isnt really be a degree from a Polytehnic... and hes 27 having spent 3/4 seasons at Milwall where there is no evidence he recruited anyone noteworth... And he's just really a journalist. Im glad we haven't got a Jese announcement but for a club who's recruitment has been fucking woeful for 5 seasons it's slightly underwhelming.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 22, 2020 11:13:35 GMT
Does someone on here with more ability and motivation than me fancy putting together a list of the signings Millwall have made while this fella has been in charge with a brief outline of how much for, where from and what if the players have been a success or not... Just scroll through the link below. www.transfermarkt.co.uk/fc-millwall/transfers/verein/1028
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Post by tachyon on Aug 22, 2020 11:13:53 GMT
His age is a big positive for me. And he's been doing this exact job for the last 3 years at this exact level. twitter.com/accordingtoaldo/followingJust checking who he follows on twitter, and unsurprisingly he seems to be very much into analytics and data You'd think this is absolutely par for the course now with all football clubs in 2020 - but someone of his age will probably be very much data-driven? Yep, he should hire our own tachyon although he probably has better things to do! I think the Twitter accounts he's following already are impeccable ;-)
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Post by cousindupree on Aug 22, 2020 11:15:02 GMT
We have never been serious about having a heavyweight Head of recruitment/ Director of Football even though we recruited fat boy Carto! But surely such a role is a fundamental crucial appointment these days. You only have to look around at clubs who have got this right and flourished, Brentford have 2 DOF's one for UK and one for overseas. I must have missed the hype around Millwall's fabulous recruitment success that must have impressed the board. For a club who should have ambitions for a quick return to the Premier League this appointment smacks of a small time cheap option. But lets face it our main recruitment strategy is perusing the out of contract available list and he should be able to do that. I genuinely wish anyone well in a role with SCFC why wouldn't I? But when we are crying out for an experienced DOF with serious contacts with influence and knowledge to bring new ideas to a struggling club this is a totally underwhelming appointment. Also look at the recruitment challenge we will have if we get promoted? 'News at Den'....christ on a bike did he come up with that stunning name!!!
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Post by superjonscape on Aug 22, 2020 11:15:41 GMT
Oatcake Logic: "Our recruitment has been piss-poor for so long yet we persist on maintaining the 'jobs for the boys' approach handing out roles to wildly unqualified people just because they're mates with someone at the club or part of the old pros network. Off the pitch we're so behind the times it's untrue - we should be looking to emulate Brentford's data-led approach and appoint a young, forward-thinking head of recruitment with a fresh approach. That's what we should be doing." ***Club appoints young, forward-thinking head of recruitment*** "WHO THE FUCK IS THIS GUY? HE'S BARELY OUT OF SHORT TROUSERS. WHY ARE WE APPOINTING SOME BLOKE WHO'S ONLY GOT A DEGREE AND DEFINITELY 100% NO OTHER EXPERIENCE AS FAR AS I'M AWARE (AND I'M VERY AWARE AND KNOW THIS FOR CERTAIN). WE SHOULD BE BRINGING BACK A KNOWN FOOTBALLING DINOSAUR WHOSE BEEN SACKED ONCE ALREADY. THAT'S DEFINITELY THE WAY FORWARD." 😂 😂 😂 Steady on. Im no education snob but... He has a degree that isnt really be a degree from a Polytehnic... and hes 27 having spent 3/4 seasons at Milwall where there is no evidence he recruited anyone noteworth... And he's just really a journalist. Im glad we haven't got a Jese announcement but for a club who's recruitment has been fucking woeful for 5 seasons it's slightly underwhelming. I'm just glad we didn't go for a super agent like wolves 😂
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Post by lordb on Aug 22, 2020 11:17:22 GMT
Well, because so many on this thread have already found him guilty of being a shit appointment before he's got his foot through the door, I'll wish him well and hope he does a good job for us. But I'm surprised the club didn't go local. Young David Frith or Smudge should have been given a chance to apply. Or maybe they already have? Bunny too. He's a clever young man and would have jumped at the chance to swap his schoolroom for an office at the Bet 365. OS. Appreciate that's tongue in cheek however Smudge,Frith and Bunny would be good appointments re fan facing customer service and PR type stuff.
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Post by lordb on Aug 22, 2020 11:19:24 GMT
Good luck to the bloke, he will need it! With Scholesy guiding him what could go wrong?!?!?! And that's the issue We could have the greatest recruitment team in football it would be utterly hamstrung by Scholes negotiating ineptitude
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Post by danceswithclams on Aug 22, 2020 11:27:38 GMT
Oatcake Logic: "Our recruitment has been piss-poor for so long yet we persist on maintaining the 'jobs for the boys' approach handing out roles to wildly unqualified people just because they're mates with someone at the club or part of the old pros network. Off the pitch we're so behind the times it's untrue - we should be looking to emulate Brentford's data-led approach and appoint a young, forward-thinking head of recruitment with a fresh approach. That's what we should be doing." ***Club appoints young, forward-thinking head of recruitment*** "WHO THE FUCK IS THIS GUY? HE'S BARELY OUT OF SHORT TROUSERS. WHY ARE WE APPOINTING SOME BLOKE WHO'S ONLY GOT A DEGREE AND DEFINITELY 100% NO OTHER EXPERIENCE AS FAR AS I'M AWARE (AND I'M VERY AWARE AND KNOW THIS FOR CERTAIN). WE SHOULD BE BRINGING BACK A KNOWN FOOTBALLING DINOSAUR WHOSE BEEN SACKED ONCE ALREADY. THAT'S DEFINITELY THE WAY FORWARD." 😂 😂 😂 Steady on. Im no education snob but... He has a degree that isnt really be a degree from a Polytehnic... and hes 27 having spent 3/4 seasons at Milwall where there is no evidence he recruited anyone noteworth... And he's just really a journalist. Im glad we haven't got a Jese announcement but for a club who's recruitment has been fucking woeful for 5 seasons it's slightly underwhelming. There's no evidence of anything, but that hasn't stopped the Oatcake Kangaroo Court from sitting and deciding that this guy is already a failure. The most depressing thing on this thread however is the backwards looking mentality coming to the fore again with the usual suspects pining for Pulis. Tony Pulis is a lot of things but he's not the future for neither this nor any other football club. The game has moved on and we should too.
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Post by generationex on Aug 22, 2020 11:27:50 GMT
Time will tell but at face value this is a very odd appointment with no obvious rational basis.
That’s not like Stoke..
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Post by lordb on Aug 22, 2020 11:29:42 GMT
Time will tell but at face value this is a very odd appointment with no obvious rational basis. That’s not like Stoke.. He has at least done the job already
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Aug 22, 2020 11:35:18 GMT
Good luck to the lad I’d say also but would love to know what made him the stand out candidate? What’s his main strength etc so we could look to see it play out? He was the only one who went for it!!!
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Post by fraybentos on Aug 22, 2020 11:39:06 GMT
He’s a dab hand on Fifa and Football Manager, he’ll do great here
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Post by superjonscape on Aug 22, 2020 11:40:51 GMT
This signifies to me that scfc don't give two hoots about an immediate return to top flight football.
It's a typical scfc appointment, under qualified and underwhelming.
They have at least got one thing right though in the past 5 years, appointing MON.
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Aug 22, 2020 11:42:12 GMT
Job Description: Chief Executive's Fall Guy Human shield!😃
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 22, 2020 11:42:22 GMT
He’s a dab hand on Fifa and Football Manager, he’ll do great here Loads of clubs use the Football Manager database for scouting.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2020 11:43:45 GMT
A true story
Liverpool , forest and er west brom ! Were going for the league
Shortly after this game , the weather turned , with snow over half the country , the fixtures fell kindly for Liverpool and forest with maybe a half or two thirds of their games on .
But poor old West brom had about 4 out of 5 games cancelled
Cloughie was worried about west broms form ...
He was on the phone to everyone , pulled in all his contacts to stop west brom
West brom manager Ron Atkinson was so desperate for a game , he arranged an absolute nothing friendly against a non league outfit, miles from Birmingham but with a green pitch ,not covered in snow and ice
Sorted , thought big Ron , finally a game
Anyway , shortly after putting the phone down ,big Ron gets a call from the little non league team ( I forget there name )
' you won't believe this , I know we said we would play you , but brian cloughs been on the phone , and we have accepted an offer to play European champions notts forest on that day , he's promised us the full first team , it's the game of their live for my lads. '
Big Ron said ...I genuinely take my hat off ,that's how the very best are what they are ...they know everything
Good luck to Alex ,but I doubt we are talking about a proper football man , with every base covered ( sorry )
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Post by fraybentos on Aug 22, 2020 11:44:08 GMT
He’s a dab hand on Fifa and Football Manager, he’ll do great here Loads of clubs use the Football Manager database for scouting. Let’s hope he uses the search function for “Pace”
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 22, 2020 11:48:26 GMT
Loads of clubs use the Football Manager database for scouting. Let’s hope he uses the search function for “Pace” Pace <15 Acceleration <15 *search* *change to see attacking stats and click crossing to bring best to top* Too expensive Too expensive Too expensive FUCK
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Post by fraybentos on Aug 22, 2020 11:49:48 GMT
Let’s hope he uses the search function for “Pace” Pace <15 Acceleration <15 *search* *change to see attacking stats and click crossing to bring best to top* Too expensive Too expensive Too expensive FUCK Brilliant
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Aug 22, 2020 11:57:31 GMT
Just for people mentioning Brentford, they own the stats company they use and have a fully fledged network and hierarchy. It wouldn’t be as simple as simply bringing in their team as they wouldn’t have access to the same tools or data.
Robert Rowan who tragically passed away 2 years ago and helped Brentford establish their model was only in his 20s, so I don’t think age in itself is a problem at all.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2020 12:02:25 GMT
He’s a dab hand on Fifa and Football Manager, he’ll do great here Loads of clubs use the Football Manager database for scouting. The makers of the original game are Everton fans, two brothers from Shropshire. The current Studio director is a Watford fan. The first acknowledged club to use the database was Everton and David Moyes. It was rumoured that the FM database was how they came across Fellaini.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2020 12:03:10 GMT
Teflon Tony's first choice
But apparently his mum grounded him , when his sister's peppa pig disappeared
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2020 12:09:38 GMT
You can absolutely gaurantee with TS at the helm ,we won't be going down the derby county route ,and getting in someone like Frank lampard. Or going down the Glasgow rangers route and getting in someone like Steven Gerrard.
But oh my , I am lost for words.
Just a hunch , but I reckon scholes hated it , when we had the likes of tony pulis , Gerry Francis and Peter Reid here
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2020 12:12:22 GMT
Steady on. Im no education snob but... He has a degree that isnt really be a degree from a Polytehnic... and hes 27 having spent 3/4 seasons at Milwall where there is no evidence he recruited anyone noteworth... And he's just really a journalist. Im glad we haven't got a Jese announcement but for a club who's recruitment has been fucking woeful for 5 seasons it's slightly underwhelming. There's no evidence of anything, but that hasn't stopped the Oatcake Kangaroo Court from sitting and deciding that this guy is already a failure. The most depressing thing on this thread however is the backwards looking mentality coming to the fore again with the usual suspects pining for Pulis. Tony Pulis is a lot of things but he's not the future for neither this nor any other football club. The game has moved on and we should too. It has moved on , which is why derby county ,just down the road have bought in the expertise of Frank lampard and Wayne Rooney recently . Quick question ? Have you ( and up and coming young players) actually heard of Frank lampard ? And Wayne Rooney?
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Post by blackpoolred on Aug 22, 2020 12:17:27 GMT
Sounds like an absolute nobody who is just happy to get the opportunity and will do as he is told - ring any bells? Message to him though: Please replace the entire defence with youth, desire, height, a bit of pace, and maybe some viable backup and competition for places would be nice also - basically the opposite to the catastrophic choices(or lack of) we have at the moment in defence. Don't know why I bother - like he will have a say in recruitment anyway
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